Ease off bashing AmigaONE X1000?

[gertsy]

I've an idea.  If Bill M (He who shall not be named) is not dead, maybe we can get him to implement Olaf's business strategy to produce hardware to compete against the X1K and drive the price down resulting in a price war amongst the 200-2000 or so potential buyers. Market Frenzy!!!

IMO Trevor is a saint who believes in the Amiga and although I now don't have an intention of buying an X1K at least he's off his spotty behind doing something about the Amiga world rather than postulating precipitously about nothing while picking both blackheads and nose hairs complaining about reality. Get over it. move on!  
I'm ranting, sorry need a good nights sleep.

+1 Ease of anyone actually producing something new in the Amiga space.

The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge

[gertsy]

That sounds great ... until you start trying to think of a way to make it happen and at least break even. Go on, try to come up with a realistic plan. Once you discover how expensive it is to develop and produce one of these boards, and how hard (and expensive) driver development is, I think that you'll give up. The length of time that it took to get onboard audio supported (both A1-X1000 and Sam460ex) should give you a hint as to how hard and time consuming driver developmennt is. Also, bear in mind that people won't be satisfied with Efika grade hardware even if it's affordable.
Hans

+1. Trevor did something no other individual has done in a decade. Soz Acube. And through AON produced a complete product distributed through AmigaKit. Sure it's nigh on $3K, not cheap, but much of the community sees it as expensive when compared to mass produced intel MBs with a multi million market base. Providing a marketable product under a sustainable business plan allows you to invest further if successful. It also reduces risk of falling on your face with realistic sales modelling.  
How much was the original Amiga when it came out in 1985?; $1,300 with 256k and without monitor. I think the cost is comparative all things considered (including the distribution model).

[gertsy]

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Anyway, why don't you prove me wrong then. Go and "toss together" a PowerPC motherboard with PCIe & PCI slots, make sure that every bit of hardware on the board has AmigaOS 4.x drivers before putting it on the market, and sell it for a reasonable price.

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A bit of tossing going on here.  But agree. If there was money to be made it would be happening. There isn't, so it's not. Simple as that.  Those who are in it do it for more than money but also do it sustainably.

It would be great if you could successfully build a hardware/OS product by community/committee but you can't.

[gertsy]

...You really don't get it. My point is that innovation does not have to come with a huge price tag. Jens could have gone for a 040, 060 or PPC card instead of the 020/030 but the cost would have priced most users out.

 Sorry I don't get your last point.  I'm thinking the sentence is self contradictory.

As to the Duce.  Gotta love the Duce. Refreshing.
The point there is there's a cheaper option but you want the new option on your terms.  This is a well known psychological trait of us humans called product envy.  We don't need a Ferrari but we want one because someone else has one.  That's not fair, I can't afford it. It has to be someone elses fault. So then it has to be that it's either the owner of the Ferrari did something wrong, or Ferrari themselves.

[gertsy]

... it copies exactly what existed before, so isn`t that much of a innovation as replication in modern standards for fair price.

That's were my head was and why I didn't get Megamig's point. I'm not saying its not a fantastic effort and product. I luv Jen's products and respect him immensely.

And Jack just copied Henry; "Cars for the people". Jack was good a copying acquiring and mass production.

[gertsy]

...Expansion boards for Amiga 2000 were not that common and in practice it was on par with Amiga 500....

Wha?

[gertsy]

Amiga 4000 was ...... and it was slighly less
expensive than 486 PC with the same speed with monitor hd sound card
and everything else ...
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Not saying the statement's not true but comparing a plain hamburger from one shop against a hamburger with the lot from another shop and saying their price is the same is another "wha?".

[gertsy]

You're absolutely right and I should have posted in another thread ...
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Amiga 4000 was most advanced thing on the general consumer market for it's price tag when it came out ...
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I will stay with post like this one out of this thread from now ...

Why? its just a forum thread. Robust conversation is what it's all about.  We don't have to all agree.  How boring would that be.

Have your say Blizz1220 and if people like me don't agree just say "meh". Or "I disagree."

My pet hate is negative comments about people who are doers and creators. And in the absence of consistency I try to be consistent in defending them.  

I'm also defensive of people selling something for a price they consider marketable. Free commerce will sort it out in the end.  If it's too expensive no one will buy it. That's the real meaning of too expensive from a commercial perspective.  Not the one popularly used as a cover for "I can't afford it" or "I can't justify paying that much"

[Rocking up to Italian Walmart in a Ferrari, arrh made me laugh]

[gertsy]

I agree. I believe that  pricing is everything.  If they made a keyboard all in one  case little bit bigger than the a500, used arm technology, mouse  and it was somewhat upgradeable. The price was 500.00.  Amiga Os worked perfect with it. A lot of people would jump on the wagon.

So pricing isn't everything then? As you've just qualified Amiga OS has to work perfectly as well.  Drivers, hardware and performance are all covered by that.
Low price and perfection.