Most Amiga like experience on modern hardware

[pVC]

Well, he's obviously right. The fact AmigaOS 4 can transparently run 68K software does NOT mean it doesn't need any emulation layer to do that.

I think he was talking about OS itself, not other 68k software. And OS4 runs natively on PPC, it's evolved from older versions (like 3.x was evolved from 2.x etc), it has compatible API etc. So, AOS runs natively on other than 68k architectures nowadays. Of course you need emulation layer to support old software which can't be recompiled for PPC, but that wasn't the point here.

[KimmoK]

Exactly what WB 3.x source code was ported?

Whole AOS3.1 that was available in C. (and you very well know it)
(AOS3.1 was mainly coded in C)
+ Most of third party code of AOS3.9.

The path of source codes can be tracked here:
http://www.hyperion-entertainment.biz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=141:twenty-five&catid=36:amigaos-4x&Itemid=18

+some of the old 68K AOS developers still develop it.

[KimmoK]

Well, he's obviously right. The fact AmigaOS 4 can transparently run 68K software does NOT mean it doesn't need any emulation layer to do that. ...

So, also you nowdays insist that AmigaOS4 is not AmigaOS? Only 68k version is AmigaOS?
Note: I have been saying that the only option to run real AmigaOS natively above 100Mhz HW is AOS4 (compiled and enchanced from original source files).

(without taking away the possible fact that other Amigalikes can be better than the original, I'm multicolour.)

[OlafS3]

"compiled and enchanced from original source files"

who cares? Users want to have a good computer at the right price and do not care what has originally used 68k code. At least one of the "copies" has avoided to make the same errors as AOS (to connect too tight to one hardware-platform). That was already the problem of the old AOS and it was repeated again.

[Iggy]

"compiled and enchanced from original source files"

You know, I've often wondered how Hyperion dealt with elements introduced after 3.1

[KimmoK]

"compiled and enchanced from original source files"

You know, I've often wondered how Hyperion dealt with elements introduced after 3.1

Nothing huge came in 3.5 or 3.9.

but, as I mentioned:
"+ Most of third party code of AOS3.9."

Hyperion made agreements with many third party contributors to get those additions ported.

[KimmoK]

"compiled and enchanced from original source files"

who cares? Users want to have a good computer at the right price and do not care what has originally used 68k code. At least one of the "copies" has avoided to make the same errors as AOS (to connect too tight to one hardware-platform). That was already the problem of the old AOS and it was repeated again.

As I mentioned, some do care. AOS totally changed my life 20 years ago, got me my first real IT job etc. I want to see where AOS is and where it goes.
Without AOS I would now be a building architect instead of embedded SW professional.
There's not much on top of that to convince to get AOS4. Well... except to play with new/weird/rare PowerPC HW. (I wanted to play with PPC440 as well, because at that time I was developing SW for it at work)

btw. I doubt there is any HW dependency left from 68k AOS. AOS4 seems to get to different HW pretty ok (currently Classic, A1 series, Peg2, SAM series, with and without cache coherency). IF THEY MANAGE to get the multicore support done without breaking everything, it should prove that they have abstracted the low level stuff pretty nicely)  I doubt any of the clones are easier to get (fully) on another HW than current AOS.

[OlafS3]

We will see which platform will evolve faster in future. I am pushing now on another platform to speed up the development even more :-). I think competition is always good and Aros and MorphOS will accept the competition. This "clone" sounds rather stupid to me, perhaps you (and some others) see it that way but I can assure you noone outside the OS4 camp (a couple of hundred users) cares about it. We will see who will when what deliver, the development on OS4 is from my view pretty slow but perhaps we all will know more after Amiwest.

[KimmoK]

... I think competition is always good ...QUOTE]

I just wish there would be no competition over the very limited OS R&D people.
(if all variants were open source developed, perhaps more co-operation would appear)

[OlafS3]

I f.e. offered the idea to share the base code (f.e. USB, PCI, important libs) as Opensource between all camps (in this case I discussed with MorphOS core team members). The answer was pretty clear... NO.

So every camp reinvents every wheel for itself and wastes rare resources but there is no big hope that this will change.

[Iggy]

I f.e. offered the idea to share the base code (f.e. USB, PCI, important libs) as Opensource between all camps (in this case I discussed with MorphOS core team members). The answer was pretty clear... NO.

So every camp reinvents every wheel for itself and wastes rare resources but there is no big hope that this will change.

Asking the MorphOS team open their code?
That's as silly as asking Hyperion to share AOS source code.
You want open source, use AROS.

[Terminills]

Asking the MorphOS team open their code?
That's as silly as asking Hyperion to share AOS source code.
You want open source, use AROS.

He does

[bloodline]

He does

Who doesn't?

[Fats]

So every camp reinvents every wheel for itself and wastes rare resources but there is no big hope that this will change.

AROS only reinvents the wheel because it has to to be able to open source the code. The code is there for anybody to use who is willing to comply to the license, including the other camps or you.

greets,
Staf.