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Offline Paul_Gadd

Re: What will drive the New Amiga?
« Reply #30 on: March 22, 2004, 05:01:22 PM »
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How do we move beyond the existing community?


Advertise outside of the market, show the product A1/Pegasos at big venues instead of places aimed at Amiga users.

A place like Bowlers would be a good start, shove the product in the middle of that place and it will get major attention (attracts over 3000 customers each week and that is in one day  :-) )
 

Offline MarkTime

Re: What will drive the New Amiga?
« Reply #31 on: March 22, 2004, 05:42:10 PM »
edit...going to ignore the troll bait, and will do a different response.
 

Offline MarkTime

Re: What will drive the New Amiga?
« Reply #32 on: March 22, 2004, 05:48:44 PM »
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If we're going to survive, at least one of the companies involved has to find a way to motivate sales outside the existing (dwindling)


Actually I addressed your point multiple times, and you've chosen not to understand it.

Its the above assumption that is entirely unrealistic.  We cannot use this community as a springboard to 'outside' success...this community is not large enough for that.

This community has to grow much larger, before that is a realistic option.  And the companies, genesi and amiga, inc. let this community dwindle while concentrating almost entirely on that outside community you speak of.

that is the same strategy that they have been trying with FAILURE for the past several years.

everyone keeps looking at the fact that the sales are mainly in this community and looking at that as the PROBLEM.

the sales are the good thing.  The lack of sales are the problem.

Realistically speaking, they need to get their head out of the clouds and see where sales really come from, and then improve on that.

the political analogy may be hard to understand, but its still apropos...sometimes people get their head around a concept and they can never pull their heads out of the clouds.

What you propsed Wayne...is exactly the same thing that has been proposed over and over again, with nothing new added, for the past 5 years.
 

Offline mikeymike

Re: What will drive the New Amiga?
« Reply #33 on: March 22, 2004, 05:56:10 PM »
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Paul_Gadd wrote:
Nothing whatsoever, offers nothing at all to a normal everyday computer user.
Amiga TAX on hardware
Lack of software
Crooked companies
Imo nothing will change at all.


Broken record strikes again.

Offline bhoggett

Re: What will drive the New Amiga?
« Reply #34 on: March 22, 2004, 06:10:02 PM »
@Wayne

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How do we move beyond the existing community? The biggest issue is the creation of software which brings people to the platform. Right now there is no incentive for any PC user to buy one.

The short answer is: "I don't know". I don't even know if there is an answer any more.

A few years ago I would have said "Concentrate on one relatively innovative thing and do it well". That's why I was quite taken by the idea of dropping all hardware interests (since there are thousands of specialist hardware manufacturers out there that are going to handle hardware innovation much better) and concentrating on creating a light, efficient and above all hardware agnostic OS. Not just write once run everywhere, but compile once and run everywhere. That failed because the underlying technology wasn't geared up to it, and the priorities of the developers of that technology were focused elsewhere. Next step would have been to encourage developers with free developer information and masses of support. The SDKs were woefully inept and sold at a ridiculous price (the excuse being "well, Microsoft are doing it..."). The "support" required a morass of NDAs and SDAs and the sort of secrecy that would put off any serious developer straight away. Not the way to do things at all.

The Pegasos/MorphOS situation is slighly different, but no less dispiriting. To my mind there is no direction, no real focus to grasp on to and build on. The technolgy isn't really innovative, nor are the concepts, and once you strip away the enthusiasm and self-congratulations  for having actually released something there is little that stands out.

If the question is: "how do we make the great unwashed take note of the AmigaOne/Pegasos and make them buy it?" my answer would be "you don't". These products are simply not good enough. Neither are AmigaOS4 or MorphOS.

To break into the mainstream, you'd need a complete fresh start and total rethink from scratch. I don't think that's remotely likely to happen, so I don't think the mainstream is attainable no matter what is done with current resources and products.
Bill Hoggett
 

Offline mikeymike

Re: What will drive the New Amiga?
« Reply #35 on: March 22, 2004, 06:23:11 PM »
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How do we move beyond the existing community?


IMO, get at least Mozilla and OpenOffice ported to AmigaOS/compatibles.  That would get the attention of Slashdot users as well as techie-journos.  It would certainly make Amiga/compatible platforms a far more realistic choice for newcomers.  An increased userbase will coax developers into taking a serious look.

It's not going to be something that happens overnight.  I reckon the process will take at least a few years before noteworthy amounts of newcomers become Amiga/compatible users (and maybe not as their primary platform, but having the hardware, even if they dualboot with Linux, is a start).

Offline System

Re: What will drive the New Amiga?
« Reply #36 on: March 22, 2004, 06:29:43 PM »
For the record, I wasn't trying to be abrasive, or even troll.  I just wasn't following the continual, very wide political analogy tangent.

This platform is not going to survive selling to inside this community.  Eventually even this small niche will become saturated, and you'd have no one left to sell to.

If you're trying to suggest that there's no way to get outside this community, we might as well quit now.  :-)
 

Offline amigamad

Re: Nitpick alert
« Reply #37 on: March 22, 2004, 06:40:33 PM »
Well i decided to buy my ppc card and build my a1200 back in 1996/97 and when gateway took over amiga things started to look better comanys started to release a bit more software and the revival was what most of us were expecting now we have some two hardware systems and operating systems to continue from the classic amiga but there has not been any good comercial software for ages and most amiga and pegasos users are the ones that have owned amiga,s in the past most people can build or buy a pc cheaply and use a free os with free software like linux ,so buying expensive hardware and an os which does not have the latest games or aplications puts off pc owners at least the mac had a nice case as standard shame about the minimal software for it but the mac market is still alot bigger than the amiga after so many owners and direction changes even with the right software we will never gain the status we once had  at school the amiga was the computer to have .amd now Out of everyone i know im the only person that likes and still uses and has an amiga most people have moved on after the mainstream games stopped .We are the ones keeping the spirit of the machine alive .a massive comeback would never happen now its been to long, but we can hope im staying on this ship until it sinks.
I once had an amigaone xe but sold it .

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Offline amigamad

Re: What will drive the New Amiga?
« Reply #38 on: March 22, 2004, 06:56:24 PM »
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IMO, get at least Mozilla and OpenOffice ported to AmigaOS/compatibles. That would get the attention of Slashdot users as well as techie-journos


Your right there i downloaded the latest Mozilla for windows and i must say its the best browser i have use not a single crash and not bloated i love how easy it is to get difrent plugins and features to make it work how you want i have mouse gestures and loads of difrent search engine an rss news feed reeder ,dictionary ,session saver and  reload every plugin this browser is easy and much more configarable than any i have used .Openoffice is also great very powerfull and the gimp would also be a nice peice  of software to have.


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This platform is not going to survive selling to inside this community. Eventually even this small niche will become saturated, and you'd have no one left to sell to.


Good point .
I once had an amigaone xe but sold it .

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Offline Cass

Re: What will drive the New Amiga?
« Reply #39 on: March 22, 2004, 07:08:08 PM »
AmigaOSes (AOS,MOS,AROS) should be hardware independent*, if we want to survive: The hardware is obsolate after a few time, but the software can be upgrated relatively with ease.
The point that Linux is h/w independent isn't valid: the user base has x86 on its majority, and that is the driving force (cheap hardware).

We had to stuck with old hardware (over 10 years) due to custom h/w and h/w-dependant OS. I don't believe that you planing to have the today's solution (A1 or Peg) for the next 10 years (just to write off the expenses!!!).

With a compatibility through the 3 solutions, the s/w development would be easy to port on a large scale with no time delays.


*Before someone says "yes, but the above OSes are designed independently from the platform", noone can run them if he hasn't an A1, a Pegasos, or a PC, respectively...
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Offline Coder

Re: What will drive the New Amiga?
« Reply #40 on: March 22, 2004, 07:41:46 PM »
Hi,

It's being said a lot before but not having a decent browser is a serious prob. I don't see that a decent browser would appear this year. Also what you see is a lot of talk. There is so much talk going on but just little gets done. And let's have OS4 out first. :-)

Coder
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Offline seer

Re: What will drive the New Amiga?
« Reply #41 on: March 22, 2004, 07:55:02 PM »
Ooh.. Some nice big reading :-) Have to tag this to read later tomorow..
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Everything you say will be misquoted and used against you.
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Offline Speelgoedmannetje

Re: Nitpick alert
« Reply #42 on: March 22, 2004, 08:12:08 PM »
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Poster: Wayne  Posted: 2004/3/22 17:04:32
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Erm, are you sure about that?

No. It was actually quite a debate, but we couldn't find anything that could confirm it at the time it was written. If you read the entire article and came away with that as your only question, we need to get you away from the microscope more often :)

I think it was hey nay no 16bit (~65000) colours
4096 colours at max the A500 could come up with, (in HAM6) That is using the complete Amiga500 (ocs/ecs) colour palette. You need h/w to come up with more colours.

But back on topic. GAMES are the magical word for a revival of Amiga. Everyone who I am talking about know about Commodore and Amiga. And everyone says it's a game computer. EVERYONE! And that's a better start to make a games machine than you can dream of, considering MS struggle to market the Xbox as a gameconsole.
I also bet that there are more ppl at an adult age (= money earning/owning age) who have heard of Commodore but never heard of Xbox.
And with that, Amiga needs games with their own (unique, yet recognisable) face, alike Nintendo with their Gamecube.
And the canary said: \'chirp\'
 

Offline dammy

Re: No AROS mentioned?
« Reply #43 on: March 22, 2004, 08:52:54 PM »
Poster: Wayne  Posted: 2004/3/22 9:30:58

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Didn't miss it at all. AROS is not a company


Neither is Linux. :)

Dammy
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Offline joemango

Re: Nitpick alert
« Reply #44 on: March 22, 2004, 09:08:12 PM »
So what I haven't seen here is a suggestion to make Amiga into something that the average desktop computer isn't.

Portable.  And useful.

I'm talking about a sub-$500 handheld with wifi and possibly GPRS that runs amiga OS4 on a barebones (400 Mhz?) handheld PowerPC platform, let's say 640x480 video, 4GB microdrive, touchscreen, firewire, usb2, CF, maybe 128 MB ram.  This level of hardware would be fairly easy to implement for cheap.   No need to muck around with ARM processors, IBM and MOT have scaled the PPC down to an embedded form factor so your OS3/4 codebase will work just fine.  Make it a multi-media computer in your hand.  You'll have assloads of older games to exploit for content, plus some great lo-res graphics and fx utilities.  

Why not?  People go for Palm OS not because it is compatible, but because it works well, is easy to use and has the features they need in one package.

With the right feature set and marketing, a device like this could take off, if only marketed to the MP3/Gameboy/early adopter markets.  There's no WAY an Amiga would ever take over the business PDA market, so why try?  I for one would love to have a handheld computer that could record hi-fidelity audio or video and play games and chat over wifi.  It could be the new Walkman.

Or maybe not.
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