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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga Hardware News => Topic started by: Kees on August 12, 2003, 10:46:14 PM
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Update: Ben Hermans confirms via E-mail that the whole Micro ATX board is a hoax. There will be a Mini ITX board next to the existing AmigaOne, but no other hardware is planned at this moment.
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good news :-D
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I'd prefer to see something more solid before I get too excited.
Zoltan
(an Amiga, eh?)
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Does the homepage (www.atiosys.com) work?
Can't resolv the address...
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THIS would be the board to build into one of NovaDesigns/Retrosystem's A1000 cases! (microATX is the right spec, right?) An all-in-one 1200 casedesign would be even better, but that would have to be designed ground up.
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Considering that the address still doesn't work, and that confirmation is therefore still hindered somewhat, I would have a question for the moderation staff.
Earlier today, when I tried to submit this same story, it was rejected for lack of confirmability and I was told to keep an eye on it. Now I find this story posted with someone else's name on it.
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Ben Hermans said on ANN: "As I mentioned in Sacramento, they are involved in the production of AmigaOne machines."
I think thats conformation enough.
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nice another board so soon .
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Well, then the question is....
Is there going to be rift between Hyperion and Eyetech now? Is there a licence fee to Eyetech for the dongle now? How will they be priced when produced? How much longer before OS4? Will envoy work correctly between MorphOS and OS4?
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@Kees
Not necessarily, nor even logical. They are involved in the production, but they do it under contract for those boards called AmigaONE. Until Eyetech has signed an agreement with them for this new motherboard of theirs, it's just a theoretical idea. I highly suspect that they will sign it and soon, however.
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All I have been able to confirm is that
Taiwanese webmasters can't spell the word
career
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heard about this 3 months ago, have pictures even. , so if this is fake.... then they worked hard ...
price will hopefully be lite also!.
also all specs was posted a few months back...
cheers
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@lempkee: remember that the ATX != Lite
There was 3 slides in Alans presentation, one for an ATX version and 2 for the Lite (I think, could be vice-versa)
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Why would there be a license fee to Eyetech for a dongle? The "dongle" is just a bunch of bits burned into the flashrom of the AmigaOne, and was written by Hyperion. I fail to see why Eyetech would need money from someone to make an AmigaOne... :-?
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Site works fine for me, but I didnt see any mention of this board. They have some nice stuff. I've seen mediator systems using one of the PCI style cards they make on them. That would be a nice way to go. A PPC PCI board that just fits in the Mediator and can run its own stuff in the same case.
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@ olegil
There was 3 slides in Alans presentation, one for an ATX version and 2 for the Lite (I think, could be vice-versa)
Perhaps you mean the MicroATX? :-P 8-)
I saw those slides too, the slides are obviously real, but is this announcement real too? I have not seen anything about this from the "official" sources. Let's just hope that you are not just falling for a hoax that exploits those slides.
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Lets hope this eventuates, i was going to wait for AOS on peg so i could fit it into a small custom designed and built box. Seeing that the likelyhood of that would have been slim considering the rift, it looks like my wants may be fullfilled... Im off to search for more info.
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Would somebody please change the news text.
The A1-lite is a mini-ITX board not a micro-ATX board.
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The A1-Lite is a Mini-ITX board, yes, but this doesn't say A1-Lite ...
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Well it did, which is why I posted above. :-)
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microATX A1? why bother!
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...........a load of hoax pocus, methinks....
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@takemehomegrandma:
*blush*
I meant MicroATX, yes
:-)
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From ANN:
ATIO System Inc., the world's leading PowerPC platform manufacturer is pleased to announce the microATX edition of the AmigaOne for Q4/2003.
.... and not one referrence to PPC-based products on their website?!
And who are these Formosa-people anyway??
Hmmmmm.....
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Be nice if this comes to fruition. ITX Amiga inside a toy Millenium Falcon, anyone? :)
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Although their webpages is down due to updating
I don't understand why they do this. Could I point them in the direction of http://www.lazycat.org/postcards/roadworks.html (http://www.lazycat.org/postcards/roadworks.html)? :-)
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Confirmed (http://ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1060781848&category=unmoderated&number=7#comment) to be a hoax.
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Someone explain me the purpose of these hoaxes please, as I cannot figure out any.
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Warface, same reason people troll in newsgroups. F'rex, there's someone who trolls the c.s.a.m NG (and has since ... 1994ish?) with a post that basically says "We're throwing away x number of amigas since they're no good to us any more" and then goes on in gristly detail about how 100 or 500 or 1000 Amiga systems were taken to a local landfill and crushed with a bulldozer, burned, smashed with hammers, or tossed into a nearby river...
The poster(s) then usually lament about how "We tried to get rid of them but nobody wanted to take them! They really are junk!"
They inevitably catch a few people who'll wail and moan about it...and then someone who's been on the NG a while will point out that the same message gets posted every eighteen months or so, and that way back when it was first posted, someone from the alleged area in Canada where this "tragedy" (didn't) occur(ed) confirmed that there was no such company by the name of the "offenders", nor was there any such landfill etc.
So why do they do it? To twist people's tails.
edit: Something somewhat like this did happen to me...buddy of mine (hi, Gregg!) is a film editor/CGI guy and when he was working on Dinosaur out in Los Angeles, he mentioned in passing during a phone convo that a co-worker had recently given away eight or so A2000's (all "Video Toasters" remarkets from NewTek) but didn't secure me one as he didn' t think I'd want it :-( :-( :-(
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untill I see a new amiga with a new amiga os.
I will look at amiga as a hoax or as vapor ware.
Please prove me wrong.
But I am so tired of waiting and waiting, while the community gets more and more torn apart.
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Thats the AOne board I'm waiting for. Mini ITX ! :-D
My dead A1000 will have a powerhouse inside, well compared to the A1000 stock anyway ! :-P
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@wolf
it was a hoax. its not as if you'll be seeing os4 on anything soon, unless you have a cyberstorm....
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The lite's still planned for production by Eyetech :-)
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The lite's still planned for production by Eyetech
Well, Eyetech still plan to sell it, but they don't design, manufacture, or produce anything. They just re-label other people's hardware.
Mai decided to design a mini-itx board, Eyetech decided to sell it as an A1. Mai could decide not to make any boards again, and start selling jelly instead. Eyetech have absolutely no say in what products come out. They rely on Mai for everything. They buy boards from Mai, they pay $50 to Ainc, then sell them to people as "Amiga".
It really annoys me to see Eyetech contiually being credit for other people's hard work. You may as well give your local Blockbuster Video store credit for producing and directing the movies they sell.
Eyetech "Predator SE" PCI busboard (DCE G-Rex)
Eyetech "InSD2" Scan Doubler (DCE Scan doubler)
Eyetech "EZ-DF0" Floppy drive adaptor (Amiga Technologies Floppy adaptor)
Eyetech "AmigaOne" (Mai Teron CX / PX)
Eyetech "PortPlus" Serial port (VMC HyperComm)
Eyetech is a great shop, I have bought a lot of Amiga stuff from them and they were very helpful, but they do not design hardware, they do not manufacture or produce hardware - they buy it, put stickers on it, and re-sell it. That is all.
Stickers (http://www.meanmachine.ch/~vgr/predator/PREDSE1.JPG)
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AFAIK, in the case of the AmigaOne, they licensed the design, sourced a manufacturing firm, and coordinated the whole project. Sure, MAI did the design, and whoever it was did the manufacture, but if eyetech hadn't have initiated and coordinated it, the boards would not have been made in the first place. I think they can take SOME credit where this is concerned.
The statement "Eyetech still plan to produce it" is only not true on a minor technicality that only a pedant would care about; they intend to take the design from MAI, and get a subcontractor to manufacture it for them. Maybe he should say "Eyetech still plan to have it produced". If MAI started selling jelly, Eyetech could STILL have it produced if they have the license to the design.
Also, FYI, there is nothing unusual about this. Many millions of items of consumer electronics are manufactured generically and rebadged for sale, but the brand on the front of the box is responsible to QA, warrantee, etc. and as far as the consumer is concerned, their TV/Video/Stereo/whatever was produced by whatever brand is on the front.
Its not a big con, its business. Note that Genesi don't design or make the Pegasos, either. bPlan design it, and DCE make it.
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@xeron
BEEEEEEEEEEEP wrong :-P
a)bPlan = Genesi-Germany
b)The machines at DCE are owned by Genesi/bPlan, and operated by bPlan
when Pegs are produced.
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OK, fair enough. My main point stands, though.
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It's called an OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) license, they're quite common.
Half the CD-ROM/RW companies in the world don't actually make their drives, they just license them from companies like Plextor or Mitsumi and put their brand name on them. Only three or four monitor companies actually manufacture their own CRT tubes, most of them get them from SONY, Viewsonic, and the like. There's nothing wrong with it, and it's standard business.
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The slight difference in this case being that most monitor manufacturers don't generally approach Sony, license the design of the CRT, find their own manufacturer, organise a production run and QA testing... they just buy OEM CRTs... :-D
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@xeron
But that is not the case here either. Mai used the same plant to make the motherboards that Eyetech are now selling as the AmigaONE. The only difference is that Eyetech orders in batches of 10 at a time while Mai was doing one-board orders.
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Does this mean that the MicroATX board is scrapped? :-o
Judging from the specs in Alan Redhouses presentation, I thought it looked interesting:
A1 MicroATX:
http://amigbg.com/gallery/graak/pages/d_mvc-046f.htm
http://amigbg.com/gallery/graak/pages/d_mvc-047f.htm
A1 Lite:
http://amigbg.com/gallery/graak/pages/d_mvc-048f.htm
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Orders of 10 boards?
Where do you get that stuff?
You think it makes economic sense to ship 10 boards from Taiwan at a time especially considering that the minimum order quantity for Motorola G4's is 216?
To the best of my knowledge, A1's are shipped in batches of 200+ boards from Taiwan.
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Well economic sense is a matter of opinion....but if you are asking, could someone order 1 at a time, when the price is $800....yes....
absolutely, at a 500 dollar premium, you can eat a lot of shipping costs...you can send a board from taiwan, even one at a time for less than $100. (far less)
Nevertheless, I imagine they would order 10 boards at a time, if not more.
200, lol....thats doubtful, but lets say they do....a whole 200, I guess that sounds like a lot compared to 10, but not so much compared to 50,000 at a time.
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Well.. Anyone can oder smaller production batch and ask component placing/soldering company to keep rest of parts for next batch. It's nothin new of revolutionary... In case you didn't know about it ...
About Aone making.. I don't know what they have been doing but based on that hoax ... Well you don't seem to know all what's cooking either.. :-P
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@HyperionMP:
Nate's just yanking your chain - the postage alone would make shipping boards 10 at a time impossible
@Downix:
Oh, behave!
(http://cinema.ines.ro/filme/pictures/austinpowersingoldmember1.jpg)
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Who cares if they didnt design it? I dont. Do you think anyone cares? The fact is, they wanted to bring the Amiga community quality hardware, and they did.
I dont see any problems if they had designed it or not. I think Eyetech diserves all the credit they get. At least we've got a new computer to talk about now. Thats something we didnt have for 10 years (with or without OS4)
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>200, lol....thats doubtful
It is actually 216 per batch.
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>200, lol....thats doubtful
It is actually 216 per batch.
Hmm, interesting. 16 to keep for warranty reasons for every batch of 200 to be sold?
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Like I said, that is the minimum order quantity of G4 CPU's you can get for Motorola.
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Man.. you are hilarious :-P
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@HyperionMP
And what does that have to do with the price of tea in china?
Genesi ordered over 1000 G3's and over 200 G4's, but have only made half into computers so far. The rest are in their nice shipping packages, ready to be assembled into Peg II's.
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Warface wrote:
Someone explain me the purpose of these hoaxes please, as I cannot figure out any.
So trolls can poke fun at us!
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@DanDude
A more logical assumption is ill-timed good intentions.
A great example being the t-shirt hoax from a few weeks ago.
A bunch of well-meaning folk wanted to "keep the faith alive" so they perpetuated a hoax. Same thing was done here. Reminds me of these villages in south america that claim "Virgin Mary" sightings to revitalize the faith in the town, and get the catholic church to recognize them.
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Hmm, interesting. 16 to keep for warranty reasons for every batch of 200 to be sold?
I think you mixed up Eyetech with Genesi, it's the Pegasos board that needed to be exchanged some times (and still does for G4).
Ciao, Alfred
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Genesi ordered over 1000 G3's and over 200 G4's, but have only made half into computers so far. The rest are in their nice shipping packages, ready to be assembled into Peg II's.
It seems, some people are able to sell the stuff they are producing, others don't; so what's your point?
Ciao, Alfred
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Genesi ordered over 1000 G3's and over 200 G4's, but have only made half into computers so far. The rest are in their nice shipping packages, ready to be assembled into Peg II's.
If the pegosis 2 ever arrives. :-?
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@Serpi
Selling what?
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I think you mixed up Eyetech with Genesi, it's the Pegasos board that needed to be exchanged some times (and still does for G4).
Normally, the chips should be checked for faults before being built into a board. Presumably the extra 16 are Motorola's way of avoiding niggling warranty exchanges. However that does suggest a chip failure rate of 8% on leaving the factory. Eurgh.