Dead at 42

[Mike_Amiga]

Last I read, vegatarians are likely to live up to 10 years longer than us meat eaters.

Also on a documentary I saw recently scientists found links from the virus that causes genital warts to cancer. Not that I'm suggesting that is the case here, just  one of many possibilities.

[that_punk_guy]

What I'd like to know is, why isn't Cliff Richard dead yet?

I mean, he's old and incredibly lame. Nice people are dying all the time and that freak gets to live, god damn it! :-x

(Edit: I was supposed to be refraining from posting here to concentrate my energies on other, neglected aspects of my life, but I seem to drift back...)

[KennyR]

tpg wrote:
Utter bollocks... :-(

Google seems to think so too. But at the same time I can't help thinking that we're better off just eating the things we're evolved to eat, since our bodies are made to deal with it. Anyway, that's best left for another thread.

[Speelgoedmannetje]

KennyR wrote:
we're better off just eating the things we're evolved to eat

As if our evolution is one single 'thing' :roll:

[KennyR]

As if our evolution is one single 'thing'

You should feel your teeth. I have incisors and canines, made for cutting and tearing nothing but meat. I can only digest fats, proteins and starches - not cellulose. I'm a meat eater. So are you. Question is, when things adapted to eat meat (at least some of the time) stop eating meat, what happens?

Caron Keating was a strict vegan, she always had been. She didn't even drink milk, instead using soya milk. By the vegan ideas she should have been totally healthy and immune to cancer. But she died young. Now, is that a statistical blip, or is there something deeper to it?

[Speelgoedmannetje]

As I said before, according to me your view on evolution is far too simplistic.
Our teeth are build for eating everything, but not to grasp grass or wounding prey.
Our diet vary. An Inuit has defenately a different diet than an amazon indian. And Europe is a true mixture of ppl.

[KennyR]

As I said before, according to me your view on evolution is far too simplistic.
Our teeth are build for eating everything, but not to grasp grass or wounding prey.
Our diet vary. An Inuit has defenately a different diet than an amazon indian. And Europe is a true mixture of ppl.

And what is the one thing common to all races of human beings, no matter what they do or where they live? Eating meat.

[Speelgoedmannetje]

But not more than a century ago, meat was luxury here in Europe.

[KennyR]

And ten millenia before that, any plant with enough nutrition to keep you alive was a luxury.

[Speelgoedmannetje]

And you know that evolution can be very fast. One good famine and only those who are vegans survive, for instance.

[KennyR]

Vegans would never survive any famine, that's just sillyness. Without mass farming they wouldn't survive now. Only the people who could eat anything would survive.

Edit: Although, starvation brings out the meateater in everyone so it's a moot point. Vegan or not, rat would look pretty tasty in a famine.

[Speelgoedmannetje]

You probably have never heard about scurvy

[KennyR]

We can't make vitamin C because we started out as fruiteaters and we never had to. So we still have to eat fruit. Evolution proves my point again.

[Speelgoedmannetje]

fruit??! Vegetables you mean, fruit's really really a luxury (thus unavailable) through the centuries...

[KennyR]

No, fruit. The quantity of vitamin C in most vegetables is negligible, and reduces to zero if cooked. You must eat fresh fruit to get vitamin C.

Edit: Although its added to lots of things these days, so we don't notice.

BTW: Did you know you can get a lot of these vitamins by eating animal liver?

[bloodline]

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
fruit??! Vegetables you mean, fruit's really really a luxury (thus unavailable) through the centuries...

No, Kenny is right. Our far ancestors would have eaten mostly fruit, but the Human being is actually a scavinger. Like all scavingers it it an omnivore.

In adition to the vitamins we can't make (and must obtain from fruit), there are several amino acids that we cannot produce and can obtian only from meat (or eggs).

If you want to stay heathly, then have a balanced diet. Lots of green vegetables (and carrots), fruits and meats (Fish is exceptional).

Kenny is also right that a small portion of liver will provide most of the vitamins, and all of the minerals and amino acids a human needs for a month!

Lucky for vegetarians, most of them ingest plenty of Animal/insect body parts for them to survive quite healthily.