Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!

[AmiGR]

Ehm, sorry but Genesi don't restrict what you can
run on their boards. They just don't want to sign
anything with Amiga Inc. cause the last thing they
signed was a miserable failiure on the A Inc. part.

[DaveP]

@Mips_proc

"A1 is a Board not a full system... people are ordering motherboards...thats far from a full system."

Sure there is a delay between getting the hardware and the OS but you get both eventually apparently including the firmware update which allows the license to be adhered to. I am sure Amiga Inc. didn't want it that way and nor do Eyetech but it is hardly the norm but at least does demonstrate that flexibility is possible in extremis ( as with all business deals ).

It still doesn't change the point, AInc have decided on (a) as the business norm.

Anyway, this seems to be pretty exhausted and Ive said all I meant to ( and more ) today so catch you guys later in the week.

 :-D

@Amigr
"Ehm, sorry but Genesi don't restrict what you can
run on their boards. They just don't want to sign
anything with Amiga Inc. cause the last thing they
signed was a miserable failiure on the A Inc. part."

Please go and read back through what I have said.

Last I was involved:

For resellers:
1. They restrict you from modifying what the board boots up into, it has to boot into MorphOS which contradicts the licensing agreement from Amiga Inc.

2. I am not asking them to sign up with Amiga Inc, I am (was) asking them to drop their anti-competative bundling clause so that other vendors can bulk buy Pegasos products and resell them as AmigaONEs.

AInc have decided on (a) as the business norm.

well then tell me at what point they plan to sell a 'full system' ?... I mean 'case/motherboard/OS/memory/drives/etc' I mean a FULL solution... not just a DIY motherboard and OS.

remember your claiming 'A.inc' a professed 'software only' company is going to sell 'full' solutions in hardware and software?.....that makes no sense at all.

[Helgis75]

Everything related to AmigaOne and OS4 are actually great news. It only means they got further improved, which you will see at the end...

Anyway, i definitely don't mind waiting a bit longer...as i have been waiting almost ten years for a new next-generation Amiga-platform...

People remember that Bill Buck served them with lies and tracking down AmigaOne and OS4 with bad arguments...That's the same thing MorphOS-people did, too, cause they believe in BPlan/Genesi...Sad but true...

In february when the AmigaOne and OS4 are actually out, BPlan/Genesi and Bill Buck will look like fools, cause they are pretty scared to be exposed for their lies..which will be exposed really soon...

And yes, Eyetech could have updated the news about the delay, but they have simply been very busying in just completing the improvements of the AmigaOne XE-motherboards...Please just relax!

[DaveP]

"remember your claiming 'A.inc' a professed 'software only' company is going to sell 'full' solutions in hardware and software?.....that makes no sense at all."

No because I never knowingly made that claim.

Are you suggesting that I think that Amiga Inc is going to sell AmigaONEs through its online store?

 I pointed out that they are licensing Hardware and Software solutions and that is the knub and crux of the license. It has to be an AmigaONE bundle.

As to when, who fricking even knows ( as I HAVE said already this thread ), but I would suggest that it's vendors will sell them as the licensed bundles as and when AOS4 is released.

I really must go! Its daylight and I have things to do.

[Paul_Gadd]

Yeah Eyetech the wonderfull Amiga company who expects it`s customers to all subscribe to the AmigaOne mailing list for announcements about hardware people have ordered,

A professional company my arse,

Update your WEBSITE.

[Helgis75]

Paul_Gadd wrote:
Yeah Eyetech the wonderfull Amiga company who expects it`s customers to all subscribe to the AmigaOne mailing list for announcements about hardware people have ordered,

A professional company my arse,

Update your WEBSITE.

I agree with you on only one point; for Eyetech to update their website. The rest is just a bunch of crap...! I sense a bit of jealousity from you...

Eyetech has done and incredible job, and i must say this is one of the very best Amiga-hardware companies ever!!!!! You should thanks them for developing the AmigaOne-platform!!!

Anyway, good luck with your path...

[Paul_Gadd]

Jealous of a company who can not even lets its customers know what is going on? yeah i am so Jealous,

Good luck to you  :-)

[Eric_Z]

Is there anything constructive at all coming from this thread, all I see is that it is creating an opportunety for a small group of people to publically bicker with each other while constantly reusing the same arguments over and over and over and ... ?

I know that this is a public forum but hasen't the subjects beeing raised in this thread been discussed to death in it?

My suggestion is that this tread should be closed, there will be plenty of opportuneties latre on to drag all of this up again and once more have an 100+ posting thread.

[Helgis75]

Eric certainly has a point there. It's starting to overflow, and the thread should be closed...

[AmiGR]

They DIDN'T rule out dual booting with MOS.
They just don't want a box with AmigaOS4 only.

[Kronos]

@Helgis75

Sorry to rain into your parade, but Eyetech haven't developed
the A1 !! That has been done by MAI and the PPCBoot-team (with
some help from Hyperion).

When Eyetech tried to develop an A1 it only ended in a desaster
(the Escena-thingy). Eyetech are just a reseller, and that all
they gone be. Don't know if they are good or bad at this, but a
reseller is all they are.

Real Amiga-HW-companies are Matay,DCE,Elbox,Individual,E3B and even Genesi/bPlan.

[AmiGR]

I have NO faith in Amiga Inc anymore.
You say that BB is a liar and at the same time you say
that Amiga Inc are telling the truth about everything!
Does NOT compute.
Are THESE truths:
"OS4 is near completation" (last year, about the
"inhouse" OS4 they were "developing")
"The Escena AmigaOne is almost ready"
"We will sue the MorphOS team"
"MorphOS is illegal".
Let alone the coupon issue. They are CLOWNS.
Rethink what you wrote in a year. You'll see who's
lying about some issues.

[AmiGR]

And who is a true Amiga fan? Somebody that worships Amiga Inc or someone who supported
the market and bought any products to do that
while Amiga Inc or ANY Amiga Inc was scratching
it's butt?
Sorry, my friend but a true Amiga fan cares about the
Amiga companies and the Amiga market, not Amiga
Inc. solely.

[Helgis75]

We'll see...at the end, all of you who have been listening to Bill Buck/BPlan/Genesi will end up like fools because of serving lies about the AmigaOne and OS4...People know better than that...

At least there is a great faith in the new owners of the Amiga than any other owners in the past! Remember a lot of people have already put a lot of money in ordering the AmigaOne, so you can picture it yourself and ask yourself why the interest for the AmigaOne/OS4 is so huge! This really tells the tale!

Trying to blame Amiga Inc and their partners with NO good reasons just because they actually do an excellent job is pointless and far too pathetic! I am not the only one awaiting the AmigaOne. There are actually many, including my new Norwegian Kay!

This should clear it out, i guess!

[AmiGR]

Eyetech didn't develop ANYTHING. They are a distributor of a board made by Mentor Arc Inc (MAI)
with a bios from Hyperion.