Who's getting the Tabor?

[robo-ant]

I'll get one if the price is right and the performance is significantly better than that of my Sam440.

[fishy_fiz]

I wanted one, but if the price I recently read of 400euro is correct then my interest has significantly dwindled.
Pretty much rhetorical, and voiced out of frustration, but why is it every man and his dog, unless the word "Amiga" is involved seem to be able to produce obscure, and cheap machines, even when in small runs?

[ferrellsl]

I wanted one, but if the price I recently read of 400euro is correct then my interest has significantly dwindled.
Pretty much rhetorical, and voiced out of frustration, but why is it every man and his dog, unless the word "Amiga" is involved seem to be able to produce obscure, and cheap machines, even when in small runs?

I'll never understand the OS4 mentality.  They're fanatical about buying hardware that performs on par with systems from 15 years ago at prices from the year 2025....and an OS that has rough feature parity with Windows 98.

[Rob]

I wanted one, but if the price I recently read of 400euro is correct then my interest has significantly dwindled.

It's not terrible if that's the price for a complete system but if it's for just the motherboard then it's still better than the cheapest Sam460cr and you also don't have the extra cost of audio and a SATA cards.  If it's due in October you could put €50 aside each month until then and then decide if it 's worth the €400 sat in a spare bank account.

Pretty much rhetorical, and voiced out of frustration, but why is it every man and his dog, unless the word "Amiga" is involved seem to be able to produce obscure, and cheap machines, even when in small runs?

What hardware are you specifically thinking of?

[JimmiG]

I wanted one, but if the price I recently read of 400euro is correct then my interest has significantly dwindled.
Pretty much rhetorical, and voiced out of frustration, but why is it every man and his dog, unless the word "Amiga" is involved seem to be able to produce obscure, and cheap machines, even when in small runs?

€400 is actually not bad at all for a small batch of a custom designed motherboard. I don't know of any "obscure", but cheap boards with similar power. The Raspberry Pi has sold 10 million units, so I wouldn't call that obscure.

People blame the PowerPC CPU, but the real cost is not the CPU (especially with Tabor), its the custom-designed board. There are cheap credit-card sized ARM SoC boards, but if you want a custom design with PCI-E slots, expandable memory etc., it's going to cost:
https://www.heise.de/preisvergleich/gigabyte-mp30-ar0-9mp30ar0mr-00-a1297380.html

x86 would of course be the cheapest option, even if they had to limit it to certain chipsets and CPUs. However with Hyperion taking until October to get AmigaOS running on just another PPC board, I wouldn't expect an x86 port within our lifetimes...If they started now, the "pre-release" Preview version would come out some time around the year 2085...

[ferrellsl]

I wanted one, but if the price I recently read of 400euro is correct then my interest has significantly dwindled.
Pretty much rhetorical, and voiced out of frustration, but why is it every man and his dog, unless the word "Amiga" is involved seem to be able to produce obscure, and cheap machines, even when in small runs?

I hear ya.  I'll never understand the OS4 user mentality.  They're fanatical about paying 2025 prices for hardware that performs on par with systems from 2003 with an OS that has rough feature-parity with Windows 98.

[icbrkr]

I plan on ordering one as soon as the preorders happen.  400 euros is roughly $450 US which isn't a lot for a custom motherboard with a OS ported to it. I've been wanting to pick up an Amiga 4.x system for sometime, but have no interest in putting out 2K+ on a x1000/x5000.

[utri007]

I'm getting one when they get availlable.

[carvedeye]

If £400 is the price that they are retailing at when they are available I know I will be getting 1 as it is a hell of a lot cheaper than the x5000

[amigasociety]

I suspect an ooodle of Tabor will sell as the price appears to be much cheaper than X1K and X5K and this should help unlock bringing many back to the Amiga OS that want a faster experience than the older Classic hardware can do.  

Great things are happening in Amiga-land.  X5K, A1222 (Tabor), Vampire.

Now hoping Amiga OS 4.2 comes before I go bald.  :hammer:

TJ

[nyteschayde]

I would love to purchase one. Just point at a place that will sell me one. Finally a 4.x motherboard that doesn't break the bank, runs at decent resolutions and with decent speed

[asymetrix]

2 years to port to Tabor is a shambles.

There are so many cheap ARM boards - I cannot believe Hyperion have not contacted any to create some cheap Amiga based systems.
ARM 1 Ghz, 1GB PCIe, USB £180.


http://www.mouser.co.uk/ProductDetail/VIA/VAB-820/?qs=noSWugIXIHr2GDYJY2Aq5w==

[Iggy]

If £400 is the price that they are retailing at when they are available I know I will be getting 1 as it is a hell of a lot cheaper than the x5000

And...a lot less capable, which is why I prefer the latter.

[Rob]

2 years to port to Tabor is a shambles.

There are so many cheap ARM boards - I cannot believe Hyperion have not contacted any to create some cheap Amiga based systems.
ARM 1 Ghz, 1GB PCIe, USB £180.


http://www.mouser.co.uk/ProductDetail/VIA/VAB-820/?qs=noSWugIXIHr2GDYJY2Aq5w==

A port to this or similar hardware would take longer than Tabor.  You're talking about a port to a different CPU architecture, completely new video hardware and a bunch of new I/O.

A lot of driver code for the X5000 can be re-used for the Tabor support.  Aside from support for the e500mc core the only additional drivers needed are for the onboard audio and the network, the driver for which will also work on the X5000.

[JimmiG]

And...a lot less capable, which is why I prefer the latter.

The thing is, most people already have powerful x86 boxes (more powerful than the X5000 in fact) for demanding tasks such as gaming, rendering, scientific calculations or whatever, and only want an AmigaOS system as a secondary box. The small size and equally tiny power consumption are actually advantages then, and performance isn't crucial as long as it runs AmigaOS apps at decent speed and can display most standard websites.

Indeed, until AmigaOS gains 64-bit and multi core support, the additional power is mostly wasted (you can run Linux, but then again, you can run Linux on your cheap 5 GHz overclocked quad-core x86 CPU with that GTX 1080 and 32 GB of RAM, too).

[Iggy]

The thing is, most people already have powerful x86 boxes (more powerful than the X5000 in fact) for demanding tasks such as gaming, rendering, scientific calculations or whatever, and only want an AmigaOS system as a secondary box. The small size and equally tiny power consumption are actually advantages then, and performance isn't crucial as long as it runs AmigaOS apps at decent speed and can display most standard websites.

Indeed, until AmigaOS gains 64-bit and multi core support, the additional power is mostly wasted (you can run Linux, but then again, you can run Linux on your cheap 5 GHz overclocked quad-core x86 CPU with that GTX 1080 and 32 GB of RAM, too).

I don't see that as a legitimate excuse to buy something with that weak a cpu.
And the fact that it won't be able to upgrade to a 64bit OS (should we ever see that) is hardly a selling point.
Also, if the 31 bit memory limitation is lifted, then you've only got 4GB of address space (leaving abou 3.5 GB after I/O is considered)..
Further, I have X64 hardware, but still use alternative hardware.
I just don't think its such a hot idea to buy something with less performance than an over 15 year old G4 PowerMac.

Its got a PCIe slot? Will that matter when even a moderately powerful video card will be bottlenecked by the cpu?