A-EON Technology: Introducing Tabor and the A1222

[OlafS3]

Possible other thought...

UlimatePPC /040 project...everyone complained about this ppc chip issue at the time too. (no support and "wrong" ppc chip) so it didn't happen.

But after OS4.1 is ported over to the A1222, won't that mean the UlimatePPC project
would have the support it didn't have before and we with 4000/3000 could have "NEW"
ppc /040 cards???

I am not a hardware expert and only guessing but I do not think that. The adaptions needed for Tabor would need also done for Ultimate if it uses different commands or also has FPU problems. And that means someone has to pay for it (and for the needed drivers).

[OlafS3]

Yes, in theory, most of the huge amount of work to support the dual core P1022 would also support the single core P1013. I believe the non-standard FPU is the same for both.

if a-eon pays for it why should they give it for free? it would make the ultimate card more expensive

[OlafS3]

@rednova

-moviesetter

I don't think so, but database over compatible software is lacking.

-disney animation studio

I don't think so, but database over compatible software is lacking.

http://intuitionbase.com/ossoftware.php?category=2&letter=d

My guess is that it will hard to get it working, from time to time you find a gem that works, but most often you end up with UAE, as fallback.

If only the source code was available.

-aladdin 4d

I think A-EON, has that source code, don't know who is working on it or when it going to done.

-deluxe paint 4

With a lot hacks and tricks, you can get Deluxe Paint working somehow.
You are better off using PPaint that has native AmigaOS4 version.
Or if your desperate you can run it in UAE, this might be better way.

-brilliance

No

-Amos professional

There was project called XAMOS, to make AMOS for NG Systems, sadly the developer who worked on XAMOS died unexpected. I don't know if the source code is available or not.

I started on similar project many years ago; the source is a poor state, the project sort of died because I was really just interested in getting on of old program working. So I started re implementing AMOS, but as work progressed, it did not make sense to emulate AMOS, nor did it make sense to write my program in the same way as I did back then. So the AMOS idea was abandoned, as well, as original idea to port the program as it was.

One obvious issue I run into, is that does not make sense to emulate AGA on RTG system, at cost of lower resolutions, colors, and speed. And it did not make sense to make modern AMOS, that was not compatible. I guess that is way it died, as well as fact; it was never the end goal.

Anyway if the idea is make makes it easier to make games by suing some simple commands, then there is SDL and Allegro. That do provided commands that easy to program to make games.

XAMOS is opensource

http://sourceforge.net/projects/xamos/

[OlafS3]

Well, depends on your point of view.

Ive wondered why they went with PPC instead of x86.
Ssolie's explaination when it comes to his personal intrest in the OS seems fair enough, if not very efficient.

I have read 2 comments from Ben H. and one of the Friedens with the same justification... BeOS has failed because of running on X86 and there people compared it with Windows and did not use it. Their idea was when AmigaOS runs on a different hardware that would not happen. My view is different... BeOS did not fail because of X86 but because of missing software and people ALWAYS compare the alternatives, it is a illusion to believe that this not happens because of using exotic hardware. Now AmigaOS runs on expensive weak hardware and people still compare it and do not buy it. I do not think it was a wise decision. Perhaps PPC seemed a good thing around 1995 when all started but it was wrong 2003/2004 and is even more so 2015/2016. The problem is... because of no resources they cannot change direction anymore.

[OlafS3]

@BeOS

- BeOS failed when they tried to ship their own HW (the BeBOX)
- BeOS failed when they tried to replace MacOS as the default OS on Macs shipping at that time
- BeOS failed when they tried to take MS headon by negotiating with OEMs over shipping PCs bundled with BeOS !!!instead!!! of Windows

Be never tried to slowly build up a userbase by just shipping a good OS at a reasonable price for easy to get HW and is therefore 100% irrelevant when discussing an x86 port of any legacy OS.

I agree that hardware was not the reason but that is how Hyperion justifies PPC instead of X86 (if people interested I could search for the links, I read it two times, one from Ben H., one time from one of the Friedens)

[OlafS3]

this is what I found:
http://anna.amigazeux.org/detail.php?category=forum&file=0996487745.msg

"Both Beos and Linux serve as a stern warning about what happens if you  try to compete with Windows on the same hardware: you become relegated  to a Windows add-on product without any native software to speak of."

"The reason is simple: why would a software company invest money in  porting its software to another x86 OS when  it knows people can also  boot into Windows or run an «emulator» like Wine or VMWare which allows  you to run Windows software under Linux x86 at near native speeds? The  costs could never be recuperated through sales."

[OlafS3]

this is what I found:
http://anna.amigazeux.org/detail.php?category=forum&file=0996487745.msg

"Both Beos and Linux serve as a stern warning about what happens if you  try to compete with Windows on the same hardware: you become relegated  to a Windows add-on product without any native software to speak of."

and now? Who develops now software for AmigaOS and not for Windows?

[OlafS3]

So basically in layman's terms when/if PowerPC dies then OS4 dies with it?

Is the licence for any Power ISA processor or specifically the PowerPC?  Mind you, I can't see it being ported to IBM Power 8 hardware but it would be cool if it was.

X8000 - the workstation for the classes? You just need to make debts for it you need 20 years to repay?`:lol:

[OlafS3]

Hmmmm, How do you know?
Nothing is set in stone.

because he is member of the MorphOS team and knows the internal discussions?