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Operating System Specific Discussions => AROS Research Operating System => Topic started by: wawrzon on February 15, 2016, 07:10:03 PM
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i have put here a few minutes of a shaky and blurry video of an amiga a1200/060-50/16mb booting and running aros68k in highres interlace. have not been doing anything particular with it just opening some apps and mui guis to demonstrate overall responsivness and stability of the system under such circumstances. i intend to do a video of my a4k/rtg, which would be much faster, but id like to get rid of bug when booting from intenal ide of an a4000 first as well as correct some glitches when using picasso4 pixelformats. i could swap picasso for cv64 instead, but the work has to be done on p4 either way, sooner or later.
https://vimeo.com/155409792
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good job Wawa
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holly crap, it took 1 minute to boot!
And it is a 68060...
Thank you for the video.
But it certainly shows the sorry state of Aros68k :(
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holly crap, it took 1 minute to boot!
And it is a 68060...
Thank you for the video.
But it certainly shows the sorry state of Aros68k :(
Hueh? :confused:
it is completely booting from harddrive in opposite to anything 3.X related based on kickstart roms
is booting your preferred task or hobby that that is so important for you?
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Hueh? :confused:
How much does your Amiga take too boot AmigaOS? An entire minute is definately too much for a 68060. It seems Aros68k needs lots of love in the optimization department.
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How much does your Amiga take too boot AmigaOS? An entire minute is definately too much for a 68060. It seems Aros68k needs lots of love in the optimization department.
it seems you forget that most of Amiga OS is in the roms?
also it boots scalos so when judging it you must stop when scalos shows up
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it seems you forget that most of Amiga OS is in the roms?
also it boots scalos so when judging it you must stop when scalos shows up
Fair enough then, so is there a way to burn this Aros68k rom in a chip?
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How much does your Amiga take too boot AmigaOS? An entire minute is definately too much for a 68060. It seems Aros68k needs lots of love in the optimization department.
Important is how it behaves when running
Judging something at the boot time is very "amigan", nobody else outside would even care about
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Fair enough then, so is there a way to burn this Aros68k rom in a chip?
the roms it is based on could certainly... hopefully it will be possible to do for FPGA based projects
When booting aros first step is to install the aros roms. That step is not necessary when using 3.X and related roms. There certainly is room for efficiency improvements of course.
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Important is how it behaves when running
Judging something at the boot time is very "amigan", nobody else outside would even care about
Yes, it is absolutely true. But that has to be with the fact that we dont use Amigas like servers or tablets or phones that need to be online 24 hours a day. So I would say it is a justified expectation from an Amiga point of view to boot in rather short time. Still 46 seconds to the Scalos bootlogo is still too much for a 68060. I can only imagine a 68030 user just waiting forever, and lets not even care about a 68020 one.
All in all, to be fair, system responsiveness seems adequate when the system has already booted and loaded.
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Yes, it is absolutely true. But that has to be with the fact that we dont use Amigas like servers or tablets or phones that need to be online 24 hours a day. So I would say it is a justified expectation from an Amiga point of view to boot in rather short time. Still 46 seconds to the Scalos bootlogo is still too much for a 68060. I can only imagine a 68030 user just waiting forever, and lets not even care about a 68020 one.
All in all, to be fair, system responsiveness seems adequate when the system has already booted and loaded.
I think the boot time is less related to 68060 than to speed of harddrive
68060 influences how it behaves when it has started. There is certainly still some room for improvements because Aros was developed on and for X86 at first of course not using amiga features like the blitter. But that has nothing to do with how fast it boots. Fast harddrive and Aros roms using as rom will make a big difference already.
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I wouldnt think about bootup time and overall responsiveness in terms of 020/030.
Im thinking about giving AROS a try, and its mostly cause I WILL purchase the A1200 Vampire whenever its out.
The Vampire will add "tons" of new classic enviroment users with 128 megabytes of ram and 060++++ level performance.
For both OS 3.9 and AROS, the people making addon packs can scale accordingly.
Ofcourse, Amigans are inherently allergic to bloatware, but some performance impact is impossible to avoid if you add more "modern" functionality.
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So hopefully things will get better.
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So hopefully things will get better.
the more people will use it, give feedback and even contribute to the development the faster it will improve
in this sense... it can only (and will) improve
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the more people will use it, give feedback and even contribute to the development the faster it will improve
in this sense... it can only (and will) improve
Certainly one of the benefits of being open source :)
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holly crap, it took 1 minute to boot!
my improved 3.9 ++ setup with the neccesarry boing bags and modules, like those you propose (+powerwindows and so on) has originally booted on my a4000 within a minute or a bit longer. it was booting from ssd and from the csppc tuned up to almost 40mb/s throughput. i have read of many people having similar boot times. dont even ask how long does os4 boots not only on amigas but on dedicated hardware.
now, once i have got deneb and put kickstart and all the modules in its flash, and the machine didnt need to reboot my bootup time went down to something around half a minute. note that i had a bridge on internal ide to prevent boot wait there.
so, it think aros soft booting from an internal ide of an amiga, which is 10-20 times slower than cyberstorm scsi and with a lot of debug output to serial as you see isnt that bad in comparison? no doubt the boot speed as well as overall responsiveness is not good enough, and needs to improve. but this involves work. and i am showing the current state of what im working on.
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@wawrzon
Please dont compare it with OS4, as it is totally unrelated and bloated compared to original AmigaOS. For example, you need at least 32MB of ram just to boot!
On my 3.1 setup, which includes a custom built rom, my boot time is about 15 seconds or so, and it is an A1200 with a 68030, nothing too fancy, and using just its internal IDE port.
There is certainly something wrong (or highly inefficient) with your current 3.9 setup. Watch the video (he is not using a rom based kickstart, so your times should be even better)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32DHRlBWKs4
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Please dont compare it with OS4, as it is totally unrelated and bloated compared to original AmigaOS. For example, you need at least 32MB of ram just to boot!
as you see aros brings features at much lower memory footprint;).
On my 3.1 setup, which includes a custom built rom, my boot time is about 15 seconds or so, and it is an A1200 with a 68030, nothing too fancy, and using just its internal IDE port.
There is certainly something wrong (or highly inefficient) with your current 3.9 setup. Watch the video (he is not using a rom based kickstart, so your times should be even better)
i pretty certain i have done what have been possible and am not going to fiddle with this again any soon. especially as system was pretty stable and i didnt need to reboot it much. a4k+cs060+mediator+rtg(voodoo3)+updated rom with boingbags just needs so much. you can rather expect me to put some effort in making aros installation more efficient.