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Hum,the race is about to begins...
Sessions
Saturday 06 Mar 2004
10:00 - 10:45 Practice 1
11:15 - 12:00 Practice 2
14:00 - 16:00 Qualifying
Sunday 07 Mar 2004
14:00 Race
Australia 7 March. Malaysia 21 March. Bahrain 4 April. San Marino 25 April.
Spain 9 May. Monaco 23 May. Europe 30 May. Canada 13 June. United States 20
June. ...
Is everybody ready?
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I'm ready :-)
Got a new jar of Rocket Fuel to keep me awake for this weekend :-D
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More of a fishing / snooker fan myself............
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I can't wait! This promises to be a cracking season - very close and lots of drivers keen to impress with contracts up at the end of the season. Also, Ferrari don't have much further to go in terms of development with their car and may struggle as the season progresses (will be very fast at start, though, as shown by 1st practice times). Williams look very good, as do McLaren and Renault are improving fast.
I think this might be David Coulthard's season. It has to be! Ferrari possibly on the wane, his last chance and, therefore, everything to play for. I hoping for him to win championship or, failing that, for Renault to reach the top and for Ferrari to start slipping.
Anyway, can't wait. Roll on Sunday!
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I'm not too sure about DC this year again. I want him to win, but I can't see it happening - he's still too nice :-(
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I can see JP Montoya winning the championship this year... :-)
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@sumner7
Yea he has a slim chance...
Bad luck ,and too cool running conditions , at the australian i think...
i noticed that bridge-stone has improved their tyres:
But it`ll be interesting to see how the Ferrari's shape up at malaysia. the Michelin's should still be very strong there.
(with the Renault cars as well...)
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Leute, Leute.........
We're living in an ENERGY CRISIS
After a few decennia, there's no oil left
Spilling it for fun isn't making it any better
(bah, humbug, Verstappen won't win anyway)
;-)
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
(bah, humbug, Verstappen won't win anyway)
;-)
True, but now that Renault have upped their game, it looks like there will be more competition for the Ferarri team.
Ok, so they blew everyone away today, but let's see what happens when Bridgestone has a bad day :-)
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irrelevant babble
:-)
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malaysia !
At a decent 6:30 am on 21 st (for us in UK)...
Well done to Webber! should be good to see also the Alonso`s renault slice up the grid (he`s starting from the back, this time)...
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Shame about Webber's bad start. Mind you, it was fantastic watching him weave his way all the way back up the grid again.
Just a pity he had more bad luck :-(
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HUMMMMMM,
just a `(http://www.amiga.org/uploads/smil407412f494f0b.gif)` to say Barrichello storms to pole at the Indy...
(for those in the LA bay area, you just have enought time to catch the plane to the Indianapolis Motor Speedway , Indiana
(4790 West 16th Street)
Should be a good race...
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Wouldn't it be nice to see someone other than Michael Schumacher win today?
Apologies to any Schuey fans out there, but he manages to make almost everyone else look like rank amateurs...
I'd love to see Button or Sato get a win today, but would settle for Reubens. It's not like the Ferrari trophy cabinet is looking bare lately though isn't it?
BTW, what does everyone think of the proposed new rules? For those who don't know the plan is an engine size reduction to 2.4 litres and 8 cylinders (how I miss the sound of Ferrari V12s!), manual gearboxes and greater opportinuty to share components between teams.
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Nice to see a girl interested in F1.
I'll stick my neck out and say M.Schumacher WONT win at Indy today.
BMW ( I hate them) Williams seem to have the legs on everything on top end speed so I predict a Montoya win.
Followed by DC. Third spot filled by possibly Ralph.
2.4 litre ? Ugh I hope not. leave the engines alone but do away with the electronic aids.
NO pit communications. ( Except for the old lap boards)
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Hum,
>> a girl interested in F1.
Yea, even though i can`t drive..hehe...
And , yea, it would be nice to see someone else win ;) (but i quite like Schumacher) The honda (?) engine is supposed to be the fastest there...And Reubens looked really good yesterday.
Ralph and montoya are moving as well...
And you can`t discount Button on that weird track...
;)
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Blobrana, is there anything you don't know?!
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Outrageous they left it so long to Black Flag Montoya.
Lets hope the McLarens have a bit more peZaZZ with their new car come the French Grand Prix.
Man of the match for me .....
Takuma Sato
Why ... He had the balls to do what Barrichello was afraid to do... Take the race to them !!
C'mon Rubens.... If you don't show you wanna be No.1 in that team .... You will Always be No.2
( Seems your happy to be that)
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Agreed!
Also outrageous that the marshals and ambulance didn`t react faster when Ralph ended up in the wall...
And what were the tactics of Bar?
Man of the match for me as well.....
Sato
@Robert17
:-)
(sry, can`t help it)
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Great race (Ralf worries aside). Once again, an element of luck to a MS win! Shame about Alonso - a fantastic start even for a Renault!
Good drive from Sato - he showed a lot more maturity than ever before. He seems like a really nice guy and I like him but just think he is a bit rude on track. He has clearly got the speed and, in a couple of years, will calm down and be a regular championship contender (unlike his teammate who shall shortly start to wither away to nothing).
I think with Ralf's accident, it was because of position being so dangerous with cars at high speed. Therefore, had to wait for SC to be deployed, whole field to pass and then follow behind round the lap. Medical car at front of pit, I think. Also, there have been times in the past when marshalls have tried to hurry the driver out of the car before medical advice has been given. Until things settled down Ralf, in his car, was in the safest place.
Schuey's wins and championship table belie the exciting season this has been so far. More of the same please! :-)
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Abou27 wrote:
I think with Ralf's accident, it was because of position being so dangerous with cars at high speed. Therefore, had to wait for SC to be deployed, whole field to pass and then follow behind round the lap. Medical car at front of pit, I think. Also, there have been times in the past when marshalls have tried to hurry the driver out of the car before medical advice has been given. Until things settled down Ralf, in his car, was in the safest place.
But as soon as the safety car comes out (or is announced to be coming out) all cars are to reduce speed and not over take. It would've been very possible to get the ambulance on track during this time with the minimum of fuss.
With the way the crash was, the ambulance would've been able to drive towards Ralf (backwards round the track) and it would've worked out fine. The racers would be over on the other side of the track to get past Ralf, and the ambulance would be coming up the same side.
After typing all that, it's maybe not crash-tye dependant, it's probably safety precautions no matter what.
The only reason I can see that they didn't red-flag the race was because Ralf was awake, compos mentis (Williams were asking him over the radio and he was able to move as they asked) and the car wasn't in a dangerous place, but the reactions should've been a bit quicker all round.
Cracking race all the way tho :-D
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They should have red flagged the race after Ralfs crash.
I think it was completely moronic of the race director to allow all the cars to go through all that debris on the exit of the corner.
I know they were following the safety car, but even at that speed they could have had a tyre let go, and then plough straight into the marshals and doctors helping Ralf.
And poor old Montoya! letting the guy race for 50 odd laps before black flagging him cos he got out of his race car and into the spare too late. Whatever happened to that 20 minute window that penalties had to be given in ? Now if Schumacher had done that......
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I used to watch F1 a lot, i still watch it sometimes. The problem is that the races are too predictable:
1) Practice session
2) Open race, anyone can win
3) M Schumacher gets an element of luck when all the others get bad luck and fall behind
4) The 1st placed driver has 1 lap to go when the commentator shouts "and he must win now!" and his engine blows up and M Schumacher overtakes at the last minute
5) M Schumacher wins AGAIN!
I used to like when Mika Hakkinen was racing, at least he put up a good fight! :-)
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Doobrey wrote:
And poor old Montoya! letting the guy race for 50 odd laps before black flagging him cos he got out of his race car and into the spare too late. Whatever happened to that 20 minute window that penalties had to be given in ? Now if Schumacher had done that......
I think that 20 min window is the time to look into the descision (when they notice it) and announce it. The complaint is about how long it took them to notice, but also it seemed to take them over 20 mins to decide. That latter thing is what Williams should be appealing against if anything. The stewards were too late to do anything about it by then.
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Hum,
it seems that the F1 cars are going to run down Regent street, London today...
Should be a nice day out for everyone.
And maybe in the future London will get it`s own f1 circuit...
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PMC wrote:
BTW, what does everyone think of the proposed new rules? For those who don't know the plan is an engine size reduction to 2.4 litres and 8 cylinders.
I think it`s bloody stupid.
They have 2 agendas..
1. Cut speeds because of safety concerns.
2. Cut/limit the cost of racing.
Cutting the engine size will slow them down for another decade, but the lower end teams on customer spec engines will suffer.
The engine companies have spent years and millions on getting a 3 litre v10 to where it is now, getting a competitve 2.4 litre V8 isn`t as simple as lobbing of 2 cylinders and shortening the crank stroke, so they`re gonna be starting from scratch, and that means the companies with the biggest budgets will still win.
I had a simple idea, so cunning you could stick a big bushy tail on it and call it Reynard..
Why not just use a simple rev limiter?
The FIA could regulate it easy enough, giving each car a sealed box at the start of each race to stop cheating.
It`ll also give engines more longevity, lower revs puts less stress on the whole unit, so you should see more cars finish the race (apart from Sato :-P ), and should make engines cheaper to make as they won`t need as much exotic alloys as they do now.
OK, the anaethestic from the dentist has worn off now, and have regained the ability to work out that 8/10s of 3 litres is 2.4 litres, so they can just lob off the end 2 cylinders.. I`ll shut up and get back to coding. :sealed:
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Simpler would be to stop refuelling. Heavy cars on tyres that had to last for much longer would significantly slow the cars. Formula 1 is fast becoming quite pathetic. An element of danger is an integral part of the sport. The drivers who are a cut above are prepared to go further towards the limit than others. This difference is diminished as the cars are made safer and safer.
I had a chuckle when I saw one of Mosley's new proposals, though. It seems very commercial and I would say cancels out all of the other safety measures included in the package (safety being the priority) by the being the most dangerous suggestion ever - it beggars belief. The idea is that, parade lap having been completed, if a car stalls the start won't be postponed. Instead, it will proceed as usual with yellow flags indicating the stricken car. Given some of the take-off scenarios witness in recent seasons, I find this idea truly astonishing!
I reckon good riddance Max.
Apologies for kinda ranting - am in crappy mood :-) :-x
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It`s not about softening the sport and making it totally safe in the way you see it.
There`ll always be an element of risk no matter how fast or slow you crash, just look at Senna`s crash, normally drivers would walk away from something like that..:-(
I was reading about a crash in practise at the French GP, (I think it was a Sauber) 80g, nose straight into a tyre barrier.Without that new head restraint they said he would have headbutted the steering wheel and at the very least have some damage to his neck.
If they don`t slow the cars somehow, accidents will just get bigger and bigger. A crash this year that puts 80g on the driver, could well be a 90 or 100g crash next year.
I`m with you about Moseley and the FIA, some of their ideas have been bizarre.
Take the idea of putting grooves in the tyres!
How the hell is that improving safety?
Sure, they can`t corner as fast on them, but it doesn`t stop the car reaching the same speed just before they brake.
What happens if a driver needs to take sharp turn to avoid someone/something on the track? Oh dear, not enough grip, and wallop!
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I see what you are saying but your point abpout Senna's accident is interesting (I am conveniently forgetting Ratzenberger for the sake of my argument - I'm going to hell). His death was the result of a freak occurrence rather than the impact itself. Formula1 cars are infinitely safer than they were then. Those two deaths were the first for 12 years. I feel that we have gone far enough. Although, admittedly, this view depends on other factors changing little. As cost cutting is also one of the driving (hehe) forces behind the proposed cahnges, it seems odd to change the engine regulations. The companies cannot go much further with the current rules. However, with the change to 2.4 engines, all will have to increase their budgets to produce what is required. And get up to the maximum level pretty quickly.
Basically, what I am saying is, I wish people would stop tinkering with things just to make them appear different and appeal to non-fans. Just leave them and all will enjoy more. Look at the scrapping of the disastrous Golden and Silver goals in football by way of an example.
Another lush GBGP, though!
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Hum,
Truly, a spectacular crash...
And seems maclaren have regained a bit of their former glory...though even with the safety car nullifying Shoes lead they still came second...
And what happened to Button? (Too much under steer)
Oh well...
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blobrana wrote:
maclaren have regained a bit of their former glory...
And what happened to Button? (Too much under steer
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@Blob
Yeah, it's good to see McLaren back near the front of the grid and bodes well for next year with Montoya & Raikkonen battling it out with (possibly) Webber in a Williams and Schuey once again.
JB seemed to struggle with a set of tyres, hence him coming into the pits during the safety car laps. It's a shame we were denied seeing him on the podium of his home race though...
I missed the women's racing, I'd have liked to have seen all those RX8s being driven hard. As Indy racing has proved in the US, there's no reason why women can't be competitive in motor racing, so it's time a few graduated into F1 IMHO.
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Hum,
And sure enought McLaren are up there with MS ....
(German GP on now)
Watch out for the first corner...
UPDATE:
Hum,
wow, what a race. Clean 1 st corner...
unlucky for Kimi, or Button for the engine change drop in places...
13 to second! fantastic...!
And well done to Alonso .
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Great race from Button and Alonso, that fight just didn't want to end :-)
Pity Kimi went out, Montoya had a bad race and Coulthard couldn't keep up the pace. Kimi was looking as good as he did last year, pity his German bad luck struck yet again :-(
Still, fantastic race!
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Hum,
just a reminder not to do anything today...
The Shanghai circuit (China) today...
Check out the circuit, it has to be the best in the World Championship,
and i noticed that they`re using nifty new graphics, and we can now listen to the pit radio...
(https://www.grandprix-tickets.com/images/_circ_china.gif)
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@ Blobzie
That circuit actually has the same outline as your previous avatar!
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Just watched the race (there was no way I was getting up at 6am :-P).
Looks like Schumey finally had all his bad luck rolled over him today :-P
Good to see such a closely fought race at the end too - less than 2 seconds between first and third :-D
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That`s gotta be one of the best races this season.
Although for a new track, a couple of the braking zones looked like a corrugated tin roof, that`s gotta hurt :-o
I wish they`d had some more interesting pit-car conversations though, I can only imagine what some of them would be..
Pit:"David, your getting too close to Ralf"
Pit:"Repeat, your getting too close to Ralf,back off"
DC:"Oopsie"
Pit:"You {bleep}wit"
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Australia 7 March.
I think I want to go to that one this time, rather than watch it on TV. :-)
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@iamaboringperson
Hum,
i thought the time zone difference was only +12 hours...
[unless, you are a timelord]
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So.... who do you guys think will buy Jaguar F1?
There are a couple of potential buyers:
* Red Bull (this isa rumoured to be very likely)
* Team Arden (very interested, but can they find the money?)
* Rich russian kids
I'm hoping for Arden as that will probably make it highly like for a Swede racing next year (Wirdheim). Unfortunately I think it's not that likely so the Swede in question will probably have to race around American circuits next year. :-(
My bet is for Red Bull. And that way we will probably have a driver's lineup of Klien (:pissed:) and Liuzzi with a young american driver as third.
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Michael Schumacher going to win this season, as predicted! :-D
But Jenson Button is having a very good season, i did not predict that one. :-o
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But Jenson Button is having a very good season, i did not predict that one.
Yeah, what BAR really needed was to get rid of Villeneuve apparently. It will be interesting to see BAR at Suzuka as I bet Honda will have a special engine for the home grand prix. (probably it will be really fast for 10 laps and then Sato blows it up as usual). :-D
Button and Sato has been the best combo this year I think. Jenson for the results and Sato for the entertainment. :-)
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Bezzen wrote:
Button and Sato has been the best combo this year I think. Jenson for the results and Sato for the entertainment.
Some F1 things that irk / confuse me:
1) Why is Jenson Button intent on going to Williams next year? Barring Ferrari, the BAR Honda is the package of the year plus he has the whole team built around him. Either Williams have made him a massive offer (unlikely), or Jenson knows something about next year's car that we don't.
2) Silverstone. Bernie gets his way and Silverstone is axed, probably in favour of some boring autodrome that has fantastic facilities for messrs Ecclestone et al to have a right old jolly-up.
3) Ferrari and Schumacher. The best guy in the best car deserves to win as often as he does. Schuey makes everyone else look like rank amateurs and doesn't break into a sweat. Obviously you can't penalise the guy for his deserved success, but having someone else win every once in a while would be nice...
4) Jaguar. Another team bites the dust and goes the way of Lotus, Tyrrell, Prost, Arrows, Pacific, Forti and Larrousse. That's eight teams in ten years. Jordan have gone from being an outside championship bet to battling to stay alive in five years, Minardi seem to hang on each year somehow. Sooner or later it'll be a straight fight between BMW, Mercedes, Honda and Ferrari.
Ecclestone still hasn't learned from this and seems to be content for everyone to cut budgets except him.
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PMC wrote:
2) Silverstone. Bernie gets his way and Silverstone is axed
Wasn`t purely down to Bernie, the BRDC didn`t submit an application cos they couldn`t afford it. On the BBC`s Motorsport page, they said that the final price Bernie wanted was one of the lowest in Europe.
It just makes me f####g mad that the Government refused to help.
Look at China and Bahrain, how much did they pour into those tracks ?
The Canadian GP this year only went ahead after the Canadian authorities subsidised all the teams that normally run tobacco sponsorship, to make up for the loss of revenue.
Yet in the UK, they spend £430 Million on a new Scottish parliament originally budgetted at £40M, the same on the Millenium Dome, god knows how much on rebuilding Wembley Stadium, and wanting to spend several billion on hosting the Olympics.
But will they help out with the £3 million difference between what Bernie wants, and what the BRDC can afford??
Obviously you can't penalise the guy for his deserved success, but having someone else win every once in a while would be nice...
Look how they do it in the BTCC with success ballast. Win a race, have a sodding great lump of lead bolted to your car.
Sounds crude, but it works. after a while it is a fairly level playing field.
4) Jaguar. Another team bites the dust and goes the way of Lotus, Tyrrell, Prost, Arrows, Pacific, Forti and Larrousse. That's eight teams in ten years.
..pedant mode engaged.
Tyrrell became BAR. :-D
I like Bernies suggestion that the teams could run 3 cars next season if there aren`t enough teams left.
Yeah, good idea that.. when the FIA are trying to reduce the cost of F1, add another 50% to their running costs for another car !
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Okay, pair point about BAR dude! I was referring to the loss of the historic Tyrrell name.
The whole Silverstone thing sucks to me, there is talk of a London Grand Prix (with Comrade Ken giving those nasty, polluting and noisy cars free reign to race around the capital) which would be quite an event, but I can't see the infrastructre being in place for it next year.
If Ecclestone wanted to cut F1 costs, then surely he would be trying to lower his already high fees?
Anyway, I agree on the point that a third car would push costs even further thus putting pressure on teams like Sauber, Jordan and Minardi. Still, at least Coulthard would be likely to keep his McLaren seat!
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Eccle should get rid of that fee for entering a new team (was it $40 million?). It's not a real fee (the team gets it back), but it sure isn't many people in the world who can open their purse and put that amount on the table. The cause for the fee was to only get really serious entries and not another Pacific, Simtek or Life team that went bust. I don't really see the point. Why not let everyone who think they can run a team enter. And if they go bust they go bust. At least there would be some more cars on the grid now and then. And some more drivers would get the chance to show off. (unless Verstappen steals their seat, as he always seem to do).
Btw, now it seems like Dallara could be up for buying Jaguar. There has been serious rumours about them building a team for 2006, but now there's speculation that they might buy a complete team and run the R6-car next year. Would be nice.
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Anyway, I agree on the point that a third car would push costs even further thus putting pressure on teams like Sauber, Jordan and Minardi. Still, at least Coulthard would be likely to keep his McLaren seat!
I think that only the top teams were forced to run a third car (wouldn't be a part of the championship). But perhaps that's something I've made up. I'm not really sure. :-o
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GO Alonso....
"Barcelona, Barcelona,
I had this perfect dream
-Un sueno me envolvio
This dream was me and you
-Tal vez estas aqui
I want all the world to see
-Un instinto me guiaba
A miracle sensation
My guide and inspiration
Now my dream is slowly coming true" - Queen (http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/lennon/362/store/Queen/Midi/Barcelona(intro).mid)
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blobrana wrote:
GO Alonso....
"Barcelona, Barcelona,
I had this perfect dream
-Un sueno me envolvio
This dream was me and you
-Tal vez estas aqui
I want all the world to see
-Un instinto me guiaba
A miracle sensation
My guide and inspiration
Now my dream is slowly coming true" - Queen (http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/lennon/362/store/Queen/Midi/Barcelona(intro).mid)
Hey Yo!
I like that song! :-D
Schumacher to win again this season me thinks!
Regards,
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CU_AMiGA wrote:
Schumacher to win again this season me thinks!
Yup, especially since Ecclestone`s introduced the new rule that any non-red cars will be randomly banned for two races.
So what does everyone think of BAR`s ban?
From what I`ve read, they hadn`t actually broken any rules. But wierdly the FIA didn`t have to prove they did, BAR had to prove they didn`t..and since they had no way of proving the weight of the car throughout the race they lost the appeal.
The sooner all the other team set up the breakaway GP series, the better it`ll get. Oh, suprise suprise, who`s the only team not to have signed that letter of intent to form the new series(and so, still in favour with Ecclescake)??
:pissed:
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I think that BAR got off lightly. Their fuel system itself requiring the extra tank isn't illegal but counting the fuel in it as part of the car's dry weight is. The fact that when initially asked to completely drain the car of fuel for weighing, they left the fuel in the secondary tank but declared the car empty, suggests to me that they were entirely aware of what they were doing and were cheating. It is also irrelevant(sp?) if the weight didn't fall below 600kgs during the race. Just my interpretation.:-)
On Ecclestone; I have heard that he is getting pretty fed up of the changes that Mosley has been introducing and is particularly displeased with the qualifying changes. It is Mosley who is still on the safety and slow car crusade. I think he is correct to suggest being heavy handed with rule breakers, though.
The re-instatement of Ferrari after the bargeboard situation to ensure a championship deciding final race a few years back was disgraceful, though. A tad more consistency needed.
I couldn't watch the race, so have recorded it to watch later. Looking forward to it, though. Good to see another team on top and such a pleasant driver as Alonso there too. He should be able to hold on for championship. Hopefully.
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I heard something rather interesting about the BAR cheating from the commentary of the swedish F1 broadcasts. At a grand prix last year he had been chatting with some important BAR person before the race. That BAR-dude was complaining about Renault cheating. He said that it was a "well known fact" among the other teams that Renault was doing something possibly illegal. And then he went on to describe what the teams thought they were doing. And.... well, he described exactly what BAR was caught doing this year. :-D
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:laughing:
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Interesting. If true, that would certainly put the cat amongst the old pigeons :-o
I know F1 cars are well complicated (slight understatement) but I don't see why the FIA couln't have a specialized team to really thouroughly check out the cars; or maybe I'm being a bit naive? :-)
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Wow, F1 talk in a.org, this really is the perfect forum! Yeah, Ecclestone has to go, big time. It's not just his tailoring of the F1 scene to his own petty tastes, he clearly comes across as an a**hole on the TV as well. Such a huge institution as F1 shouldn't be so firmly in the hands of just one guy. Presumably, there is no president of Football as a whole (don't know / care), or Boxing, etc.
As for BAR's ban, UK coverage of F1 is limited to race weekends, so what happens inbetween comes all at once. A little surprised to hear of this, vehicles should definitely be checked before the race. Would a boxer be let into the ring with a concealed weapon? Would an olympic high jumper be allowed to wear springs on his feet? (not suggesting foul play on BAR's part, just lack of procedure on F1's).
BTW, any other brits annoyed at F1 moving to ITV with ads, etc? Aaarghh! WHATS HAPPENING AT THE FRONT??? I DON~T CARE ABOUT PRODUCTS TO KEEP MY TOILET SMELLING LIKE A RAIN FOREST!!!!!
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I'd actually say get rid of Max Mosley, not Bernie.
And yes, those ads have been annoying me for 4 years now. Bloody annoying, but then again it meant that during the Australian GP I got to see the 2nd part of John Smith's Wedding Party ad for the first time :-D
Possibly the last JS ad with PK :-(
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lurkist wrote:
BTW, any other brits annoyed at F1 moving to ITV with ads, etc?
Yup, and I swear they cut to ads just as something moderately interesting happens.
Take the San Marino GP for example, 4 laps from the finish, Schumacher crawling all over the back of Alonso and ITV cuts to an ad break. :pissed:
What moron thought that`d be a good time to press the magic button ? 60-odd laps of bugger all happening, then when it gets exciting we get shown ads for bog roll and ear wax removal :pissed: :pissed:
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Monaco GP this weekend! Woohoo! I just love that race, eventhough there's no overtaking there's just something very special about it. :-)
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Yeah, it's amazing! Hopefully lots of in car footage.
I defy anyone, formula1 fan or not, to fail to be enthralled by the Monaco event. Marvellous :-)
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Watch out for Alonso...
amazingly, the car is wizzing around the track...
(i seem to recall him waving his fist at another driver whilst he was crashing last year...)
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Two bits of news on the Beeb today:
Sunday qualifying to be axed (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/4565865.stm):
Formula One's Sunday qualifying is likely to be discontinued after this weekend's Monaco Grand Prix in favour of a single Saturday session.
The International Automobile Federation (FIA) said the 10 teams had unanimously agreed to change qualifying procedure.
The proposal is for a single qualifying session on Saturday afternoon with drivers each having a single timed lap.
and...
Eddie Irvine buying Jordan? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/4566375.stm):
Former Jordan owner Eddie Jordan has welcomed the possibility of Eddie Irvine buying into the struggling team.
Irvine reportedly heads a consortium keen on investing in the team owned by Russian billionaire Alex Schnaider.
"Formula One is in a situation where it needs characters of the ilk of Eddie Irvine," Jordan told BBC Five Live.
"It is devoid of the kind of style and parties and lifestyle that F1 has been associated with. Eddie is exactly the kind of guy who can deliver that."
Irvine's at Monaco this weekend on a "fact-finding mission" apparently.
Should be interesting to see what's said before the race tomorrow :-)
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Hum,
not a great day for Ralf Schumacher either.
Ralf, started out the qualy one with a half-second penalty after a tyre problem, only to lose his Toyota after getting too close to the barriers at Tabac.
(http://www.planet-f1.com/mediastore/_2005_Season_Galleries/Monaco_Thursday/_05_Ralf.jpg)
A simple misjudged left turn, clipped the wheel against the crash barrier, which bent the wheel and propelled him straight into the barriers on the opposite side of the track, destroying the Toyota and spilling water and oil onto the track.
Thankfully, it was only a slow corner and he was able to climb from his car unhurt. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41173000/jpg/_41173649_troopers300.jpg)
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blobrana wrote:
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41173000/jpg/_41173649_troopers300.jpg)
Is it a severe lack of sleep , or has Red Bull replaced Coulthard's pit crew with 10 yr old kids ?
I just hope that when they were doing the windtunnel tests, no one shouted out "May the downforce be with you" :-)
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He got shunted on the backside.
(http://photos11.flickr.com/15357877_cb817a9fcd_o.jpg)
Ferrari weren’t so incredible this time...
(http://photos11.flickr.com/15357876_3fd04b5b35_o.jpg)
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I can't remember ever seeing that much passing going on in Monaco. A great race. :-)
And it's time for the European GP this weekend. :-D
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>>European GP
Would you pit, 2 laps from the end, if you were in the lead?
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Difficult choice, but better getting 6 points than none.
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No, I would have pitted sooner! Huge vibration through suspension for loads of laps; I reckon he was lucky to last as long as he did. Surely they could have convinced the FIA that the tyre was dangerous? Don't know why he was pushing so hard earlier on, though!
Another race where I wasn't sure if there was as much action as there seemed to be! Anyway, it was good to watch and that's the main thing :-)
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Hum,
That `one set of tyres` rule just adds to the danger imho.
And the quicker they change it, the safer the driver will be.
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blobrana wrote:
That `one set of tyres` rule just adds to the danger imho.
And all in the name of cost cutting forced on them by the powers that be !
How much does a set of F1 tyres cost? bugger all compared to the money the teams spend keeping their guests happy in the hospitality suites.
Although there is another side of this 1 set rule...
Remember what used to happen after a pit stop and the new set weren't as good as the old ones (or vice versa), and you'd suddenly see a difference in the cars lap times?
Now imagine being stuck with a bad set on race day and no chance to change them after 20 laps :-x
Ah well, at least it was a good race to watch.
Poor Kimi, he deserved to win. I can't believe he could actually race with that tyre,shame it shook the suspension to pieces (my last British made car had the same problem :lol: ).. guess the bloke's got balls the size of melons.
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blobrana wrote:
A bit of a farce.
Just a bit?
Another solution would've been using the new tyres Michelin were to fly over, but the teams would've incurred "penalties" for changing the tyres. Nobody has said what penalties they would've been.
I can't believe I just sat and watched that "race"...
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I feel sorry for everyone that spent money on going to see it.
IMHO, the Michelin teams made the right choice in not racing, why should they have gone out on the new tyres and get penalised for something that isn't their fault?
And as for the FIAs suggestion to use the dangerous tyres but just go slower on the banking ?? The whole point of the 107% qualifying rule was to eliminate cars that'd be too slow and get in the way on the grounds of safety.
There were a couple of solutions to have a proper race, but the Max and Bernie show had their heads stuck so far up each others arses that they couldn't see them.
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Doobrey wrote:
IMHO, the Michelin teams made the right choice in not racing, why should they have gone out on the new tyres and get penalised for something that isn't their fault?
I'm not too sure about that. Michelin have admitted that there is a design fault in the tyrewall. It's only evident when the tyres are banking at 9degrees or more. The diamond cut track made it more obvious.
As the track is not one of the test places no one knew until the Friday, by then it wasn't really avoidable either. The teams pick their tyres on the Wednesday.
Oh, and Ferrari wanted no part in the discussions for a while, so even if there was a compromise that the FIA were happy about it would never have gone ahead because they need all 10 teams to agree.
I'm beginning to hate Ferrari...
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Hum,
Yeah,
Very short sightedness on the part of Ferrari.
Ok, they had the right to race, and thought, `why should they compromise through no fault of their own`. It was Michelins fault, and they had to win the race – and pick up valueless points and lose the hearts of the ppl there.
The `spirit of racing` just got runover by corporate FIA & ferrari
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I was very disillusioned with Ferrari yesterday as their decision not to ratify the airlift of the Michelins meant that only six cars raced. Surely even though rules are there to be obeyed, Ferrari went against the spirit of sportsmanship?
I'm afraid any goodwill toward the red team was in very short supply yesterday and I pity the poor souls who spent a small fortune to end up watching what amounted to a Bridgestone testing session that happened to have points awarded.
The notion of sportsmanship was clearly lost on Ferrari yesterday, gone are the days when it was commonplace for teams and drivers to assist their rivals with spare parts etc who would otherwise have to sit out the race because of mechanical problems.
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PMC wrote:
Surely even though rules are there to be obeyed, Ferrari went against the spirit of sportsmanship?
My thoughts exactly :-(
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Oh well, looks like the implosion is about to begin...FIA to bring charges against teams (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/4110808.stm) :-(
I can't see any of them rolling over and taking it, wonder if they can counter by bringing disrepute charges against Moseley and Ecclescake?
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"Wrongly refused to allow your cars to start the race"
WTF?!
Would Mosely and the rest preferred that they raced on the unmodified circuit at full speed and risk 14 cars crashing?
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Hum,
The speed difference between Bridgestone and Michelin, had they raced and slowed down for that corner, would be 100 km/h...
And it’s not the safest situation to get shunted from behind (i.e., into that concrete wall)...
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More F1 crap for anyone who's interested..
BMW buys Sauber (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/4118472.stm)
Stoddard blames Mosley (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/4119526.stm)..get past the rants and the rest shows the usual Mosley bullyboy tactics.
Edit..
I think this Stoddard's account of USGP (http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=24926) says it all, damn good read of how this whole farce came about.
To my total disgust, it was stated that Mosley had informed Mr Martin, the FIA’s most senior representative in the USA, that if any kind of non-championship race was run, or any alteration made to the circuit, the US Grand Prix, and indeed, all FIA-regulated motorsport in the US, would be under threat – again, exactly the same tactic that was used in threatening the Australian Grand Prix and Australian motorsport in March of this year.
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Mosley is so far out of touch he'd be closer to the F1 teams if he was on Alpha Centauri.
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Both Mosley and Ecclestone are dangerously out of touch with the sport.
The latter is more interested in the money making aspect of things, seemingly more preoccupied with how straight the pitlane motorhomes are parked and how good the pitlane facilities are for the "corporate" guests. None of it matters a fig to anyone watching at home.
The former seems to be doing everything he can to stop the dangerous activities whereby drivers might overtake each other on the track, instead preferring the endless processions and "pit lane passing".
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The notion of sportsmanship was clearly lost on Ferrari yesterday, gone are the days when it was commonplace for teams and drivers to assist their rivals with spare parts etc who would otherwise have to sit out the race because of mechanical problems.
Ferrari? Why would anyone blame this farce on Ferrari? If anyone is to blame it is either the teams and/or michelin.
Now it was 3 teams able to race, what do you think would have happened if it was the other way around? If Bridgestone had the problem and Ferrari, Jordan and Minardi asked for the trackchange? You think all 7 teams would have agreed?
Don't get me wrong, I am not a fan of Ferrari (at all), but I do think they did right in racing.
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I'm thinking Bernie was wrong in telling the teams to go out to their track positions for the formation lap. If they hadn't the race might've been abandoned.
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Tahoe wrote:
Ferrari? Why would anyone blame this farce on Ferrari? If anyone is to blame it is either the teams and/or michelin.
Because a compromise was almost reached on Sunday morning when all the teams (bar one) agreed to have Barcelona spec Michelins flown in. Ferrari objected and the teams decided not to race - wisely considering the apalling risks of injury to drivers.
I felt Ferrari's decision was hardly sporting under the circumstances, but allowed them a win nonetheless.
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PMC wrote:
Because a compromise was almost reached on Sunday morning when all the teams (bar one) agreed to have Barcelona spec Michelins flown in. Ferrari objected and the teams decided not to race - wisely considering the apalling risks of injury to drivers.
I felt Ferrari's decision was hardly sporting under the circumstances, but allowed them a win nonetheless.
I thought the Barcelona spec tyres had the same flaw?!
It just would have been so much better if the ferrari's didn't make it to the finish line, almost happened when schumi nearly bumped rubens off :)
Our dutch driver would have had a podium, something I consider impossible with a minardi...
At least he has a great boss, not afraid to criticize...
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Tahoe wrote:
I thought the Barcelona spec tyres had the same flaw?!
Nope, but they were untested rubber. Michelin was confident, and the teams accepted that so they would've gone out on them.
It just would have been so much better if the ferrari's didn't make it to the finish line, almost happened when schumi nearly bumped rubens off :)
I would still be laughing today if that happened :-D
A Jordan 1 - 2 and Minardi getting a 3rd place :banana: :crazy:
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Frank Williams has suggested that the Michelin teams would have raced for no points. You can't say fairer than that (well, almost not). The Michelin teams would have been penalised (hard for them to manufacture a Minardi/Jordan result over Ferrari), the crowd would have been largely satisfied and the financial effect in terms of sponsorship would be minimalised. I would very much put the blame at the feet of Mosley. Whilst I admit that he has done some good for F1 over the years, I think he has brought the sport to the brink of non-existance.
Future rules changes - standard ECU - so it will just be literally a manufacturing contest between the world's car makers; come on, what's the point of them being involved if not to show-off their technical prowess!
I'm hoping that BMW purchasing Sauber suggests that the GPWC
series is becoming more of a possibility.
I would actually like Bernie to be in charge and for no-one to remember who Max Mosley is.:-)
Meanwhile I shall dig out my mid 90's tapes and remind myself what proper F1 cars look like :-D
It's going to die, though:-(
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As much as I hate to admit it,I feel pretty bad for Bernie.
He was stuck between a rock and hard place with Mosley refusing to budge on a compromise.
I guess after the Paris hearing we'll know more.
Knowing what a jumped up little dictator Mosley is, I bet he'd do something stupid like ban all the Michelin teams for a couple of races :-o
Maybe the teams will decide enoughs enough and bring forward the GPWC idea to 2007 ? Dunno if the Concorde Agreement allows them to do this though..but then what can the FIA do? Ban them from a series they no longer want to race in?
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Doobrey wrote:
Maybe the teams will decide enoughs enough and bring forward the GPWC idea to 2007 ? Dunno if the Concorde Agreement allows them to do this though..but then what can the FIA do? Ban them from a series they no longer want to race in?
He would probably be able to sue them for no-showing, creating a 1 team F1 season, not honouring the concord agreement until the end of 2008...
There's probably loads of things Mosley could sue for. He probably would too.
I'd agree with Abou77 with putting Bernie in charge. He actually talks to the teams all the time, so he'd know better than anyone how to run things smoothly.
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James Allen's USGP verdict (http://www.itv-f1.com/Feature.aspx?Type=James_Allen&PO_ID=33214):
How close did the Sunday morning meeting come to finding a solution?
Not close at all. I understand that at one point it was suggested that the Michelin cars should drive “slowly” around Turn 13, even using pit lane speed limiters.
Considering that the Bridgestone cars would have been doing 190mph, that would surely have been more dangerous than exploding tyres!
If the debate was on that kind of level you can see why a load of vastly experienced men failed to see common sense.
If you’d had a dozen middle-aged women in there, the problem would have been sorted in 20 minutes.
:lol:
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Well maybe it's time to get Mrs.Mosley to meet the team bosses wives now..
F1 teams may boycott more races (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/4623833.stm)
"Would we race after a (heavy) penalty? I think we'd have a meeting and you wouldn't guarantee it," Stoddart said.
But FIA president Max Mosley countered: "The governing body will always win."
"If it emerges that the guilt of certain teams is of a certain level, then a ban will be justified," he told the newspaper. "There are various other possibilities - points being deducted, a fine or reprimand."
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Mosley would be most unwise to declare war on the teams, there's too much at stake right now.
If Minardi's financial situation is as dire as many say then a fine might tip them over the edge. Meanwhile we have McLaren, Williams, Toyota, Sauber (now BMW), Red Bull and BAR who all withdrew from the race on safety grounds. Can Mosley really cry foul on safety grounds, yet bring charges of disrepute on teams who didn't race for the same reason?
Damon Hill summed it up perfectly in Top Gear yesterday when he said "something's smelled bad in F1 for years, but now it positively stinks".
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PMC wrote:
If Minardi's financial situation is as dire as many say then a fine might tip them over the edge.
Minardi shouldn't be fined - they're bridgestone runners. It's only the michelin teams that will be penalised.
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Vincent wrote:
Minardi shouldn't be fined - they're bridgestone runners. It's only the michelin teams that will be penalised.
But who's the one always {bleep}ing and moaning about the FIA?
..and who tried legal threats against the FIA at Australia?
..and acting/behaving like a spokesman for all the team bosses at the USGP?
I'd hazzard a guess and say Minardi are on Mosley's {bleep}list too.
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"Would we race after a (heavy) penalty? I think we'd have a meeting and you wouldn't guarantee it," Stoddart said.
Yes, go on strike boys!
I'd love it if the drivers in the number one capitalist spectator sport all went on strike.
I can see Clarkson and Littlejohn ranting about it now. :lol:
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Doobrey wrote:
I'd hazzard a guess and say Minardi are on Mosley's {bleep}list too.
Yes, but I doubt there's anything they can do about it ;-)
If Minardi were to be punished then they'd have to punish Jordan too - something I can't see happening.
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BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/4631523.stm)
Punishment has been deferred until 14th September.
Don't know what it'll be, but Mosley says it'll be financial penalties for the 7 teams and not points deducted. It would be points only if it was an illegal performance benefit.
Michelin will not be punished (they weren't at the meeting and were never invited to it either - only the 7 teams were there) but they have said that they'll refund the punters.
The teams were found guilty of 2 of the 5 charges.
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Refund (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/4629819.stm)
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Hum,
The first Turkish GP starts tomorrow,
Grid placement race on right now…
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Ah, yes, qualifying?!
Loads of bottomming(?)-out today. Will this be penalised or will it depend on how many, or which of the teams are affected?
(i.e. Alonso is a likely candidate for disqualification)
Brialliantly unpredictable circuit, looks like it should be a fantastic race tomorrow!
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Abou27 wrote:
Brialliantly unpredictable circuit, looks like it should be a fantastic race tomorrow!
You're right about the circuit, it from what I read it's getting bumpier the more it's used. What the hell that'd do to the wear on the wooden planks if it gets worse during the race is anyones guess.How will the stewards/FIA handle any excessive wear spotted in scrutineering?
BTW, is it just me or does anyone think BAR are being a smidge hypocritical about the Button/Williams situation?
Last year it ended up at the CRB to force Button to race for BAR for this year. Now Williams apparently have Button under contract for next year, BAR are saying "Jenson shouldn't be forced to race for a team that he doesn't want to be in." :lol:
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@Doobrey
Yeah, I hope Frank Williams has the resolve to put the spoilt brat in his place. Looking promising at the moment. He ain't doing his image any good, though. Presonally, I can recognise him to be a good driver but his supercilious attitude out of car makes me dislike him intensely. He was like it in his first year in F1 - way too {bleep}y in interviews. Kinda wound me up. But of course, I'm just one side of the coin; I'm sure many admire these traits!
Good race. McLaren worringly quick. Hard to judge imapct of third driver (particularly at unknown track) - one of the most stupid rules in F1. Will take the edge off for me if Raikkonen wins Championship. What do others think?
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I think everyone should have a third driver on track. And then they should ban private testing to cut costs. And all the third drivers should be allowed to qualify for the last four open slots on the grid. They wouldn't race for constructors points, off course. That way we would have a nice full grid with some of the up and coming drivers and costs would be drasticly cut due to no private testing days.
Anyway. I guess the big teams would never allow that to happen (Ferrari in particular seem to love the private testing), but I think it'd be nice. :-D
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All the teams except Ferrari agreed to cut testing this season, so a ban on private testing will forever be out of the question.
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Yawn.
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For those who think Max Mosley hasn't lost the plot..
From BBC Motorsport pages (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/4209794.stm)
FIA president Max Mosley announced the partnership after a recent survey of fans showed 94% wanted more overtaking.
"We didn't realise how important (passing) was to the fans until recently," said Mosley.
HUH?? The guy's president of the FIA, what the {bleep} did he think people watched F1 for ? Looking at all the pretty flags that spectators wave?, or maybe he thought we all had an tarmac fetish..
Tune in next week when Mosley reveals "We didn't realise how important fast cars are to Formula 1" :crazy:
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:lol:
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Fernando Alonso - Renault - FIA Formula 1 World Champion 2005 :-)
Congratulations to him; a worthy champion!
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Yes, congrats indeed.
Now lets see if Raikkonen can win his first title next year and get this rivalry going! Or Montoya actually. That'd be great.
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Last two races should be fun to see if Alonso can push and fight Raikkonen now championship is decided. It might turn out to be a teaser for next season :-)
However, further rule changes next season might muddle things up again :roll:
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Hum,
i guess i`ll have to resurrect this old thread for this seasons racing as no one else will...
Great race today!
New rules, new drivers, and new cars....
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Yawn! ;-)
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Yup, great race indeed.
I haven't managed to watch the qualifying yet, but the races have been great. Good to see Fisi get another win.
Pity about Raikkonen though.
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Hum,
The US event was a bit different this year...
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Yeah, but not that many more actually finished this year :-P
Good to see that the titles won't be decided too early this year :-)
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May I be so bold as to go against the grain here and say that Formula 1 is completely boring?
The last time I sat down and found it interesting was when Damon Hill was in 1st Place in an Arrows, he lost power but still came 2nd. I think this may have been in the Belgian Grand Prix.
I like to see underdogs prevail, to see people overcoming adversity, triumph of the mind and spirit... not a race decided by engineers and aerodynamics technicians months previous.
The same can be said of tennis. I haven't watched Wimbledon since Agassi used to play in the mid-90s - he was an entertainer. Pete Sampras was a killer too.
Formula 1 should be named Formulaic Wang. I hope the teams have a bustup and go their own way, build some interesting vehicles with less power and more capabilities.
Down with Bernie Ecclestone.
:-D
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Hyperspeed wrote:
The last time I sat down and found it interesting was when Damon Hill was in 1st Place in an Arrows, he lost power but still came 2nd. I think this may have been in the Belgian Grand Prix.
Hungaroring, 1997
I like to see underdogs prevail, to see people overcoming adversity, triumph of the mind and spirit... not a race decided by engineers and aerodynamics technicians months previous.
And I think it's gonna get a LOT worse.
They're talking about freezing engine and gearbox designs for 3 years from 2008 in the name of cost cutting:-o
I can't see the point, what team is gonna tough it out with a crap engine for 3 years, knowing there's not a lot they can do about it ?
So we can expect to see Jenson Button retiring in almost every GP from 2008-2011 :lol:
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Wow,
The Hungarian race was superb,
it had it all - thrills and spills, failures and success, tears and smiles... etc
(i dont think Jenson will be retiring too soon).
http://f1.racing-live.com/ (http://f1.racing-live.com/f1/en/index.shtml)
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Yeah, best race for years! And Jensen's first win amid all the action. All the pre-race commentary about no overtaking opportunities, more overtaking than ever!
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Definitely race of the year so far. Who says 13 is an unlucky number? Oh yeah, MS, FA and KR I suppose!
Shame not to see the leaders actually finishing, but they did extremely well starting from way down the grid.
Great to see de la Rosa get a podium aswell :-)
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Wow, he's won a Grand Prix after 113 attempts or something. A budding young star in the making... like Tim Henman!
:lol:
Now what IS interesting is that Red Bull plane racing thing on Channel 5. Sort of like Formula 1 but planes flying through hoops.
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Air race - yeah, that can only end in disaster, really. It seems very irresponsible.
To be fair to Jensen, he hasn't had the tools to get the job done. Or he has, but it's conked out on the third lap or something!
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To be fair to Jensen, he hasn't had the tools to get the job done. Or he has, but it's conked out on the third lap or something!
He has had quite a bit of bad luck. Just a pity it's too late in the season to really capitalize on this though.
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Hum,
The Brazilian GP is about to begin...
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Two-time world champion Fernando Alonso said he would be happy to retire after winning his third Formula One title.
The Spaniard, who clinched his second title on Sunday, is leaving Renault to race for McLaren next season.
Read more (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/6077692.stm)
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(http://www.cummfybanana.com/images/banana_pits/pitlane.jpg)
Now this is how Formula 1 should be! (http://www.cummfybanana.com/cars/cars_homepage.htm)
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Melbourne - go, go , go
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This was the first race I've watched in a while, a Ferrari leading from start to finish meant that it felt like I'd never been away, hehe.
Hamilton drove a storming race, incredibly mature for a 22 year old rookie. He was clearly the equal of Alonso today.
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This was the first race I've watched in a while, a Ferrari leading from start to finish meant that it felt like I'd never been away, hehe.
Yes the Ferrari is very strong at the start of the season but I think other teams will be catching them up after Malasia GP.
Hamilton drove a storming race, incredibly mature for a 22 year old rookie. He was clearly the equal of Alonso today.
Yes indeed, a future champion I am sure :-)
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Woohoo, 'tis the season to be speedy!
World Cup Skiing / Snowboarding has kept me going through the winter, now it's motorsport season!
Keep an eye on the other championships too, they can often be even better than F1. Check out Formula Renault/BMW/Ford - those youngsters have no fear! Also the BTCC, Seat Cupra, Clio Cup, Carrera Cup, it's all good!
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Great race.
Just really annoying that there's a 3 week break already!
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by Vincent:
Just really annoying that there's a 3 week break already!
Why are there no women Formula 1 drivers? Are they only good for parading with umbrellas?
Formula 1 wish list:
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· Women drivers
· Pit crew bustups
· Explosions
· Swearing/driver gesticulation
· Damon Hill
· Cooler cars with greater variety in design and tech
· New track location/layout each season
· Harry Hill doing the commentary
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· Women drivers - no idea. We've only just got the first black driver, so maybe in the years to come...
· Pit crew bustups - flick to Jerry Springer or Trisha :-P
· Explosions - there are good crashes now and then
· Swearing/driver gesticulation - they do happen, not too recently though - no-one to get pissed of at now that Scumi's gone ;-)
· Damon Hill - Why? He's not a good racer anymore. After watching his "commentating" on ITV digital's subscriptioin/ppv thing I'd say he's never going to do it voluntarily again. He'd maybe good for the odd interviews, but as he's now the BDRC top dog he'll be too busy making sure we still have Silverstone
· Cooler cars with greater variety in design and tech - Blame the safety rules and regulations for this one. There was a bit of variety between cars in the 70s/80s but some were apparently a bit dangerous.
· New track location/layout each season - yeah right. The cost of keeping circuits is big enough for some countries without having nothing to subside the costs when they don't get the race.
· Harry Hill doing the commentary - :lol: I get too bored with him though. Greg Proops would be good (SW Episode 1 pod race).
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Vincent wrote:
· Women drivers - no idea. We've only just got the first black driver, so maybe in the years to come...
IIRC, the last female F1 driver was way back in 1992, she drove for Brabham but failed to qualify in the first 3 races and was replaced by Damon Hill.
Dunno why there haven't been any more in F1 since then, Katherine Legge (http://www.gokatherine.com) will hopefully be back doing ChampCar again this year, and Danica Patrick (http://www.danicaracing.com) is in Indy.
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Monte Carlo race starting...
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... and finished.
Good race. Good to see Ferrari on the recieving end of a speed storm this time. Looks like Ferrari will be struggling for another wee while yet.
Saying that, Massa did well.
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Not much passing but that's Monaco. :-)
Was still a great race, though. Impressive performance by Alonso, too. Showed he could significantly up the pace if required. Maybe gives Hamilton a few things to think about.
Back to back races on the way. :-D
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Hehehe, remember, Hamilton is still a rookie ;)
What's this? oh yeah, he's on pole position tomorrow. looks like he's giving Alfonso something to think about ;)
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I didn't pay attention to the qualifying yesterday when it actually happened.
I did see the end of the first section when ITV finally decided to show it. Ended doing something else after that section and completely forgot about it.
Wish I'd seen it now.
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Well, it's about to start wit Hamilton on Pole...
O/t:
How would you improve Formula One?
Here's my ideas:
1) Return to slick tyres and emphasis on mechanical grip
2) Remove wings or limit them so that instead of providing active downforce, they are solely used to stabilise the aerodynamics of the cars themselves
3) More street circuits playing a role. I'd love to see a Grand Prix of London for example.
You cannot stifle innovation in a sport like Formula one, but I believe that the emphasis on aerodynamics, five star facilities and anodyne circuits is stifling the actual racing.
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PMC wrote:
3) More street circuits playing a role. I'd love to see a Grand Prix of London for example.
I dunno, Monaco is one of the most boring races of the season, there's just nowhere for drivers to overtake, it just becomes a 2 hr procession. :sleep:
I just hope the new Valencia street circuit can address that.
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{bleep}.. just saw Kubica's crash :-o
Hope he's OK, why the hell isn't the race red flagged while the docs help him?
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It's only red flagged when there's considerable danger to everyone else in the race. The fact that he was moving his hands in the car and he was speaking to the medics probably helped in that descision aswell. Charlie Whiting was probably speaking to the safety car guys that turned up and knew what was going on.
Kubica only has a broken leg btw. He was lucky that he didn't get knocked out after that . Also lucky to only have clipped the other car on the way to the barrier.
Mind you, a bigger clip of that car and he wouldn't have had the speed he did when he hit the first barrier.
I can't remember the last time I'd seen a race this eventful. I can't remember seeing a race where absolutely no-one was lapped!!
Good for Hamilton though. Well raced and well timed.
Gotta say that I loved seeing Sato pass Alonso. I like him as a driver and seeing that was just brilliant :-D
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True, but it also meant all the other drivers had to go thru craploads of debris for a few laps which could have caused a nasty accident later on in the race.
BTW, when you said 'considerable danger',did you mean Heidfeld (http://youtube.com/watch?v=uCBisNZuOQg) ?
Seeing Sato go past everyone at the end was brilliant, that's gotta give all the other teams a wake up call. Howcome Super Aguri can do that, but the real Honda team can't :crazy:
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Well done Hamilton!
And an amazing crash Kubica!
See (http://dailycarvideos.com/2007/06/10/f1-montreal-kubica-crash/)
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The BBC are now saying that he's had a concussion and a sprained ankle. Guess he'll miss out on Indianapolis after all.
@doobrey
I can't remember seeing that Heidfeld crash. But what the hell was the safety car thinking about stoppin there? That was just asking for trouble.
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Wow,
Fantastic action from the Nurburgring
Tune in now.... (Currently its been red flagged)
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blobrana wrote:
Wow,
Fantastic action from the Nurburgring
Tune in now.... (Currently its been red flagged)
I'm sorry, but there is no way you are a bird Blobrana. ;-)
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blobrana wrote:
Wow,
Fantastic action from the Nurburgring
Fantastic indeed. I couldn't help but laugh when I saw the 6 car aquaplaning at the same corner. And then Winkelhock in a Spyker leading the race and restart.
Absolutely hilarious for all the wrong reasons. I thought it was great when Takumo overtook Alonso a few races back, but this is something else!
Shame about Lewis not getting that last point but as he said it's a new experience for him not having to go on the podium :lol:
(I wouldn't have found the aquaplaning funny if they were going at full speed and had a big crash btw)
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The crashes are the only thing which make F1 interesting.
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OK, this is the final insult from ITV. They have bumped F1 out of the way to give schedule time to that gay sport for gays, rugby. We are only allowed the highlights later tonight. AAAAARRRGGGGHHHHHHH
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That's just {bleep}e.
I thought we got it bad yesterday when the qualifying was bumped to 11pm (ish) because of the macho hugging period in the afternoon.
Definitely worth an email complaint to your regional ITV operator.
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I did complain, sort of in the form of a question as I was still holding out hope that it was scheduled slightly later or on one of their other channels (the text info might have been wrong). They replied (quickly to be fair) that they had "opted out" of airing the F1 in favour of r***y. We were indeed left with only the highlights.
Sacrilege.
I should probably apologise for my "gay" thing above, it was written quickly in anger, and was not intended to cause offense. I am not a homophobe, it is simply a quote from a British comedy series called Little Britain - "...this is a gay (insert whatever here) for gays...".
lurkist
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McLaren have been stripped of their points in the 2007 Formula One constructors' championship after the outcome of the 'spygate' row.
Source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/6991147.stm)
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Just seen it on News 24.
Fined $100million aswell.
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Will they still get constructor's points in the rest of the races? I know that they're not allowed constructor representatives on the podium, which makes me think that they'll still get the points.
Saying that, if they do get the points, but aren't on the podium do they still get the constructor's trophy?
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On 10 July 2007 a High Court hearing was opened and adjourned until 11 July 2007 to allow Mike Coughlan to submit an affidavit.[10] However details released include the fact that Mike Coughlan is alleged by Ferrari to be in possession of 780 pages of Ferrari documentation and that his wife is alleged to have taken them to a photocopying shop near Woking [11]. Ferrari were allegedly unaware that their technical information had been stolen, until they received a tip from an employee in the photocopying shop. The staff member saw that the documents were confidential and belonged to Ferrari and, after copying them, decided to contact the team’s headquarters in Italy [12].
moral of the story : don't be a cheapskate when you're stealing multimillion $ worth confidential information. Buy a copy machine and do it yourself FFS !
Vincent, no thropy for mcLaren this year. They don't get any points from the remaining races as well.
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Welcome back Fuji :-D
I thought it was going to be dreadful with the SC being out for about 20 laps (I taped it so I could watch it as soon as I got up so I skipped a good bit of this), but the race did have it's moments.
Like when Alonso crashed.
Raikkonen and Massa passing almost everyone to get back into scoring positions after changing tyres and going to the back.
DC just missing out on the podium.
Kubica and Hamilton coming together.
But the best moment had to be Kubica and Massa fighting for 6th during the last corners. That was just fantastic.
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Wow,
that was exciting....One of the best seasons racing.