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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Louis Dias on April 28, 2011, 05:29:31 PM
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http://www.natami.net/knowledge.php?b=1¬e=37264
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That wee lassie should be crowned Queen of Amigaland (sorry Cammy) she has more common sense and brains than the entire membership of A.org combined... :D
Vote Now:- Annika for Queen Of Amigaland... :)
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http://www.natami.net/knowledge.php?b=1¬e=37264
Thanks Lou :cool:
Would have like to seen some actual screenshots of WB fast/chip mem, and system info etc, But this is a Daily Diary so maybe soon.
Vote Now:- Annika for Queen Of Amigaland... :)
She is adorable has my vote :)
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Vote Now:- Annika for Queen Of Amigaland... :)
Hear, hear!
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Fucking fantastic!
I like that it has the ability to use Amiga or regular PC floppy drives to read Amiga disks. Nice feature. Plus the board is tiny!
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http://www.natami.net/knowledge.php?b=1¬e=37264
:pint:
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Good to see progress is being made!
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That wee lassie should be crowned Queen of Amigaland (sorry Cammy) she has more common sense and brains than the entire membership of A.org combined... :D
Vote Now:- Annika for Queen Of Amigaland... :)
Sorry Franko... I know you and I are often on different sides of a particular discussion and I am afraid this hasn't changed with this subject either...
My vote for Queen of Amigaland has to go to CAMMY... (Although the runnerup Princess would definitely be Annika!)
:O)
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Is it just me, or am I the only one finding my self a bit jealous of a certain little girl?
I've been a user for how many years now, then here comes this girl who's barely passed the stage of being a sperm and egg, and she gets to play with the new Amiga before me, that's just irony!!!!
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Sorry Franko... I know you and I are often on different sides of a particular discussion and I am afraid this hasn't changed with this subject either...
My vote for Queen of Amigaland has to go to CAMMY... (Although the runnerup Princess would definitely be Annika!)
:O)
That's fine, I like a good healthy debate... :)
But I know that you really fancy Cammy (and who'd blame you) especially when you found out that wasn't Cammy's amazing collection up for sale, methinks your poor wee heart was broken by that one... ;)
PS: Do I get an invite to the wedding... :)
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That's fine, I like a good healthy debate... :)
But I know that you really fancy Cammy (and who'd blame you) especially when you found out that wasn't Cammy's amazing collection up for sale, methinks your poor wee heart was broken by that one... ;)
PS: Do I get an invite to the wedding... :)
HaHa.. While it is true I fancy Cammy, my WIFE would not be overly pleased with the thought of a HAREM for yours truly. She has made it painfully clear that she does not play well in the sandbox and will not share... (Tantalizing thought THAT one)
So no wedding and thus no invite for you ...
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HaHa.. While it is true I fancy Cammy, my WIFE would not be overly pleased with the thought of a HAREM for yours truly. She has made it painfully clear that she does not play well in the sandbox and will not share... (Tantalizing thought THAT one)
So no wedding and thus no invite for you ...
That's the reason why my wifes buried at the bottom of the garden... plus I can now spend as much on Amiga's as I like without getting me head nipped... ;)
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"And after I've installed a nice backdrop image of a favorite fairy, we have a system ready to play!"
Hell yeah we do! Think I'm gonna wait for this over FPGA-AGA. Thank you eastern bunny!
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This is getting a tad creepy...Uh, can we talk about the NatAmi...
Ya, know. It'd be nice if they sent out review boards. Just saying.
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This is getting a tad creepy...Uh, can we talk about the NatAmi...
Ya, know. It'd be nice if they sent out review boards. Just saying.
We waz talkin about the NatAmi... and little girls and wives/exwives/deadwives and erm... fairys and Cammy... :)
Oh... think you might be right this is just a tiny wee bit of a tad creepy... :eek:
Quick... scarper... before someone call the authorities... :nervous:
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This is getting a tad creepy...Uh, can we talk about the NatAmi...
Ya, know. It'd be nice if they sent out review boards. Just saying.
It is not ready for the mass market yet. The pics there with Anika are of the second prototype board produced.
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It is not ready for the mass market yet. The pics there with Anika are of the second prototype board produced.
"second prototype board produced."
So we are a ways off yet still. Well before the end of the year, be marketable?
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@TheGoose
That's what we're aiming for.
As a correction, this is the second MX board prototyped produced. The team members will get first dibs also. The reason Anika got to play with it is that she's Gunnar's daughter.
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What's the current ballpark price for the board when it is ready?
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What's the current ballpark price for the board when it is ready?
That depends on the configuration. I think the MX board configuration will cost about 800 Euros, plus it looks like he has the 68060 turbo board which costs extra.
The only thing different between the final build of the MX board and the current build is the size of the FPGA. The factory that produces the FPGAs is in an area in Japan that got hit by the earthquake and tsunami so that's setting back the production schedule.
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That depends on the configuration. I think the MX board configuration will cost about 800 Euros when mass-produced, plus it looks like he has the 68060 turbo board which costs extra.
The only thing different between the final build of the MX board and the current build is the size of the FPGA. The factory that produces the FPGAs is in an area in Japan that got hit by the earthquake and tsunami so that's setting back the production schedule.
Hmm. 800Eus = 1182.72 USD. I just gotta sell some stuff to make it mentally easy. It is soo cool though.
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The thing with children is that they suceed with complicated things because they haven't learned that it's complicated ;)
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Nice...
800 euro sounds a bit expensive though.
If I was single with no kids it would have been a no brainer (I would then also spend lots of time here spamming forum with first post nonsense), but it is 2011 and things are a bit different.
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Hmm. 800Eus = 1182.72 USD. I just gotta sell some stuff to make it mentally easy. It is soo cool though.
Yeah, whenever you're ready to sell some of that Amiga 1000 stuff... :lol:
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@thread
SamuraiCrows figure is just a rough guesstimate for a smaller production run of boards. But yes, the component situation looks a bit grim because of what happened in Japan, and that tends to push up prices.
That would be for a version with all the bells and whistles, but there is nothing saying we won't do additional board versions with less features for cheaper end prices. Nothing is decided yet, because we are still at the development stage. But keep your eyes open, since a lot of things are happening for us right now :)
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When you consider the average price on eBay for an 060 board (£280 & upwards) then try finding a SubWay USB board (£70 and upwards) and all the other bits n bobs you'd need to match the NatAmi then to me 800 Euros is a reasonable price and I sure as hell want one of these little beauties... :)
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Hmm. 800Eus = 1182.72 USD. I just gotta sell some stuff to make it mentally easy. It is soo cool though.
It's moments like this that make Pound Sterling worth all the other crap we Brits suffer almost tolerable. :)
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I would actually not be surprised at all if our production costs per board are higher than the production costs of an X1000 board. But I dunno if that says more about A-Eon than us ;)
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My vote for Queen of Amigaland has to go to CAMMY...
Or we could compromise and vote Cammy our Amiga of Queensland! :) I bet she'd like that title too.
(Yea, I know, she's actually from Oz, but that's close enough for me. ;) )
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When you consider the average price on eBay for an 060 board (£280 & upwards) then try finding a SubWay USB board (£70 and upwards) and all the other bits n bobs you'd need to match the NatAmi then to me 800 Euros is a reasonable price and I sure as hell want one of these little beauties... :)
800 was minus an '060 card though according to the figure SamuraiCrow gave. Bare in mind though that SamuraiCrow and Forcie arent really involved in the project minus some moral support so it may be better to wait until people other than the "fan club" (for lack of a better phrase, not intended to be derogatory) speak up.
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This Easter we got a new piece of computing device
to replace our old and outdated Windows 7 and Intel-CPU IT-infrastructure.
I like that comment... Natami is going to be great... as in I want one.. I really do.
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800 was minus an '060 card though according to the figure SamuraiCrow gave. Bare in mind though that SamuraiCrow and Forcie arent really involved in the project minus some moral support so it may be better to wait until people other than the "fan club" (for lack of a better phrase, not intended to be derogatory) speak up.
Quite incorrect. We are both very much involved in the project and full team members. My current tasks involve writing testcases in assembly for compatibility testing purposes. Sam is doing misc coding tasks.
I thought I had made this very clear after answering several questions officially on behalf of the team a lot of times on Amiga.org.
It is quite misleading talking about end pricing now when we do not know how big batches we are going to make and the final price of all components. This can affect prices greatly. A better answer could be given after some kind of market research. You will get informed when it is possible to order a board.
The 060 card is optional and not needed for everyone. By the time we go for a bigger production run, the N68050 core will most likely be mature enough for acting as a main CPU without any problems.
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*self moderated*
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@fishy_fiz
You are of course free to believe what you want. I feel no need to repeat myself.
I am only in this because I want a better Natami system for myself, not because I need to prove myself to random people on forums. Nor am I making lists of who are entitled to saying "we" or not. We are all team members, although noone is working full-time on the project except Thomas.
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When you consider the average price on eBay for an 060 board (£280 & upwards) then try finding a SubWay USB board (£70 and upwards) and all the other bits n bobs you'd need to match the NatAmi then to me 800 Euros is a reasonable price and I sure as hell want one of these little beauties... :)
Yeah - lessee, 400 I spent on my 4000, then add 160 ish for a deneb.... 120+ for an Xsurf, or 300+ for a mediator board + 60 for USB card + 50 for NIC, it gets up there quick...
It's moments like this that make Pound Sterling worth all the other crap we Brits suffer almost tolerable. :)
:madashell: Or you could be stuck in the US where they think its great fun to tank the dollar. :(
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It is quite misleading talking about end pricing now when we do not know how big batches we are going to make and the final price of all components. This can affect prices greatly. A better answer could be given after some kind of market research. You will get informed when it is possible to order a board.
Hmm. I am not sure how financing of the dev work done on the Natami is handled, or if you guys have investors or what not or even how the initial run of boards will be paid for (early preorder?).
However, if you guys wanted to get the price down to more attainable levels, would someone willing to invest a decent amount of capital help you guys produce more boards thereby lowering the cost of materials and helping to drive down the cost for the end user? Or is there other issues keeping the cost rather high?
If I was to invest, say 1 million dollars, would that help the project along and enable the team to produce more boards at a far lower cost to consumers? I don't currently have that (though might be able to get it) but just curious if money is an issue for the dev team. I understand if thats something you can't speak about or simply don't know. Just curious about what it would take to get it down to well under $500. Or better yet $200 to $300.
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If I was to invest, say 1 million dollars, would that help the project along and enable the team to produce more boards at a far lower cost to consumers? I don't currently have that (though might be able to get it) but just curious if money is an issue for the dev team. I understand if thats something you can't speak about or simply don't know. Just curious about what it would take to get it down to well under $500. Or better yet $200 to $300.
Getting the price down is one thing, finding a market for the product is something else. There's no point in funding a production run so huge that you can only sell 25% of the boards, because you're then going to have to quadruple the price of each board you sell in order to make up for your huge, unsold inventory stockpile.
You may as well accept the fact that this beastie is going to cost around $800 in sellable quantities.
The good news is that you do have a choice. If you haven't got $800 then you can get a FPGA Arcade instead just like people who bought an A500 when they really wanted an A2000.
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Sorry Franko... I know you and I are often on different sides of a particular discussion and I am afraid this hasn't changed with this subject either...
My vote for Queen of Amigaland has to go to CAMMY... (Although the runnerup Princess would definitely be Annika!)
:O)
you sexist pig why cant male be a qween hehe um actually no.....
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Hmm. I am not sure how financing of the dev work done on the Natami is handled, or if you guys have investors or what not or even how the initial run of boards will be paid for (early preorder?).
However, if you guys wanted to get the price down to more attainable levels, would someone willing to invest a decent amount of capital help you guys produce more boards thereby lowering the cost of materials and helping to drive down the cost for the end user? Or is there other issues keeping the cost rather high?
If I was to invest, say 1 million dollars, would that help the project along and enable the team to produce more boards at a far lower cost to consumers? I don't currently have that (though might be able to get it) but just curious if money is an issue for the dev team. I understand if thats something you can't speak about or simply don't know. Just curious about what it would take to get it down to well under $500. Or better yet $200 to $300.
hell they marry you for that money seriosly u need make like 10 thousand to make diffrence
whouldint you ?? then go to tawain on plane find the company to make them
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Getting the price down is one thing, finding a market for the product is something else. There's no point in funding a production run so huge that you can only sell 25% of the boards, because you're then going to have to quadruple the price of each board you sell in order to make up for your huge, unsold inventory stockpile.
Getting the price down increases the market. There is even a potential to make a little return on an investment in Natami boards. Let's assume the cost is $800 for low production but if 100 investors invested $10000 the production cost would become $500 (theoretical). Now the Natami boards could be sold for $550 to allow a little return on investment and to compensate for the risk. That's a nice little 10% return for the investor and a 30%+ savings for those buying the Natami boards. Of course the exact math would have to be calculated. Investors would have to be patient waiting for the boards to sell or getting their share of boards sent to them or others of their choosing. I might send one to Dave Haynie if my share didn't sell for example ;). Several smaller investments are more likely than finding a large investment but I think broken's got the right idea.
The good for us U.S. investors is that we would get our money out of dollars. The U.S. dollar has dropped in value 10% against a basket of currencies already this year not that our president seems to have noticed. He blames big oil and speculators for the increase in gas prices when the biggest problems are risk premium from Mid East violence and the rapidly declining dollar. Oh bummer, if he had a clue about economics, maybe we wouldn't be in this mess. I'm already big in commodities but I'm always looking for ways to invest away from the dollar. Not that I would go in too big but my U.S. dollars sitting around sure look like they're headed to worthless.
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The good news is that you do have a choice. If you haven't got $800 then you can get a FPGA Arcade instead just like people who bought an A500 when they really wanted an A2000.
I kick myself for not waiting and saving till I could afford an A2000 instead of the A500 in 1990. I realized that when I got a GVPHD+8 addon sidecar 7 months later. For the price of both I could have gotten an A2000. Then the AOS 3 machines come out. No way could I save up for an A4000 in any reasonable amount of time, well over a year or years. So, I get an A1200 then World of Amiga in NYC. Commodore introduces the A4000 030 and at a price I could have afforded if I hand bought the A1200. So, now I'm much more willing to save up for what I want no matter the time it takes.
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franko you are such a kiss ass.. wow..
@ Natami team.. sounds good lets have some screenshots please, or better yet a video.
Man I wish this thing had an rgb port for genlocking :(
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1200 is totally worth it.
Where else will you get a chance like this in our lifetimes?
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I kick myself for not waiting and saving till I could afford an A2000 instead of the A500 in 1990. I realized that when I got a GVPHD+8 addon sidecar 7 months later. For the price of both I could have gotten an A2000. Then the AOS 3 machines come out. No way could I save up for an A4000 in any reasonable amount of time, well over a year or years. So, I get an A1200 then World of Amiga in NYC. Commodore introduces the A4000 030 and at a price I could have afforded if I hand bought the A1200. So, now I'm much more willing to save up for what I want no matter the time it takes.
I was lucky. I'd completed my training in the Army and I was sent on my first posting with a load of cash (there's nothing to spend your pay on when you're marching around, climbing walls and cleaning toilets with a toothbrush). My treat was to buy myself an A2000 and I never looked back. :D
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[img]http://www.natami.net/gvb/natami2_2.jpg[img]
Day2
http://www.natami.net/knowledge.php?b=1¬e=37341
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I have a question. What are we supposed to do with all this power the NatAmi will give us? Is there anything currently available that will challenge it?
P.S. The wedding has just finished and i am wasted.
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OH WOW sooo nice to see 267,529,960 graphic memory 269,121,960 other memory!!!!!!!!!!
dam nice!
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I have a question. What are we supposed to do with all this power the NatAmi will give us? Is there anything currently available that will challenge it?
P.S. The wedding has just finished and i am wasted.
Thank gawd for that... now I can switch me telly back on... :D
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@ Retro_71
Apart from all the lovely GFX mem, what about this...
but also it supports 8 voices with 16 bit samples plus 12 bit volume.
Drool... can't wait to start writing some new progs to take advantage of all these goodies... :D
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Thank gawd for that... now I can switch me telly back on... :D
GOOD GOD what day is it? I ask simply because I am on exactly the same page as FRANKO..
Damn Twilight Zone stuff I tell ya..
(Sooo friggin sick of the Royal Wedding crap.. )
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GOOD GOD what day is it? I ask simply because I am on exactly the same page as FRANKO..
Damn Twilight Zone stuff I tell ya..
(Sooo friggin sick of the Royal Wedding crap.. )
It's Royal Pass The Sick Bag And Throw A Brick Through The Telly Day... :flak:
It's still not ruddy safe to switch the TV back on, they're showing repeats/highlights & it's on every ruddy news channel, TV has been unplugged for today... :furious:
PS: I live in the Twilight Zone, so you'll usually find me here, methinks you must've took a wrong turning when you passed The Outer Limits... ;)
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It's Royal Pass The Sick Bag And Throw A Brick Through The Telly Day... :flak:
It's still not ruddy safe to switch the TV back on, they're showing repeats/highlights & it's on every ruddy news channel, TV has been
I physically ripped my Cable Box / DVR out of the wall and took it back to the cable company and told them I was cancellling the service. Permanently. This is not a joke. I really did this. I can't watch tv ever again.
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It's Royal Pass The Sick Bag And Throw A Brick Through The Telly Day...
Luckily, I don't watch TV and am half a continent and a whole ocean removed from the actual proceedings... *whew*
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I was up at 5am to watch the pomp and ceremony. Wonderful stuff. God Save The Queen... and sod off you miserable republican bastards :p
:D
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OH WOW sooo nice to see 267,529,960 graphic memory 269,121,960 other memory!!!!!!!!!!
dam nice!
Let us not forget that this is DDR2-400 memory at that running in burst mode 100% of the time. Last I heard, SAM460 is still only running at DDR2-333...
Gentlemen, start your rendering engines...
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I was up at 5am to watch the pomp and ceremony. Wonderful stuff. God Save The Queen... and sod off you miserable republican bastards :p
:D
I will take a Republic over a Monarchy any day. :p
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I was up at 5am to watch the pomp and ceremony. Wonderful stuff. God Save The Queen... and sod off you miserable republican bastards :p
:D
Bugger that... bunch of no good tax payers money stealing scroungers... :furious:
Time these ruddy half German half Greek scroungers got a real job and actually worked for a living... serve an ASBO on them... they'll be first to go to the wall when the revolution comes... (Well just after Barry anyway...)... :D
PS:Is the revolution still on for next Wednesday, as I'll need to check my schedule... (Might be having brain surgery that day...) :)
We ara peeoople... :D
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We ara peeoople... :D
Soylent Green isa peeeeople too!
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Time these ruddy half German half Greek scroungers got a real job and actually worked for a living...
Amiga.org - where threads are just as likely to veer into UK identity politics as to be about the Amiga ;)
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I will take a Republic over a Monarchy any day. :p
At this point, I'll take anyone who's actually competent.
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At this point, I'll take anyone who's actually competent.
GOOD LUCK with that one...
:O)
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GOOD LUCK with that one...
:O)
haha yes.
Im partially considering revoking my socialist beliefs and just telling people Im a monarchist.
Socialism and true democracy requires a country that aren't assholes.
Representative democracies require 50 people that aren't assholes.
A true monarchy (as opposed to modern european democracies that happen to also have a king or queen) requires 1 or 2 people that aren't assholes.
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haha yes.
Im partially considering revoking my socialist beliefs and just telling people Im a monarchist.
Socialism and true democracy requires a country that aren't assholes.
Representative democracies require 50 people that aren't assholes.
A true monarchy (as opposed to modern european democracies that happen to also have a king or queen) requires 1 or 2 people that aren't assholes.
As long as divine right doesn't play in too heavily, its a pretty easy matter of fixing the problem as well. That's why Obama haters (or Bush Jr. haters) make me laugh. You think the president does anything important? Now, if we were to upend the senate and shake all the shit out of it, we'd be left with an empty building.
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As long as divine right doesn't play in too heavily, its a pretty easy matter of fixing the problem as well. That's why Obama haters (or Bush Jr. haters) make me laugh. You think the president does anything important? Now, if we were to upend the senate and shake all the shit out of it, we'd be left with an empty building.
+1:roflmao:(and the House of Representatives)
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+1:roflmao:(and the House of Representatives)
lol - yeah I didn't include the reps because the house is the Mob. Plus, all their shenanigans end up having to go through the house for big brother approval anyhoo. The house has always been the special children. :D
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Amiga.org - where threads are just as likely to veer into UK identity politics as to be about the Amiga ;)
As long as we don't get into Canadian politics.... but hey, a Topic! Let's get back on it....
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Could anyone who owns one of the Natami betatest boards pleas release an AIBB module for it? That way we could all compare the performance of the Natami against our favourite Amigas / Amiga compatibles and emulators.
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I will take a Republic over a Monarchy any day. :p
Even a day after the second coming of Christ? ;) Personally, my faith in the USA is waning. Even with the Tea Party movement in full effect. But this is quickly turning into a coffee house thread. :hammer:
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Hmm. 800Eus = 1182.72 USD. I just gotta sell some stuff to make it mentally easy. It is soo cool though.
You are thinking about this all wrong. Gunnar's board is a prototype. I thought the question was about how much Gunnar paid for his prototype board. The final price for the MX board is not released yet. After all, the MX board hasn't gone to mass production.
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Okay, that explains a bit. Be interesting to see around what it comes out to upon release...
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I agree with Darrin. The royal wedding was awesome! Screw the republicans, they are just resentful that we kicked sir robert the bruce's arse :roflmao:
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I agree with Darrin. The royal wedding was awesome! Screw the republicans, they are just resentful that we kicked sir robert the bruce's arse :roflmao:
Oi... you little ozzie penal colonist... ra b@st@rd English never kicked oor arse it was the other way around you Royal loving little jobbie "Bannockburn 1314" look it up you Ned Kelly descendant criminal you... ;)
(Ruddy friggin Koala shaggers, no sense of history... :D)
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Hmm I'm kinda excited by this Natami board, fuck knows what I would ever do with it! Anyone recommend any good music making software for me A4k? I better get I feel an Amiga based album coming on!
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When you consider the average price on eBay for an 060 board (£280 & upwards) then try finding a SubWay USB board (£70 and upwards) and all the other bits n bobs you'd need to match the NatAmi then to me 800 Euros is a reasonable price and I sure as hell want one of these little beauties... :)
me to to run my bbs and to boot there new boards not 20 + year things you never
Know how been cared for or battery damaged
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I agree with Darrin. The royal wedding was awesome! Screw the republicans, they are just resentful that we kicked sir robert the bruce's arse :roflmao:
yes it was awsome i stayed up to nearly 1am who said romance was dead i was very pround the second kiss was cool too nice they love there fellow brits that shone through
Hopefully come out again to new zealand prince william was big hit here and very kind words to those lost family members in pike river coal mine disaster and chch quake
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Natami looks cool, I gotta have one. As for the royal wedding, errr.... We got a lot of spending cuts this year and we end up paying for this too, PAH! Great for the rest of the world, you didn't foot the bill like the British taxpayer.
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http://www.natami.net/knowledge.php?b=1¬e=37433
Day 3, games running.
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Day 4: Banshee AGA and Elite :)
http://www.natami.net/knowledge.php?b=1¬e=37524
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Day 4: Banshee AGA and Elite :)
http://www.natami.net/knowledge.php?b=1¬e=37524
Maybe this is just me, but I am rather excited that you'll be able to use floppies. Gotta find a cheap PC floppy drive or two online when the time comes.
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I know floppies are sort of dead. Amazon still sells internal and external usb units.
I will have to check to see if they still sell the original style.
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I know floppies are sort of dead. Amazon still sells internal and external usb units.
I will have to check to see if they still sell the original style.
yeah, I figure it'll involve scavenging used parts. Though I wonder if a USB floppy would work too
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I still have several floppy drives and I actually bought a few hundred sealed blank DSDD floppy disks a bit ago...
Long Live the Floppy Disk!! :-)
Thanx for the updates, looks good...
desiv
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I need to pick up a decent stash of them.
My current pile is a mix of old disks from whoknowswhen, and a small handful of HD ones from Best Buy (they were highly amused I bought 'em).
Problem is... they are dirt cheap plastic and pretty much disintegrate after a short while.
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yeah, I figure it'll involve scavenging used parts. Though I wonder if a USB floppy would work too
USB floppies won't do - to the computer they're standard USB mass storage, so the NatAmi floppy controller couldn't directly interface with them. But I'm betting any standard 3.5" floppy drive should work - you can get them in the dozens from your local recycling center for next to nothing.
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Hopefully this helps.
http://www.amazon.com/Imation-3-5IN-1-44MB-Preformatted-100-Pack/dp/B00004Z6XV/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=I10EGOLFUF8EW2&colid=3MWJ31DLDCBO1
USB appears to be main in FDD. You can find the original types.
My ex-employer sells new ones.
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Rune too bad you don't live near me i could give them to you. I have about 50 Floppy drives.
Great News since I have about 3000 Amiga Floppy disks (which i am now going thru) i have a few hundred blank DD ones but now i can use HD ones without worrying about extra wear and tear using them on old Amiga drives.
Don't know about anyone else but i am really excited about these posts although a nice Vid would help calm me down.. :lol:
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I think its awesome that you can read and write amiga disks on this.
I'm excited too, but I'll be more excited when they have a final price the board will cost and a release date.
I'm pretty sure I will be buying one of them when available. My 1200 died 6 months ago and I really don't feel like rebuilding another one with old aging hardware. For the price of a 1200 with accellerator,tower conversion, rtg, network, and so on....This is much better.
Steven
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When you consider the average price on eBay for an 060 board (£280 & upwards) then try finding a SubWay USB board (£70 and upwards) and all the other bits n bobs you'd need to match the NatAmi then to me 800 Euros is a reasonable price and I sure as hell want one of these little beauties... :)
Hi,
@Franko,
You are probably one of the few individuals who would probably pay $1800 for one of the new 900 Mhz Z80 computers with a FPGA VGA/EGA/BCB board.
smerf
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It's Royal Pass The Sick Bag And Throw A Brick Through The Telly Day... :flak:
It's still not ruddy safe to switch the TV back on, they're showing repeats/highlights & it's on every ruddy news channel, TV has been unplugged for today... :furious:
PS: I live in the Twilight Zone, so you'll usually find me here, methinks you must've took a wrong turning when you passed The Outer Limits... ;)
Hi,
@Franko,
Know what you mean.
This is just another way for the Brits to screw an American
smerf
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I think its awesome that you can read and write amiga disks on this.
I'm excited too, but I'll be more excited when they have a final price the board will cost and a release date.
I'm pretty sure I will be buying one of them when available. My 1200 died 6 months ago and I really don't feel like rebuilding another one with old aging hardware. For the price of a 1200 with accellerator,tower conversion, rtg, network, and so on....This is much better.
Steven
yeah, even if this does end up rather expensive.. compared to the stuff we use otherwise, not so bad. I've probably sunk about a grand into my 1200, once you count all the different peripherals and whatnot.
I know plenty of people who've spent far far more
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Hi,
@Franko,
You are probably one of the few individuals who would probably pay $1800 for one of the new 900 Mhz Z80 computers with a FPGA VGA/EGA/BCB board.
smerf
Hi Smerf... :)
Who you calling an individual... you, you, you collective you... :furious:
Nah... not for a Z80, 68K yes, Z80 Noooo... :)
Cheers
Franko
PS:I think all that royal claptrap had made me feel I'll today (I was exposed to 15 seconds of it accidentally) and have been feeling very I'll all day... :(
Methinks the royal family should be shipped of to the US as they seem quite popular over there and let us tax payers over here have a wee break for about 100 years or so (it would also mean I would feel less guilty about fiddling me tax each year...) :)
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Maybe this is just me, but I am rather excited that you'll be able to use floppies. Gotta find a cheap PC floppy drive or two online when the time comes.
Hi,
@runequester,
I just read in the newspaper last week were Sony the last company to make floppy drives was throwing in the towel and was going to quit making floppy drives. So if you are going to get one you better look and buy now while they are still in stock.
smerf
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Hi,
@runequester,
I just read in the newspaper last week were Sony the last company to make floppy drives was throwing in the towel and was going to quit making floppy drives. So if you are going to get one you better look and buy now while they are still in stock.
smerf
Yeah, I might grab one ahead of time.
Worse case, there's a "used computer parts" place in town that has buckets of old garbage I can rummage through :)
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Hi Smerf... :)
Who you calling an individual... you, you, you collective you... :furious:
Nah... not for a Z80, 68K yes, Z80 Noooo... :)
Cheers
Franko
PS:I think all that royal claptrap had made me feel I'll today (I was exposed to 15 seconds of it accidentally) and have been feeling very I'll all day... :(
Methinks the royal family should be shipped of to the US as they seem quite popular over there and let us tax payers over here have a wee break for about 100 years or so (it would also mean I would feel less guilty about fiddling me tax each year...) :)
Hi,
Sorry about the individual slip,
but why do you want to send them to America, we have enough problems with our politicians giving our money away to the poor little rich people who don't know how to handle their money or run daddies handed over business. Heck they gave the rich rastards more money than they will collect in taxes for the next 10 years. All the companies have moved to other countries and yet they still claim they are American, the only thing I can say is Buy American and help support a Mexican, China man, Taiwan etc.
The last time I looked even America's proudest pair of pants levies where made in the Philippines. The only places we can get jobs now is either at burger flipping, or Stall-mart (the only place in the world guaranteed to make you wait for 2 hours in a check out line).
and now you slug you want to send them over here, FOR WHAT?
smerf
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http://www.natami.net/knowledge.php?b=1¬e=37264
Hi,
Looks good, but the price, we need to come down some. Think about it you have something going good here. (Darn, that is awful hard for me to say because I hate everything these developers are trying to do, except for Cloanto's Amiga Forever.
But give me a chance I am sure after I get done looking into it, I will find something to complain about, so lets start with the PRICE.
smerf
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Hi Smerf... :)
I'll let you off with the individual thingy if you take half the royals then as a forfeit for spelling lots of words wrong (colour etc...) and for all those years of daddy & son Bush making our useless prime ministers look like lap dogs... :)
Oh yeah and for those fat American tourists that descend on the place each year in bermuda shorts, loud shirts and more cameras round their necks than they can ever use but mostly for the buggers saying "gee... we love you Scots and coming over to ENGLAND each year to see you tiny castles".... :furious:
Need to get back to the telly now, watching the WWE Live Pay Per View "Extreme Rules" it's live from Tampa Florida, odd crowd tonight though they all look like geriatric overweight tubs o lard (not sure if they're the locals or holdaymakers)... :)
Cheers
Franko
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Hi,
Looks good, but the price, we need to come down some. Think about it you have something going good here. (Darn, that is awful hard for me to say because I hate everything these developers are trying to do, except for Cloanto's Amiga Forever.
But give me a chance I am sure after I get done looking into it, I will find something to complain about, so lets start with the PRICE.
smerf
It is pricey, but compare to what you'd cough up for a "real" amiga.
My 1200 ran me a bit over a hundred dollars (and half again to ship it from the UK)
Scan doubler about a hundred.
030/56 card was about two hundred. Thats half the price of a natami already.
I dont have USB, but if I wanted it, its another 150. Throw in 50some for networking.
Throw in the 060's and RTG capabilities and we're well over a grand already.
Im not sweating the price :)
As far as the developers, these guys are about the last guys I really put faith in. They have categorically refused to take anyones money until they have a product to show for it, and they aren't spending time talking trash about the "competition". I can respect that.
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Natami MX day 5!
http://www.natami.net/knowledge.php?b=1¬e=37577
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All Right! We got floppies and serial cable internet! BAM!
I'm gone fire up some Star Trek NG or maybe some Saved by the Bell and go full on 90s retro!
Oh no, what am I saying. :(:lol:
Really, I tease - it's gonna be great.
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Natami MX gets a First True Enhancement :D
Posted by Thomas Hirsh:
First true enhancement
For the first time on the MX board it is getting exciting, even for me. Till now I was "only" adapting the LX design to the new board. OK, by doing that I made quite huge progress in stability and usability. The board can now even be operated stand-alone. But this were just all the many mandatory things needed for the completeness of the system itself. But now... I was able (and had the time) to improve, or rather extend ECS. As you (hopefully) know, OCS had a hard wired frame generator. Because of that there were two different Agnus chips, one for NTSC and one for PAL. With ECS this issue was resolved in a quite superior manner. They did not only implement a NTSC/PAL switch but also added a complete set set of frame generation registers. From that on there was no limitation to the screen size anymore. Even the A2024 resolutions (1024x1024) were possible. This was a lot more than a common PC could offer that time (in 1988).
With the ECS frame generator it was even possible to display some VGA screen modes as 640x480. But there was still one limitation. The pixel clock was limited to fixed 28MHz. For the A2024 this was no problem, the refresh rate was set to 10Hz and the monitor itself had a built in frame buffer to display the image content at a much higher frequency. VGA and Multisync monitors had no internal memory. So this technique could not be used and resolutions that high as the A2024 were not possible to display on them. And even the 800x600 resolution needed to be in interlace because of the in comparison low pixel frequency. AGA did increase the color depth and the overall number of colors available, but left the pixel clock unchangeable.
The pixel clock on the Natami is not generated by an external oscillator. It is synthesized by a programmable PLL (Phase Locked Loop). Its frequency can be changed at run time. I now implemented an interface which allows the PLL being accessed through DFF registers. With that I am able to set up a basic screen resolution of 1280x1024 in 60Hz for a functionality test. Not system friendly, just a part of a memory field and mouse pointer. But it actually works. I have known it from the beginning that it is possible and will work, but seeing that the Natami can now match the native resolution of my test TFT is something different! I`ll send a design update to Annika as soon as I can.
And the second good news is that with the new resolution I was able to confirm that the digital portion of DVI is also working.
Chipset Features
(new) Frame generation .......... ECS and variable pixel clock -> UCS
SyncZorro Interface ....... preliminary version
Copper .................... fully implemented, with buffered data fetch
Video DMA ................. fully implemented
256 color registers ....... fully implemented
AGA HAM8 .................. fully implemented
Sprites ................... 16bit linebuffer
blitter ................... basic implementation. Block and fill mode only, line to come
Video priority ............ half implemented
Scandoubler ............... fully implemented
Interrupts ................ fully implemented
Paula DMA control ......... fully implemented
Audio out ................. fully implemented
Disk DMA .................. 880k and 1760k, read only
Serial Port Paula UART .... fully implemented
Slow peripheral I/O ....... fully implemented
(Joy/Mouse/Keyb/PRT/DSK/SER)
PC mouse and kbd support .. o
CIAs ...................... fully implemented
Board Features
VGA out (DVI-A) ........... working
(new) DVI out (DVI-D) ........... working
PCI ....................... transfer only, arbiter and config missing
IDE ....................... PIO mode 0 working
Compact Flash connector ... o
NEC USB PCI ............... o
RTL 8110 LAN .............. o
Battery-backed up clock.... working
15k Video out (module) .... o
15k Video in (module) ..... o
Audio in .................. ohttp://www.natami.net/knowledge.php?b=1¬e=33366&x=14WTG Thomas!!
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It seems to all be going well. I know Natami had some naysayers at the beginning but I think now it has a lot of people getting excited. Great stuff. I think it will sell very well.