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Offline fishy_fiz

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Re: Amiga Coldfire project dead?
« Reply #29 on: November 17, 2010, 03:41:35 PM »
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Hahahhaha, that is the beauty of then iPhone autocorrect... :roll:


haha,... gotta love a comment on autocorrect that has a demonstration of the downside of autocorrect in it  :)
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Re: Amiga Coldfire project dead?
« Reply #30 on: November 17, 2010, 03:46:31 PM »
Of course, the apple implementation will always choose "poetical" over "political" since it's a word that your average mac user, being a "creative" type is more likely to use :p
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Re: Amiga Coldfire project dead?
« Reply #31 on: November 17, 2010, 03:54:45 PM »
I'm a mac user
not a pc abuser
but I'm not creative
just a silly scots native...

:lol:
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Re: Amiga Coldfire project dead?
« Reply #32 on: November 17, 2010, 04:01:02 PM »
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PPC = hugely expensive hardware so no sale to people with £50/100 machines

PPC = total rewrite of everything from scratch + a driver for all ppc boards/chipsets
ARM = total rewrite of everything from scratch + a driver for all arm boards/chipsets

I really don't see the difference with x86...
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Re: Amiga Coldfire project dead?
« Reply #33 on: November 17, 2010, 04:07:40 PM »
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PPC = total rewrite of everything from scratch + a driver for all ppc boards/chipsets
ARM = total rewrite of everything from scratch + a driver for all arm boards/chipsets

I really don't see the difference with x86...


ARM and x86 are cheap and plentiful compared to PPC.
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Re: Amiga Coldfire project dead?
« Reply #34 on: November 17, 2010, 04:46:28 PM »
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ARM and x86 are cheap and plentiful compared to PPC.

True. What I mean is that in free cases it's a complete rewrite... And in all cases you don't have to support all motherboards. Just like you decide to support two/three ppc boards, you may support two/three x86 or arm boards.

So yes, it's a huge work, but surely no less than PPC...
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Re: Amiga Coldfire project dead?
« Reply #35 on: November 17, 2010, 04:53:51 PM »
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True. What I mean is that in free cases it's a complete rewrite... And in all cases you don't have to support all motherboards. Just like you decide to support two/three ppc boards, you may support two/three x86 or arm boards.

So yes, it's a huge work, but surely no less than PPC...
Hardly a rewrite! A compiler switch and a bit work on the CPU specific parts of AROS... Easy ;)
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Re: Amiga Coldfire project dead?
« Reply #36 on: November 17, 2010, 05:04:48 PM »
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ARM and x86 are cheap and plentiful compared to PPC.



Yes, both are cheap and plentiful. However, both require a total rewrite of the OS.

PPC s are already supported by two OS' and there is a small, but growing, library of software.
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Re: Amiga Coldfire project dead?
« Reply #37 on: November 17, 2010, 05:20:46 PM »
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ARM and x86 are cheap and plentiful compared to PPC.

ARM is cheaper and consumes less electricity than x64 (why bother with the klunky 32bit mess?). x64 is faster but tied to the desktop that is bound to go the way of the mainframe.
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Re: Amiga Coldfire project dead?
« Reply #38 on: November 17, 2010, 05:54:47 PM »
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Yes, both are cheap and plentiful. However, both require a total rewrite of the OS.


Hardly a rewrite! A compiler switch and a bit work on the CPU specific parts of AROS... Easy :)

Is there an echo in here?

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PPC s are already supported by two OS' and there is a small, but growing, library of software.


Err, it's supported by the three AmigaOS clones... But that is neither here nor there... PPC's are a dead end for us as users.
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Re: Amiga Coldfire project dead?
« Reply #39 on: November 17, 2010, 06:17:59 PM »
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Hardly a rewrite! A compiler switch and a bit work on the CPU specific parts of AROS... Easy ;)


Why does nobody just do this?

To hell with the copyright!
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Re: Amiga Coldfire project dead?
« Reply #40 on: November 17, 2010, 06:23:01 PM »
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Why does nobody just do this?

To hell with the copyright!


Erm, they have. AROS runs on more than just x86.
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Re: Amiga Coldfire project dead?
« Reply #41 on: November 17, 2010, 06:33:41 PM »
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Why does nobody just do this?

To hell with the copyright!
AROS currently runs on:

x86 - Stable, binaries and complete distributions available.
x86-64 - Stable and binaries available.
PPC - Stable and binaries available for specific PPC hardware.
68K - Unstable alpha and binaries available (1meg ROM version only at the moment)
ARM - Beta, binaries unavailable (ask Pavel Fedin or Michal Shultz if you really want).
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Re: Amiga Coldfire project dead?
« Reply #42 on: November 17, 2010, 06:57:16 PM »
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Hahahhaha, that is the beauty of then iPhone autocorrect... :roll:


My worst iPhone autoINcorrect was after a particularly nasty argument with my wife, I took my laptop to 'Carrows', a 24 hour restaurant, figuring since it was the middle of the night, and I wasn't going to be sleeping anyway, I might as well get some work done.

When she text messaged me asking where I was, int the response, the iPhone did me the fine favor of replacing 'Carrows' with 'Carol', the name of the neighbor that wanted to get down my pants.

It is a good thing my wife isn't the "make a bonfire in the front yard with all of his belongings" type.
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Re: Amiga Coldfire project dead?
« Reply #43 on: November 17, 2010, 06:59:19 PM »
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AROS currently runs on:

x86 - Stable, binaries and complete distributions available.
x86-64 - Stable and binaries available.
PPC - Stable and binaries available for specific PPC hardware.
68K - Unstable alpha and binaries available (1meg ROM version only at the moment)
ARM - Beta, binaries unavailable (ask Pavel Fedin or Michal Shultz if you really want).


Once the 68k port is in a semi usable state i'm going to splice it together with Amithlon to replace 3.9.

Then I might see about asking Bernd and the other fella(Sorry I forget your name) to release their code under the APL. :)
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Re: Amiga Coldfire project dead?
« Reply #44 from previous page: November 17, 2010, 07:02:19 PM »
Why not build hardware-based dynamic recompilation (or translation) into the execution pipeline, i.e. an MC68000 compatible ISA that translates only the necessary bits to the ColdFire ISA (the "microcode," so to speak). Could such a solution be faster than a complete recreation of the MC68000 ISA in an FPGA? Or could a solution that translates from one ISA to another, e.g. MC68000 to ARM, be just as fast or faster?
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