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Re: Dead at 42
« Reply #59 from previous page: April 23, 2004, 09:53:09 PM »
Well, humans have to fit socially in society (and vice versa).
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Re: Dead at 42
« Reply #60 on: April 23, 2004, 10:01:04 PM »
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Well, humans have to fit socially in society (and vice versa).


But this is a totally diffent topic :-)

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Re: Dead at 42
« Reply #61 on: April 23, 2004, 11:29:02 PM »
How do you mean?
What I say is that the 'artificial' society should be seen as a part of human evolution. And this society is evolving too.
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Re: Dead at 42
« Reply #62 on: April 23, 2004, 11:32:54 PM »
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How do you mean?
What I say is that the 'artificial' society should be seen as a part of human evolution. And this society is evolving too.


No it's not. As I said before you are applying the Evolutionary model to a social system. Yes, the Evolution Model can be fitted to most systems. But we are not disscussing Social systems, we are talking about the evolution of a species.

Just because one society adopts one policy, it does not change the human species. The members of that society do not become a separate species.


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Re: Dead at 42
« Reply #63 on: April 24, 2004, 12:21:28 AM »
Well, it must be I think. Society has an incredible influence on how people live and eat and so.

For instance, the black death was a 'cultural disease'. And it had a great influence on culture either, because according to some historians and scientists, this event has led to enlightment.
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« Reply #64 on: April 24, 2004, 12:37:40 AM »
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For instance, the black death was a 'cultural disease'. And it had a great influence on culture either, because according to some historians and scientists, this event has led to enlightment.


No it didn't. Just a big bunch of people died and they went back to throwing crap out of windows for the next 200 years. What the plague did in a cultural sense was nothing.

What it did in an evolutionary sense is to prune off all the members of our species with weaker immune systems.
 

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Re: Dead at 42
« Reply #65 on: April 25, 2004, 09:38:15 PM »
1/3 of the population from western Europe to India died of the plague. That has some impact on both economy as well as lifestyle.
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« Reply #66 on: April 25, 2004, 10:10:21 PM »
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1/3 of the population from western Europe to India died of the plague. That has some impact on both economy as well as lifestyle.


Anything that kills or maims most of your workforce will have social effects. But they were not lasting. As soon as the socialogical effects due to loss of population wore off, India went back to its evil, inhuman caste system (which it still has today) and Europe went back to Christian dogma and living in its own filth.

And what you have to realise is, that, ultimately, lifestyle and society has little to positive impact on evolution. This isn't evolving towards the rubbish scifi spouts like "godhood" or "perfection". There is currently only one driving force in evolution still available to man, and that's sexual attractiveness. And that doesn't evolve towards superiority or perfection, ask any peacock.

There was only one civilisation that had its polices rooted in evolution, and that was the Third Reich. And we never want to go back there, regardless if we all do devolve into dumb, timid, inbred couch potatoes that can't survive without their technology. The price of perfection is too high.
 

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Re: Dead at 42
« Reply #67 on: April 26, 2004, 12:21:13 PM »
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The price of perfection is too high.

I am perfect as I am. So are you.
If we were going to extinct, we wouldn't be perfect (anymore)
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Re: Dead at 42
« Reply #68 on: April 26, 2004, 01:51:03 PM »
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There is currently only one driving force in evolution still available to man, and that's sexual attractiveness.


Even that is undermined by our use of Make Up/clothes and cosmetic surgery. and peoplecan learn how to appear more attactive in the way they behave and the way they talk.

It's time to fact facts, Humans are stuck in an evolutionary rut :-(

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Re: Dead at 42
« Reply #69 on: April 30, 2004, 01:15:01 PM »
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sorry for the lateness of my reply punkie... but here it is :-)

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