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Re: Official email info about sharkppc from elbox
« on: November 20, 2003, 09:38:14 PM »
Äh yes, and yesterday we had 5 inches of pure whit snow here in hell  :-o

Facts:
Claiming that OS4 would run on the Shark without major modifications
is pure BS.

Noone has seen a working Shark (you know that would have needed atleast
a working Linux-kernel to proove that it works).

They have sofar refused to send doku and a card to Hyperion, and even if
they have only 1 single card it would still be the most logical think to do.

Sending it after the release of OS-A1 would mean:

Hyperion would need to work out how to redirect any Amiga-HW-accesses
through the mem-window on the Voodoo-card (with correct timing).

They would need to rewrite drivers for kbd and IDE so they will work in
such a odd setup (there is no point in having a Shark., when all you can
access are the PCI-devices).

It's quite likely that Hyperion allready has a "what next" plan for the time
after the initial OS4-release, and I somehow doubt they would change that for
a rather limited number of users who are actually willing to invest serious
amounts of money in a =>10 years old system when they could buy a new for
less or little more.
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
7. Blame someone else
 

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Re: Official email info about sharkppc from elbox
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2003, 10:16:33 PM »
@lempkee

Prices:
The cheap "normal" Shark has no AGP and misses alot of other features,
something that just can't compete with the A1.

The + model has those, but will probraly cost more than an A1-lite
(well there is hope, cos a lite at >300 would be suicide), which would
be more or less comparable.

Numbers:
You can keep your cheap shot as that has NOTHING to do with this topic !
Most of the people who have such a beefed up system seem to be thinking
that they reached the end of the flag-post, and won't invest anymore in
old (and often problematic HW). Thats my personal observation.

So we might very well look at a potential costumer base below 600.

What would be hurdles ?
A SharkPPC+ would most likely be based on MAI's MikroServer, a system
that is still far away from being ready for production, and that won't change
until such times when someone sees a market for sveral 1000 of it.

The PPC_on_PCI would not be able to see the attached Amiga, only the mem
window on the Vodoo, so one would need to write a MMU-setup that redirects
those areas to it. And than what ? You would need an minimal OS on the
Amiga-side, to answer any request posted in the Vodoo-mem with the
fitting hits to the HW. Should be possible with something simple as a kbd
or serial driver, but try to access the IDE or SCSI (on accel), or something else
that needs serious bandwith or excat timing .....

Coding and testing such a system would atleasttake several months if not
a whole year, time that would have users switching to other alternives, and
time that (partly) could have been saved by sending a card to Hyperion earlier
this year (plus hireing one developer to closely work with Hyperion on
Shark-specifics).

Doesn't take much to smell "vapor" in here.
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
7. Blame someone else
 

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Re: Official email info about sharkppc from elbox
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2003, 10:17:09 AM »
@lempkee

The question never was wether the Amiga-side can see more than the 8mb,
but if the PCI side can directly access the Amiga-HW. The answer to that is
a clear no !

And again, what has the number of sold Pegs to do with it ? Remember
that Hyperion claimed that it was far to low to justify a port   ;-)

@Claucus
In a previous statement similar to this they claimed that the Shark would
be so similar to the A1, that it would run OS4 unmodified. One of the
few occassions where someone from Hyperion had to aggree with me  :-P

@Platon
Don't forget their own CGX-compatible RTG-SW, the excuse for not buying
a P96-licence, or their allmost ready  :lol: USB-stack.

One might even add their widely misleading benchmarks to the list
as their is no way to actually use those high transfer rates (only possible
with Shark), but only the rather down to earth rates that go through the Voodoo.
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
7. Blame someone else
 

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Re: Official email info about sharkppc from elbox
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2003, 10:20:02 AM »
Oh and I really doubt that Elbox is still selling a reasonable amount
of Mediators today, as most of those you want to keep their old systems
have allready bought one, or are just fed up with Elbox trying to force their
way without ever carring for anything else.
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
7. Blame someone else
 

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Re: Official email info about sharkppc from elbox
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2003, 11:15:01 AM »
@Bennymee

Mediator should have reached it's peak (or will soon) as the the users
retiring their real Amigas (how I hate the term "classic"), or be
forced to do so by dying HW will soon outnumber those you invest in
a Mediator.

Pegasos1 production has stopped, but the Peg2 will come "real soon now"(tm)  ;-)
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
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4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
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Re: Official email info about sharkppc from elbox
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2003, 11:41:36 AM »
@Bennymee
>100000 machines ?? Sorry but ....
 :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

You would be hard presses to gather 10000 active Amigians, and only
a minority of those run beefed upt "classics". Just ask anybody who actually
sells Amiga-HW/SW, and when he managed to sell >1000 units for the last
time .....

And no, we haven't discussed OS4 for Shark or Peg1, but wether the Shark
is real or just vapor (until someone pulled it OT).

Oh and Amigas are falling apart everyday, they just don't care wether OS4
is ready or not. Just have a close look through forums like this, and you will
find lots of questions bout such systems behaving strangly.
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
7. Blame someone else
 

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Re: Official email info about sharkppc from elbox
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2003, 06:01:22 PM »
Quote

lempkee wrote:

as a last note in this, hyperion have had successfull contracts with elbox before (warp3d)


Yes,but only after Elbox tried each and every possible option to get W3D
without paying for it. Miles of flamewars can still be found in the ann-archives.

@Lando
Serial numbers are not a geat way of measuring, as these are often used
to make the company look bigger than it is. My boss for example decided
that we should start at 3000, and now we are 3550   ;-)  another part of the
company even started at 20000 .....

Such numbers are also often used to have the exact model tagged into them.

From discussion I had with a certain dealer (no names, no fingerprints)
I would guess that a total of 2-3000 units were sold worldwide.
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
7. Blame someone else