Given x1000 news is everywhere.....but nonchalance prevails

[dammy]

about Aros/WinUAE, the first is not very usable at the moment (I have icaros desktop worry not), and the second does not empower its users at doing modern stuff on Amiga.

I wouldn't be making too many comparisons in regards to usability of OS4 running on a A1X1K right now vs Icaros Distro. ;-)  Second does empower what the vast majority of "amiga" users want, to play their old games.

I won't start talking about modern  browsing, FLASH, what  kind of 3D is possible today etc. etc. (and don't start with "i  do that in windows" silly argument, the point is doing that ON AMIGA) I  will instead point your attention to the fact that after porting OS4.1  to the X1000, they will start modernizing the OS in order to take  advantage of it.

Since it took, what, six years to port AOS to PPC, I wouldn't be holding my breath for a 64 bit, SMP, full MP OS4 in the near future.  Does OS4 currently have 2D/3D drivers?

[Karlos]

Does OS4 currently have 2D/3D drivers?

No, I use telnet to work with OS4 on my machine :lol:

[dentunes]

@The BilgeRat
But you can drive similar comparisons of that same HP workstation with iMacs or $5000 Alienware machines, where if you buy the same pieces yourself, you can get the same specs at half the price (I could build up another godzillion comparisons) still they don't run AmigaOS do they?
This is a machine for AmigaOS those interested will buy it, those not interested will not (no need for apple to orange comparisons).
Talking about the price, it is not known yet, I saw much fuss done for a post made by user Tommo1975 but nobody cared for user djrikki who in the very same thread says he heard "less than €1500" and with all THAT CONFUSION where everybody is saying they couldn't clearly hear a thing, it's quite understandable.
Anyway, the X1000 is aimed at developers and power-users according to A-Eon, meaning they don't plan any mass market sales for now .

Trevor Dickinson, presenting at the first outing of the X1000, stated it would be north of 1500 pounds. That to me takes precedence over any forum posting. It would be safe to bet on the cost being over 1500 pounds.

It is a shame though. I know keeping it under $2k in Aus is a great price point to be in. This kicks it up well over that (our exchange rate sucks to the UK pound) approx $2556.

[DAX]

I wouldn't be making too many comparisons in regards to usability of OS4 running on a A1X1K right now vs Icaros Distro. ;-)  Second does empower what the vast majority of "amiga" users want, to play their old games.




Since it took, what, six years to port AOS to PPC, I wouldn't be holding my breath for a 64 bit, SMP, full MP OS4 in the near future.  Does OS4 currently have 2D/3D drivers?

Usabilty will be up and running soon worry not, and about the time it takes to develop 3D drivers, Hans De Ruiter  responded to Fab asking the same question a few months back like this: the good thing about writing them for a family of similar cards (ATIR500/600/700) is that you don't have to do them over and over again from scratch. He will finish his R700 drivers, soon. Time doesn't go back, much work has been done, they will build upon it.

[Piru]

He will finish his R700 drivers, soon.

Did you ask him about this or are you just hoping he will finish his drivers soon? Most developers don't like someone else speaking for them or making promises in their behalf. IIRC Hans isn't going to do 3D drivers at all, but 2D.

The mystical 3D support is nowhere to be seen. There have been talks about ditching Warp3D in behalf of Mesa for years, but AFAIK nothing tangible has come out of it.

[dammy]

Usabilty will be up and running soon worry not, and about the time it takes to develop 3D drivers, Hans De Ruiter  responded to Fab asking the same question a few months back like this: the good thing about writing them for a family of similar cards (ATIR500/600/700) is that you don't have to do them over and over again from scratch. He will finish his R700 drivers, soon. Time doesn't go back, much work has been done, they will build upon it.

It's hard to point to it's being usable at this stage and even harder to make AROS look less usable.  Given it MIGHT be by the end of the year for retail machines to appear, that's a whole lot of time for both OSs to move forward.  And as I thought, OS4 does not have 2D or 3D drivers currently.  

Other then OS4, why would an Amiga person want a 1500+ GBP system when a eMac or Imica would do for a fraction of the price?  That's a massive price jump just to run OS4 and associated apps.

[Karlos]

And as I thought, OS4 does not have 2D or 3D drivers currently.  

2D/3D drivers for what? I take it you mean the R500+ ?

[DAX]

@piru
OS4 developers confirmed Hans is working with them on the X1000 R700 drivers (aside from his old personal project).

[dammy]

2D/3D drivers for what? I take it you mean the R500+ ?

For any gfx card.

[Karlos]

For any gfx card.

I can only assume by "2D/3D" you mean "unified" drivers in which a single driver provides access to both 2D and 3D features of the display hardware. Otherwise your statement makes no sense.

[dammy]

I can only assume by "2D/3D" you mean "unified" drivers in which a single driver provides access to both 2D and 3D features of the display hardware. Otherwise your statement makes no sense.

Let me rephrase it then, "What specific gfx card(s) out there that has OS4 2D/3D driver(s) for it?"  I don't care who made it or what model, or interface.

[Karlos]

Let me rephrase it then, "What specific gfx card(s) out there that has OS4 2D/3D driver(s) for it?"  I don't care who made it or what model, or interface.

Well it runs fine on my Radeon 9250, and ran slightly less well on my slower Radeon 7000.

Both 2D and 3D seem to work.

[takemehomegrandma]

Other then OS4, why would an Amiga person want a 1500+ GBP system when a eMac or Imica would do for a fraction of the price?  That's a massive price jump just to run OS4 and associated apps.

There is no rational reason whatsoever.

This hardware is nowhere to be seen for *at least* another half a year, question is whether it will bring anything extraordinary to the table at all, question is whether the OS will fully support its features even by then, but since it's way out of reach for 99% of the potential customers anyway, it doesn't matter. As for OS4, it is completely redundant. So no, there is no rational reason whatsoever.

[djrikki]

Spot the MorphOS fanboy.  MorphOS is not Amiga at all, nor is Aros and neither should claim to be. So your signature makes no sense and how can OS4 be considered redundant when the MorphOS community (or lack there of) is even more fragmented than the real deal.

I agree about the price to a certain extent, but so annoying when people come up with unfounded statistics like 99%. =p

Happy to be in the 1%.  Anyways the price hasn't even been announced yet and maybe not as expensive as feared.  Anything can happen between now and then, I am sure A-Eon and Hyperion are always on the hunt for investors with capital.

If people love the Amiga so much they should put their money where their mouth is and invest in the company and buy one.

Until we know price for sure, there is little point talking about it.

[Piru]

MorphOS is not Amiga at all, nor is Aros

That's your opinion. Many don't share it.

[redrumloa]

Until we know price for sure, there is little point talking about it.

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=31869&forum=33&start=100&viewmode=flat&order=0#566219

No confusion about the price at all.

Amiga1Productions  YouTube video allows you to see the answer yourself;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EaSN3IuZII

at  5:20 into the video the exchange ls;

Question : "How much is it  gonna cost?"
Answer : "I dunno, I really don't know. It's gonna be  north of £1,500. Definatly. It can't be any cheaper"