Just thought I'd post my previous email corresponfance with BBRV as
that's what people seem to be doing here at the moment. I doubt much
of it is relevant but it might make some interesting reading for you.
At one point they say they need smart people like me on the team, I
found this quite amusing because they didn't really have a clue who I
wwas or what I do for a living. Of course really it was just flattery
to try and get me to buy a Pegasos board.
Also somewhere in there they suggest that I could try to get OS4
working on the Pegasos.
Anyway have fun reading it.
Hello Raquel
On 08-Jun-02, you wrote:
> Hi Robert, well if we can do it than certainly you can too!
>
>
>
> Do you understand what we are saying? We do not have anything against
> Amiga Inc. or Hyperion. We tried to work with them. Contrary to what
> they have stated, MorphOS is not derived from illegally obtained source
> code. The legal process will demonstrate this falsehood and it will
> happen soon. If they do not start the process already does it not make
> you pause and think? If they don't do it then we may anyway just to
> shut them up.
>
> We do not need Amiga Inc. or any of thei IP. We certainly do not need
> Ben Hermans!
>
> Thanks for your interest!
>
> R&B
>
> On Friday, June 7, 2002, at 05:15 PM, Robert E Mattin wrote:
>
>> Hello Bill,
>>
>> Here's my Email, I didn't want a million hate mails from some of the
>> more
>> rabid users.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Robert Mattin
>>
>>
>
>
Regards
Hello Raquel
On 06-Nov-02, you wrote:
> Hi Robert,
>
> Thanks for your thoughtful email. We appreciate the time and effort it
> took to write.
>
> Please see our responses below...
>
>
> On Saturday, April 20, 2002, at 06:17 AM, Robert E Mattin wrote:
>
>> Hello Raquel and Bill
>>
>> I have tried to be more impartial on the forums since your original
>> email.
>> However sometimes I see comments that try to discredit the efforts that
>> Amiga Inc/Hyperion/Eyetech are making for the Amiga community.
>> Sometimes
>> when you are passionate about something it is hard not get drawn into
>> the
>> petty arguments that occur in the Amiga community no matter how
>> objective
>> you try to be.
>
> We understand. Did you see our last post on this thread:
>
>
http://amiga.org/forums/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3961&forum=1&28>
> Initially, we sent Robert an email directly after he posted some ####
> on another amiga.org thread. In the end we think it sorted out pretty
> well. If people can respect other opinions and intelligent dialogue
> can reign this community has a future (both sides).
>
>>
>> At the time of our original correspondance I saw the MorphOS/Amiga
>> split as
>> a continuation of the PowerUP/WarpUP split that caused so much
>> conflict,
>> despair and damage within the Amiga community. I'm sure that the
>> market
>> would have been a lot healthier had things been resolved earlier on.
>> This
>> is the main reason I am so concerned about the current situation.
>
> This is true. It was the same kind of thing. But, honestly, we are
> happy to sell a Pegasos to anyone, no problem. They could probably
> develop OS4 alot more easily with a Pegasos.
>
>>
>> When I was at the show I tried to run a couple of Hyperion's games to
>> get
>> indication of what G3 hardware would offer in the way of performance
>> compared to my current A1200 PPC 210Mhz. Unfortunately I was unable
>> to
>> get them to work because of missing Rave3D drivers for Radeon and also
>> ChunkyPPC library was missing when I tried software rendering. This
>> along
>> with stability issues, left me with a somewhat bad impression of
>> MorphOS
>> and I have probably mentioned it in posts since the show. Other than
>> that
>> I am probably quite well behaved on the forums, mainly trying to just
>> point
>> out the facts when I think people are wrong about something.
>
> Well, remember, it is still in Beta and there are plenty of things to
> do besides Quake...;-)
>
> We showed something that does work -- NOT perfectly -- but, in
> comparison you have to agree much further advanced.
>
>>
>> I actually went to the show with Bobson and Axeman and to be honest
>> Bobson
>> seemed very open minded onb the way to the show. I think seeing the
>> Thendic team dressed up in suits set off some sort of alarm bells
>> within
>> him. He suddenly seemed to be very biased towards Thendic and MorphOS.
>
> Well, you can see that has all be sorted out. We have traded a few
> emails with Robert and really hope he has a successful first week on
> the new job.
>
> About the suits: you know our mentality is to dress like that out of
> respect to our potential customers...it has nothing to do with being
> "slick."
>
>>
>> As for me I am going to get an AmigaOne and OS4. I would probably have
>> considered a Pegasos but it seemed too uncertain as to wether OS4
>> would be
>> available. Maybe one day I might get MorphOS but for now OS4 is my
>> first
>> choice. I would certainly prefer not to have to buy Windows or Mac
>> (which
>> I consider a worse choice than Windows). I have also tried MorphOS on
>> my
>> A1200 but it doesn't really work very well with the Mediator busboard.
>> I
>> noticed that you seemed very interested in the Mediator systems at the
>> show
>> they really are quite impressive when you consider how old the A1200
>> design
>
> How about this:
>
> We will offer you a board with CPU for 400 Euros (not including tax)
>
> If you want us to configure it in a certain way we can discuss this (at
> a very attractive price).
>
> What we actually need now is a different kind of "betatester." We need
> intelligent users who understand computers and can accurately identify
> problems and potential fixes. We need people to test and try things.
>
>
>> is.
>>
>> I look forward to hearing from you.
>
> We would like you to join the team and OF COURSE, you can try to get
> OS4 running on it when it is ready!
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 08-Jun-02, you wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Robert, well if we can do it than certainly you can too!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you understand what we are saying? We do not have anything against
>>> Amiga Inc. or Hyperion. We tried to work with them. Contrary to what
>>> they have stated, MorphOS is not derived from illegally obtained
>>> source
>>> code. The legal process will demonstrate this falsehood and it will
>>> happen soon. If they do not start the process already does it not
>>> make
>>> you pause and think? If they don't do it then we may anyway just to
>>> shut them up.
>>>
>>> We do not need Amiga Inc. or any of thei IP. We certainly do not
>>> need
>>> Ben Hermans!
>>>
>>> Thanks for your interest!
>>>
>>> R&B
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 7, 2002, at 05:15 PM, Robert E Mattin wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Bill,
>>>>
>>>> Here's my Email, I didn't want a million hate mails from some of the
>>>> more
>>>> rabid users.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>>
>>>> Robert Mattin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> Robert Mattin.
>>
>>
>> P.S. is it really to late for you guys to come to an agreement. I
>> know that
>> there are a lot of factors involved and and not everyone in the MorphOS
>> team want to come to an agreement. To some extent you're hands are
>> probably tied but things would be better if everyone worked together.
>>
>> If you share this view then keep trying to work at it.
>
> We will don't worry. We are actually hoping that the thread Robert
> started may lead somewhere positively to bring the two groups together.
>
> Best regards and thanks again for the email,
>
> Raquel and Bill
>
>
>
Regards
Hello Raquel
On 07-Nov-02, you wrote:
> Hi Robert!
>
> See our notes below...
>
> On Tuesday, January 3, 1978, at 11:59 PM, Robert E Mattin wrote:
>
>> Hello Raquel and Bill
>>
>> On 06-Nov-02, you wrote:
>>
>>> How about this:
>>>
>>> We will offer you a board with CPU for 400 Euros (not including tax)
>>>
>>> If you want us to configure it in a certain way we can discuss this
>>> (at
>>> a very attractive price).
>>>
>>> What we actually need now is a different kind of "betatester." We
>>> need
>>> intelligent users who understand computers and can accurately identify
>>> problems and potential fixes. We need people to test and try things.
>>>
>>
>> This is a very generous offer and I am seriously considering it.
>
> Good, you think about it. We can break the payments down into two
> months if you need at little help with that. As we said, we need smart
> guys working with the system and you qualify...;-)
>
>> I have
>> already budgeted for an A1 on the basis of not having any work but that
>> involves partly dismantling my A1200 for It's Voodoo 3 and a hardrive.
>> I
>> have already committed to making this purchase.
>> A meeting tommorrow should guarantee 3 weeks of paid work between now
>> and
>> christmas but really I need to get a steady job before before I can
>> make a
>> final decision on this matter. I also have a car that needs to be
>> taxed
>> and put through It's MOT test this month.
>>
>>>
>>> We will don't worry. We are actually hoping that the thread Robert
>>> started may lead somewhere positively to bring the two groups
>>> together.
>>>
>
> Hey, see what happened an ANN? Check out the "Rant" from AmiFan and
> all the comments -- even Ralph Schmidt posted.
>
>>
>> The amiga community definately has to be brought together for success
>> of the
>> platform. If I were a prospective new user and I saw some the posts on
>> ann.lu and amiga org I would probably be put off by all the nonsense.
>
> Here we agree COMPLETELY!
>
>> I
>> also beleive that Thendic and Amiga Inc working together would
>> strengthen
>> the market and could make the difference between success and failure.
>> Of
>> course the main obstacle here is Amiga Inc's objection to MorphOS this
>> has
>> got to be the greatest challenge. Of course if Amiga and Thendic were
>> to
>> build some sort of alliance most disputes within the community would
>> simply
>> cease.
>
> We think Amiga Inc. is about to go into hibernation permanently. In
> the meanwhile, Hyperion will be left carrying the only true Amiga
> banner. We do not feel Eyetech really is because the truth is that the
> Teron is the AmigaOne. The BIOS differences do not make it another
> board. OK, that is our opinion. Anyway, if you think it would help we
> could offer Hyperion a Pegasos if they agree to port OS4 to the
> platform. With Amiga Inc. out of the way this could be possible. What
> do you think of something like this:
>
> "The Thendic/bplan Team would like to announce that they will gladly
> provide Pegasos mainboards to Hyperion OS4 Developers to insure that
> the new OS will have a dedicated hardware platform for the future."
>
> We should probably wait to announce this until after Mai announces we
> are their new systems integration partner -- EXCLUSIVELY. (That is
> still a secret, but you will see the details soon).
>
>>
>>
>>> Best regards and thanks again for the email,
>>
>> Thank you too for your email and also for showing that you do care
>> about the
>> Amiga community.
>
> We do!
>
>>
>>> Raquel and Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Robert Mattin.
>>
>>
>> P.S. I will be contacting Amiga Inc and other parties with regards to
>> co-operation in the community. You can't just hope things will turn
>> out
>> for the best sometimes you've got to get involve yourself. I will
>> probably
>> be throwing more questions at you in the new future.
>
> OK, you do that and post something positive on the ANN thread we
> mentioned and let's keep the positive momentum spirit going!
>
> Email us anytime -- sometimes it just takes longer to answer...;-)
>
> Best regards,
>
> Raquel and Bill
>
>
Regards
Hello Raquel
On 07-Nov-02, you wrote:
> Hi Robert, how do you like this ANN post (please help us get the word
> out and make a positive comment):
>
> Exclusive interview with Ben Hermans! : Comment 2 of 2
> Posted by Raquel and Bill (212.198.0.93) on 07-Nov-2002 06:06:58
>
> As a caveat to this interview, and in the positive and constructive
> spirit that seems to be flowing back into this community (see AmiFan
> "Rant" below), we would like to offer Hyperion a Pegasos with our
> complements.
>
> When Ben Hermans visited Thendic-France in February 2002 we provided
> him with CyberStormPPC documentation in hope of assisting with the OS4
> development and we took him to lunch. If Ben is willing to come back,
> we will take him to lunch again and give him a Pegasos. As the Pegasos
> was developed by the same team that developed the CyberStormPPC, it
> seems the least we can do.
>
> We hope that this will insure that OS4 is ready for the Pegasos and
> that this gesture may in some way assist Hyperion in advancing the
> development, which when completed will be welcomed by many Amigans.
>
> We hope this makes our position clear.
>
> @Ben
>
> We have a Pegasos for you. Please come pick it up and let's bring this
> community back together!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Raquel Velasco and Bill Buck
Regards
