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Offline zacman

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Re: OS4, When ?
« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2003, 11:37:44 PM »
>I was under the impression that Hyperion owned
>the full rights to AOS4. In fact, Ben himself has said
>that because of this, AOS4 could go on, even if
>worst came to worst and AInc folded.

Well that was the case when Hyperion still had
ThridParty projects that gave them a little money.
However it's likely that Hyperion can't afford to work
on OS4 for several months and pay all their full time
developers (3) with own cash. Therefore they have
to do Thirdparty projects which then delays OS4.
Therefore it *could be* that Hyperion asked Amiga
Inc. "Ok, if you want OS4 out "soon", pay us, or it'll
get delayed even more". Maybe Amiga Inc. has then
accepted this new deal, but because Amiga Inc. isn't
able to pay them Hyperion has to delay OS4. I'd like
to remind you that for the very same reason (Amiga
Inc. not paying H&P) OS4 has already failed one
time. Wouldn't wonder if history repeats.

On the other hand Mr Gutjahr said that someone of
Hyperion informed him that OS4 is progressing well
today, so that he comes to the impression that
Amiga Inc. is telling BS. SO I guess it's best just to
wait for Cebit and the OS4 version that Hyperion
announced to show there. March 12th-19th will be
an interesting week :)

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Re: OS4, When ?
« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2003, 12:00:28 AM »
Thats exactly my thoughts, just had someone on my IRC channel that didnt seem to understand and kept pushing the rumor, and yes he is a pegasus owner...
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Re: OS4, When ?
« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2003, 12:07:25 AM »
>Thats exactly my thoughts, just had someone on
>my IRC channel that didnt seem to understand and
>kept pushing the rumor, and yes he is a pegasus
>owner...

I only see Pegasos owners around here... But
anyway quite interesting that you're saying that Paul
Qureshi and the HAUG are only spreading rumours
with their posting .
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Re: OS4, When ?
« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2003, 12:22:39 AM »
Read this interview with Thomas Frieden.....

interview

This was posted on 13th feb, the emails the interview is based on were made between the 22-27 January.
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Re: OS4, When ?
« Reply #33 on: February 18, 2003, 02:55:10 AM »
@zacman:

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On the other hand Mr Gutjahr said that someone of Hyperion informed him that OS4 is progressing well


If you're gonna quote me, do it correctly please ;-)

What I said was that I spoke to someone at Hyperion who's estimation was far more optimistic than "OS4 may well not be ready at April 26th" (that's what Fleecy is said to have stated) and I also noted that "OS4 is ready" can have a lot of different meanings in this context (ready to demonstrate, ready to sell...).

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so that he comes to the impression that Amiga Inc. is telling BS.


I simply doubted that Fleecy really stated that "OS4 is delayed because Amiga Inc. can't pay Hyperion". If he did, he is telling BS IMHO, but I doubt that he did.

I can imagine a reason why Fleecy mentioned Amiga's lack of money to an Amiga user (they're still not listed as a Cebit exhibitor...), but that reason is certainly not a potential OS4 delay.
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Re: OS4, When ?
« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2003, 11:10:53 AM »
maybe they are actually in finishing stages...

In a little post, one of the Frieden brothers said that there was quite a lot to report on the OS4 development.

Maybe they aren't taking any risks and will remain completely silent until it is completely finished.

time will tell...
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Re: OS4, When ?
« Reply #35 on: February 18, 2003, 11:22:10 AM »
Correct me if I am wrong but I am sure that it was stated on a show last your that OS4 would be out before x-mas 2002. Could have been the Cyberstorm version. But something like that was said.

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Re: OS4, When ?
« Reply #36 on: February 18, 2003, 04:28:48 PM »
>>Correct me if I am wrong but I am sure that it was stated on a show last your that OS4 would be out before x-mas 2002. Could have been the Cyberstorm version. But something like that was said. <<

Yes thats true, but they also said that they'll release OS4 just 3 month after starting development on it (November 2001).

However, it seems that OS4 is actually on hold due to non-payment by Amiga Inc. Refer to the link zacman provided..

(before anyone asks: Yes it was announced that Hyperion will release it by themself while Amiga Inc. only has an option to buy it back after)
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Re: OS4, When ?
« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2003, 04:41:01 PM »
> but that reason is certainly not a potential OS4
>delay.

Well from the given information in the interview with
Thomas Frieden, it's not unlikely that the contracts
have changed:

"It[OS4]'s *not* our product. We're just developing.
(...) Remember that Hyperion Entertainment is only
the developer of OS4. (...) believe me that I am not
very happy with what Amiga does from time to
time... However, AmigaOS is still theirs,
we are only developing it. (...)"

So no wonder he's not happy with Amiga when they
don't pay Hyperion.
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Re: OS4, When ?
« Reply #38 on: February 18, 2003, 04:42:03 PM »
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SlimJim wrote:

@et al
 
At any rate,  I find the statement that AInc "hasn't yet
payed Hyperion for completing AOS4" a little odd. I was
under the impression that Hyperion owned the full rights to
AOS4. In fact, Ben himself has said that because of this,
AOS4 could go on, even if worst came to worst and AInc
folded. The fact that Hyperion has ALREADY had to do
some other contractual work "on the side" (thus slowing the
development of AOS4) has always indicated (to me) that
they carried all the economical risk themselves. Isn't this
what so many have bashed AInc for, they not having a
financial stake in development?
 
And now suddenly, AOS4 need the money from AInc:s
Microsoft deal to be completed. Either something has
changed a lot behind the scenes lately, or something is
wrong with this *rumor*.
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SlimJim


Perhaps we mis-read the original statements.  or we did not dig too deeply into the various "deals" AInc's gotten involved in.  Perhaps it was all a big lie to appease the masses.  

But the point comes down to, AOS4 is not coming, for whatever reasons.  Possibly Amiga, Inc was contracting Hyperion (which would fit with the fact that all docs on the project are on amiga.com and not hyperion's homepage) the whole time, with a clause to allow them to take-over should AInc fold.  So an interesting situation we're in.

So guys, how much you willing to wager on AOS4 being ready end of March?
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Re: OS4, When ?
« Reply #39 on: February 18, 2003, 04:53:35 PM »
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However, it seems that OS4 is actually on hold due to non-payment by Amiga Inc

Huh? Why do Amiga Inc need to pay anything?
(to the tune of the Monty Python 'SPAM' song) FUD,FUD,FUD,FUD,FUD,FUD,FUD,FUD,FUD,FUD,FUD,FUD.
This current environment is like being surrounded by fish - 3 minute memories all around me.
Christ sakes people. Steffen Heuser(MagicSN) only said as recently as Feb 1st that he was working on OS4 as well as the Friedens and was working full-time on the project. A call come out recently for translators for OS4. WTF would we need translators (with signed NDA's), if the OS was suspended?

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Re: OS4, When ?
« Reply #40 on: February 18, 2003, 05:04:59 PM »
Maybe you should read the links i refer to..
( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amiga_sa/message/13754 )
please also keep in mind that i directly said, that following previous announcements Hyperion would work independantly from Amiga Inc. Which they do not.

The Fact:

"However, last week Amiga made it clear that OS4 may well not be ready by April 26th [...]. They are still waiting for money from their Microsoft deal, with which to pay Hyperion to work on OS4. In the mean time, Hyperion must concentrate on other projects to bring money in."

and finally the excuse:

"They delay, in case you are interested, is supposedly because the manufacturers of the cartridges that the Amiga Anywhere games are to ship on has not actually manufactured any yet."
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Re: OS4, When ?
« Reply #41 on: February 18, 2003, 07:07:04 PM »
Well.. I'll expect AmigaInc to spin something positive even from this.  :-D
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Re: OS4, When ?
« Reply #42 on: February 18, 2003, 07:07:37 PM »
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logain wrote:
[...]

The Fact:

"However, last week Amiga made it clear that OS4 may well not be ready by April 26th [...]. They are still waiting for money from their Microsoft deal, with which to pay Hyperion to work on OS4. In the mean time, Hyperion must concentrate on other projects to bring money in."
[...]


 
No. Not fact. When this is written by the hand of Fleecy
himself, it can be considered fact. When Ben Hermans
states this, it can be considered fact. For now, it is a
statement on a mailinglist. It's a rumor.
 
It's a disturbing rumor, one might even call it a unusually
well credited rumor.
But a fact, it is not.
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Re: OS4, When ?
« Reply #43 on: February 18, 2003, 07:13:23 PM »
I just did a Google search for CeBIT (English) and seached CeBIT's Web page for "Hyperion "  Search returned:

Found 1 of 1

Hyperion Solutions Deutschland
GmbH

Location: Hall 4, Stand A04
 
Partner at: IBM
D-70569 Stuttgart
Hall 4, Stand A04

Bob C.
 
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Re: OS4, When ?
« Reply #44 from previous page: February 18, 2003, 07:18:07 PM »
@BobC
 
Unfortunately, that's another Hyperion. "Ours" is called Hyperion Entertainment - an important distinction.
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