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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Topic started by: Andre.Siegel on October 10, 2010, 09:11:16 AM
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The MorphOS development team is proud to announce the public release of MorphOS 2.6 introducing support of PowerMac G4 systems. In addition to the extended hardware support, existing users will benefit from various bug fixes and a few new features. For an overview of the included changes, please read our release notes.
We strongly urge owners of PowerMac computers to carefully read our installation and troubleshoot guides before they attempt to install MorphOS for the first time. Existing users can upgrade via the familiar procedure but are encouraged to read the guides as well. MorphOS 2.6 is available for download in our files section.
Source: http://www.morphos-team.net
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The MorphOS development team is proud to announce the public release of MorphOS 2.6 introducing support of PowerMac G4 systems. In addition to the extended hardware support, existing users will benefit from various bug fixes and a few new features. For an overview of the included changes, please read our release notes (http://www.morphos-team.net/releasenotes-2.6.html).
We strongly urge owners of PowerMac computers to carefully read our installation (http://www.morphos-team.net/installation.html) and troubleshoot (http://www.morphos-team.net/faq.html) guides before they attempt to install MorphOS for the first time. Existing users can upgrade via the familiar procedure but are encouraged to read the guides as well. MorphOS 2.6 is available for download in our files section (http://www.morphos-team.net/downloads.html).
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Relayed from MorphZone.org (http://www.morphzone.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1808):
"The MorphOS development team is proud to announce the public release of MorphOS 2.6 introducing support of Power Mac G4 systems. In addition to the extended hardware support, existing users will benefit from various bug fixes and a few new features. For an overview of the included changes, please read our release notes (http://www.morphos-team.net/releasenotes-2.6.html).
We strongly urge owners of Power Mac computers to carefully read our installation (http://www.morphos-team.net/installation.html) and troubleshoot (http://www.morphos-team.net/faq.html) guides before they attempt to install MorphOS for the first time. Existing users can upgrade via the familiar procedure but are encouraged to read the guides as well. MorphOS 2.6 is available for download in our files section (http://www.morphos-team.net/downloads.html)."
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Sorry Piru, you were pipped to the post by 11 minutes. However, as your announcement contained some additional useful info, I merged it in :)
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Just Installed on my G4 Digital Audio and It Flys! Thanks for bringing an old machine back to life!
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The MorphOS development team is proud to announce the public release of MorphOS 2.6 introducing support of PowerMac G4 systems. In addition to the extended hardware support, existing users will benefit from various bug fixes and a few new features. For an overview of the included changes, please read our release notes (http://www.morphos-team.net/releasenotes-2.6.html).
We strongly urge owners of PowerMac computers to carefully read our installation (http://www.morphos-team.net/installation.html) and troubleshoot (http://www.morphos-team.net/faq.html) guides before they attempt to install MorphOS for the first time. Existing users can upgrade via the familiar procedure but are encouraged to read the guides as well. MorphOS 2.6 is available for download in our files section (http://www.morphos-team.net/downloads.html).
Great news - MorphOS team continues to bring us Good Things (TM). :-D
released 10/10/10@10:10 - just couldn't resist a binary release date eh?
Thanks Piru, I look forward to installing on my Powermac (MDD/Dual1GHz) and updating my Mac Mini. Best regards to the rest of the team.
@DaveAE/System (Two accounts for the same person?!)
I look forward to testing the Envy24HT audio drivers for the Terratec Phase 22 and Aureon Sky cards (picked up in anticipation of this release). I'll let you know how digital in/out performs on the Phase22 so you can update the "supported cards" section of your website (as digital i/o on the Phase22 did NOT work under OSX (10.4.2) with the Terratec-supplied drivers).
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Sweet! Thanks guys. I'm browsing Criagslist for a Power Mac now... Hell I might get one for free from a friend of mine!
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On schedule and rocking! congrats! :)
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Omfg yeah!
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Congratulations for MorphOS users.
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This is great news. ETA on G5 support?
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This is great news. ETA on G5 support?
Not anytime soon. I am sure many 'power users' will be rather pleased with accelerated Power Mac G4 systems, however.
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This is awsome!! :)
I actually bought a mac mini 1.25ghz off ebay for $130. Never have I ever tried MorphOS hands on, and I am pretty psyched. Now 2.6 rolls out.
Great job guys!
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Just tried to install it but didnt work. I got to where you select the HDD, and it is not displayed in there. Needless to say with OSX I did not have any of these problems.
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Just tried to install it but didnt work. I got to where you select the HDD, and it is not displayed in there. Needless to say with OSX I did not have any of these problems.
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You could try couple of things:
1. Check that the devices are correctly jumpered for master/slave. MorphOS might be pickier about this.
2. You could try different 80-pin ATA cable. Mac OS X might be able to downgrade the DMA modes in case of flaky cable.
3. You could try the HDD connected to a different ATA connector. Many Power Mac models have multiple ATA controllers.
Also we'd be interested to hear the exact model of the system, full showconfig and pciscan verbose output.
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Just upgraded my Pegasos II from MorphOS 2.5 to 2.6. Worked like a charm, and it's great!
Excellent work MorphOS Team!
Cheers,
Dragster
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Very nice. Now I need to find a $1 Radeon card to flash with a compatible Mac BIOS and my free Power Mac will be ready to go.
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Ok problem solved.
Basically the original owner of my PowerMac removed the jumper from the HDD... worked ok in oSX but MOS didnt like that. I put a jumper on Master, now its perfect.
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Very, very nice! I gotta ask Santa for a MorphOS registration :-)
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I just won a PowerMac 3,5 on fleabay for £45 for the sole reason of running MOS2.6 :)
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Boy are my panties wet!!!
Can't wait to install!
Thankx again guys!
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Boy are my panties wet!!!
Pee pee time?
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Pee Pee time indeed!!!
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Now that more expandable G4 boxes are supported, I might have to have a nosey on ebay ;)
Never really fancied the mac mini much.
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Outstanding!
Best dual usage O/S's and hardware.
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well that is freakin awesome. Seals the deal for me. :)
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Yes, I think this Birthday I'll pick up a dual cpu G4 and invest in another coy of MorphOS.
Why? I have no idea, but I'm excited about it!!!
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looks great!..too bad I have an aversion to Apple poducts
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Great news. Any chance of an iBook version in the future?
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This is probably in the release notes which I have not gone through, but I will risk the question, anyway. Does MorphOS support dual CPUs?
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This is probably in the release notes which I have not gone through, but I will risk the question, anyway. Does MorphOS support dual CPUs?
No, Dual CPU's are not supported by MorphOS2.6.
On a thread related note, I will have three 1.25 G4 PowerMacs for sale at the AmiWest 2010 Show in less than two weeks, with MorphOS2.6 installed on them (not yet registered, that task is for the buyers to do). One of the three will be available by raffle ticket purchase, $5 for one ticket, or $20 for 5 tickets.
So, come to the AmiWest 2010 Show and have a chance to get a nice MorphOS capable computer for as little as $5! How can you NOT come to the show now?!? This is in addition to the other prizes that will be given to the winners of the Amiga Game Competition ($5 entrance fee, Grand Prize = 1.25GHz G4 eMac w/MorphOS2.6 registration key donated by the MorphOS Dev. Team) and the usual raffle prizes given out by the SACC.
Don't miss this show, already confirmed to be the largest AmiWest Show ever!
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Are dual CPU's planned for the future then?
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Are dual CPU's planned for the future then?
Sure, in release 6.94 around February of the year 2065. :lol:
(Some comments have been made by certain Team members stating that it cannot be done and other Team members have stated that some kind of "work around" might be possible some day to use the second CPU, but it will not be the same as SMP. So, don't hold your breath for any kind of support for multiple CPU's in MorphOS, but if it happens, be happy.)
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Congratulations. :cool: Well done.
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redfox
(corrected code for :cool: smilie)
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It would be interesting to at least see certain apps supporting 2 CPU's if not the OS.
Either way, who needs another CPU anyhow, MorphOS flies as it is.
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Great news!
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No, Dual CPU's are not supported by MorphOS2.6.
To state it clearly: MorphOS does run on dual CPU Power Macs but does not use the second CPU, just runs on one of them.
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I can't believe how fast this thing is (on a PowerMac G4) especially when compared to OS4.1 on Sam 440 @ 800mhz.
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That's so great! Keep up the good work MOSTEAM!
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Bloody hell, almost £100 for a licence key? :shocked:
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It would be interesting to at least see certain apps supporting 2 CPU's if not the OS.
How do you do that ? You bypass the OS ? ;)
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Bloody hell, almost £100 for a licence key? :shocked:
You have to pay for your vices mate :)
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Bloody hell, almost £100 for a licence key? :shocked:
Yes indeed it's by far the cheapest one of the two commercial NG options available! :)
(Only AROS is cheaper, but that's not even close to be comparable to MorphOS, so...)
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In comparison to say AOS or Mac OS Leopard the price is pretty much comparable - or at least it was back in 2005 when I purchased Leopard although I suspect the price have changed since. £100 may seem a bit expensive for a pair of OSes that many would deem as under-developed, but at the end of the day someone has to pay for and fund future development. Butterflies and Boing balls don't grow on trees ya know.
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In comparison to say AOS or Mac OS Leopard the price is pretty much comparable - or at least it was back in 2005 when I purchased Leopard although I suspect the price have changed since. £100 may seem a bit expensive for a pair of OSes that many would deem as under-developed, but at the end of the day someone has to pay for and fund future development. Butterflies and Boing balls don't grow on trees ya know.
Snow Leopard is £20. ;)
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You have to pay for your vices mate :)
Indeed!
I think I'll have to reboot every 30 minutes until Christmas. lol
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Snow Leopard is £20. ;)
Thats because its a very minor update on Leopard itself. The difference between Leopard and itself pre-decessor Panther were massive in comparison.
Watch them whack the price back up again on the next major release.
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Thats because its a very minor update on Leopard itself. The difference between Leopard and itself pre-decessor Panther were massive in comparison.
Watch them whack the price back up again on the next major release.
I beg to differ, architecturally Snow Leopard is a huge update from Leopard.
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Yes indeed it's by far the cheapest one of the two commercial NG options available! :)
(Only AROS is cheaper, but that's not even close to be comparable to MorphOS, so...)
If OS4.1 was available for PowerMac's I'd buy that too, but unfortunately for us it isn't. :/
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Bloody hell, almost £100 for a licence key? :shocked:
Yes, I have to agree with you. Others on here will point out that OSX is comparable in price, but OSX supports multi-core CPUs and has a wealth of applications out there. Try finding a decent office suite and a modern web browser for MOS. OSX also supports a broader range of hardware. MOS is still limping by on old ATI 9xxx series video cards. And yes, it will run on a multi-core system but only uses one core.
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Well purely from the user-experience PoV the difference isn't that huge and I should know as I have been using both for sometime and they are nearly identical. So sure, not going to argument about whats on the hood as I don't know, but purely from what you can do and how stuff operates differences are barely noticeable.
Although this damn Snow Leopard sucks at opening the Scripts menu from the menu bar - takes like 30 seconds just to open the blast-thinged - god knows why it was fine when I bought the machine back in the Spring.
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Well purely from the user-experience PoV the difference isn't that huge and I should know as I have been using both for sometime and they are nearly identical. So sure, not going to argument about whats on the hood as I don't know, but purely from what you can do and how stuff operates differences are barely noticeable..
I use and develop on Snow Leopard on a daily basis, it is to Leopard what MorphOS 2.6 is to OS3.1 or Windows XP is to Windows 95.
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Ah Mac coder.
Perhaps I'll PM you some day, maybe you have some experience in building Cocoa-based applications? (XCode?). I've produced some meaty applescripts over the past 12 months in relation to office automation and could do with a configuration editor rather than expecting settings to be kept in a plain text file. Just a tiny app with text fields, list-boxes and a few buttons for adding/deleting items with a save button. Perhaps I should also store settings in a plist and have the applescript(s) read from it at runtime as that does seem to be the correct way to go around things rather than store SMB usernames and passwords and other items completely insecure in a plain text file lol.
Off-topic I know sorry Amigans. =P
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Yes, I have to agree with you. Others on here will point out that OSX is comparable in price, but OSX supports multi-core CPUs and has a wealth of applications out there. Try finding a decent office suite and a modern web browser for MOS. OSX also supports a broader range of hardware. MOS is still limping by on old ATI 9xxx series video cards. And yes, it will run on a multi-core system but only uses one core.
I paid $550 for a SuperCPU 128 back in 2007 (though it is now worth ~$1,500). Should I compare my 128 to a Mac with OSX too? ;-)
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I paid $550 for a SuperCPU 128 back in 2007 (though it is now worth ~$1,500). Should I compare my 128 to a Mac with OSX too? ;-)
Sure. Compare away. The only system of the 3 that you can do any real work with is OSX. Peopled don't buy MOS for nostalgia. Nor do people buy OSX for nostalgia. They buy it to get things done. That's the point. You're trying to justify the expense of MOS like it's some sort of antique to be collected. MOS is still being produced. It's not an antique.
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Sure. Compare away. The only system of the 3 that can do you can do any real work with is OSX. Peopled don't buy MOS for nostalgia. Nor do people buy OSX for nostalgia. They buy it to get things done. That's the point. You're trying to justify the expense of MOS like it's some sort of antique to be collected. MOS is still being produced. It's not an antique.
I bought the G4 just to run MOS and purely for nostalgic reasons as I got rid of all my Amiga's a few years ago. lol
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I bought the G4 just to run MOS and purely for nostalgic reasons as I got rid of all my Amiga's a few years ago. lol
You could just as easily have used WinUAE and saved a lot of money if you're looking for nostalgia. Or buy a used classic Amiga. MOS is marketed as an alternative to OS4 and is touted to be "modern". It wasn't developed for the sake of nostalgia. It was developed with some backward compatibility in mind, hence the ability to run some apps from OS3.9 and earlier. MOS's strength is also its weakness. It's strength lies in being able to run native MOS apps at blazing speed. There just aren't very many native apps. So sure, spend several hundred dollars for a dedicated MOS box and a copy of MOS to run pre-OS4 apps, but you can do it much cheaper and faster in WinUAE. Until some developers make some useful applications for MOS, my PegII will continue to be an expensive boat anchor taking up space in my basement.
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You could just as easily have used WinUAE and saved a lot of money if you're looking for nostalgia. Or buy a used classic Amiga. MOS is marketed as an alternative to OS4 and is touted to be "modern". It wasn't developed for the sake of nostalgia. It was developed with some backward compatibility in mind, hence the ability to run some apps from OS3.9 and earlier. MOS's strength is also its weakness. It's strength lies in being able to run native MOS apps at blazing speed. There just aren't very many apps. So sure, spend several hundred dollars for a dedicated MOS box and a copy of MOS to run pre-OS4 apps, but you can do it much cheaper and faster in WinUAE. Until some developers make some useful applications for MOS, my PegII will continue to be an expensive boat anchor taking up space in my basement.
£111 for small user base OS is not a lot to ask. Its more about support than anything. Compared to Win 7 or OSX then it is alacking in apps. But that is hardly surprissing. And the diffference in my opnion between running winUAE and MorphOS. MorphOS wins hands down.
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@ Ferrellsl
Your points are all valid except for the fact that everyone interested in AmigaOS is here for nostalgia. The "nostalgia" user base is likely 10 times larger than anything else available for Amigoid systems.
Two cents.
Ed.
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Try finding a decent office suite and a modern web browser for MOS.
The browser is rather modern (quite obvious since it's based on a very recent WebKit version). And there are native applications for most standard needs too (video, audio, net, emulators, opensource games, filesharing, ...)
You may be right it lacks an office suite. However, I'm not sure Office work is the 1st thing people expect from their "home OS" when they come back from work (but well, that's just me :)).
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@ Ferrellsl
Your points are all valid except for the fact that everyone interested in AmigaOS is here for nostalgia. The "nostalgia" user base is likely 10 times larger than anything else available for Amigoid systems.
Two cents.
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I strongly disagree with you. There are quite a few people on this forum who are waiting for the X1000 and their primary interest isn't in paying $3000 US for the sake of nostalgia. I didn't buy OS4 or MOS for the sake of nostalgia either. I left the Amiga community in 1992. I rejoined in 2005 and I believed the marketing crap from the MOS folks as well as Hyperion. I thought I'd give both OSs a try, not because I wanted to drops lots of cash to run old pre-OS4 software. I was looking for an alternative to Windows and Linux. What I found were very poor alternatives for the price. OS4 has barely moved beyond OS3.9 in functionality. MOS is slicker and faster but lacks any useful and modern, standards- compliant applications. I'm not disputing the size of the "nostalgia" base. I'm disputing all the crap being thrown around about how modern and useful OS4 and MOS are.
I bought MOS and a PegII in 2007. I paid $700 for the hardware and $250 for MOS. Three years later, there are still no useful applications that I can use to get any work done and no usable browser (OWB and Netsurf are still mostly broken). Any native apps for MOS or OS4 are amateurish at best. I paid over $200 for OS4.1 and it's the same story. Even worse, printing support is almost non-existent and USB support is almost unusable. I just believe that when I pay a "quality" price, I should get a "quality" product. $1150 USD should have given me a lot more than just a Workbench or Ambient screen.
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I have a really annoying problem maybe someone can help. Even though Audio is set to max, audio volume on my PowerMac (MDD Model) is really, really low, both form internal speaker or if I use external speakers via audio jack. From OSX it played fine.
Any ideas? Thanks!
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The browser is rather modern (quite obvious since it's based on a very recent WebKit version). And there are native applications for most standard needs too (video, audio, net, emulators, opensource games, filesharing, ...)
You may be right it lacks an office suite. However, I'm not sure Office work is the 1st thing people expect from their "home OS" when they come back from work (but well, that's just me :)).
"Rather modern" or "recent" is very subjective and relative. Sure, it's based on web kit, an older version than the one in use on most systems today and there's no flash support, no download manager, no plug-ins, and CSS support is flaky. And when I come home and need a real tool to get real work done, I switch on a PC running Linux or Windows. If I want to play games or use a toy, well, there you go. There's MOS or OS4....or a UAE variant. Oh, but wait....no game development there anymore and no Media Center app that can play DVDs or BluRay/HD.
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You could just as easily have used WinUAE and saved a lot of money if you're looking for nostalgia. Or buy a used classic Amiga. MOS is marketed as an alternative to OS4 and is touted to be "modern". It wasn't developed for the sake of nostalgia. It was developed with some backward compatibility in mind, hence the ability to run some apps from OS3.9 and earlier. MOS's strength is also its weakness. It's strength lies in being able to run native MOS apps at blazing speed. There just aren't very many native apps. So sure, spend several hundred dollars for a dedicated MOS box and a copy of MOS to run pre-OS4 apps, but you can do it much cheaper and faster in WinUAE. Until some developers make some useful applications for MOS, my PegII will continue to be an expensive boat anchor taking up space in my basement.
I'm also nostalgic for my pre-April Peg1, the new G4 ain't nothing but a big boys toy to play with.
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I bought MOS and a PegII in 2007. I paid $700 for the hardware and $250 for MOS.
At least HW is now inexpensive thanks to Apple... :-P
MorphOS lacks on the software side but OWB is pretty good. It lacks Java and Flash support is what it is but what can be done? There arent much to do about it.
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At least HW is now inexpensive thanks to Apple... :-P
MorphOS lacks on the software side but OWB is pretty good. It lacks Java and Flash support is what it is but what can be done? There arent much to do about it.
There *is* Flash support (up to Flash 8), when you install the plugin. :)
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"Rather modern" or "recent" is very subjective and relative. Sure, it's based on web kit, an older version than the one in use on most systems today and there's no flash support, no download manager, no plug-ins, and CSS support is flaky. And when I come home and need a real tool to get real work done, I switch on a PC running Linux or Windows. If I want to play games or use a toy, well, there you go. There's MOS or OS4....or a UAE variant. Oh, but wait....no game development there anymore and no Media Center app that can play DVDs or BluRay/HD.
Err, i think you're greatly mistaken here:
First, the webkit revision in OWB 1.10 is likely more recent than yours, since i use nightly revisions. OWB 1.10 is based on 2nd september 2010 WebKit SVN state. Isn't that recent enough?
Besides, it has a full download manager with resume support and remembers downloads across sessions, it has plugin support (swfdec for Flash), it supports HTML5 video (Theora, H264, WebM), it has a very conform Javascript/CSS/Whatever support (it scores 100/100 at Acid3 and 198/300 at html5test.com... try the same with browsers like firefox or IE :)).
MPlayer is perfectly able to play all kind of media (DVD, streaming, audio and even HD H264 files where OSX crawls miserably), ...
Are you sure you don't confuse OS4 with MorphOS too much here? :)
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In comparison to say AOS or Mac OS Leopard the price is pretty much comparable - or at least it was back in 2005 when I purchased Leopard although I suspect the price have changed since. £100 may seem a bit expensive for a pair of OSes that many would deem as under-developed, but at the end of the day someone has to pay for and fund future development. Butterflies and Boing balls don't grow on trees ya know.
Snow Leopard is £20. ;)
AFAIK, the price/cost for Mac OS is included into the HW price. AFAIK, Mac OS is included in every Mac sold. I'd say that the £20 (assuming this is correct) you mention is more like a nominal upgrade fee for people who already paid once for a HW+OS combo. Right?
But comparisons between MorphOS and Mac OS is kind of irrelevant anyway...
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Sure. Compare away. The only system of the 3 that you can do any real work with is OSX. Peopled don't buy MOS for nostalgia. Nor do people buy OSX for nostalgia. They buy it to get things done. That's the point. You're trying to justify the expense of MOS like it's some sort of antique to be collected. MOS is still being produced. It's not an antique.
MorphOS cannot do any serious work, it is a retro user hobby. If you want to do serious work you get a Windows based PC, a Linux based PC or a Mac with OSX.
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Sure. Compare away. The only system of the 3 that you can do any real work with is OSX. Peopled don't buy MOS for nostalgia.
I kind of agree with that. MorphOS is about Amiga evolution. I don't claim it to be comparable to Mac OS, but in an *Amiga* context (which is what matters here), it's the furthest evolved option available in 2010. This is why people are interested in MorphOS.
Even if Amiga backwards compatibility has been central in MorphOS development since day one (MorphOS is the role model here), it's not like the point with MorphOS is to play old A500 games and apps (even if some *may* work). People wanting that would be better off with Amiga Forever, which is purely about nostalgia (which is even suggested by its name).
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Err, i think you're greatly mistaken here:
Are you sure you don't confuse OS4 with MorphOS too much here? :)
Well, isn't that obvious? :)
This is a problem with your browser still using the "OWB" name, it makes people think that "Oh, but I've seen that on OS4, *not* so good..."
Have you thought about giving it a name of its own (like I suggested on MorphZone some time ago)? Would eliminate the confusion!
:)
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Originally Posted by ferrellsl View Post
Sure. Compare away. The only system of the 3 that you can do any real work with is OSX. Peopled don't buy MOS for nostalgia. Nor do people buy OSX for nostalgia. They buy it to get things done. That's the point. You're trying to justify the expense of MOS like it's some sort of antique to be collected. MOS is still being produced. It's not an antique.
MorphOS cannot do any serious work, it is a retro user hobby. If you want to do serious work you get a Windows based PC, a Linux based PC or a Mac with OSX.
Well, it depends what you mean by serious work. I have all the tools at my disposal under MorphOS to set up my accounts, balance sheet, and do my tax returns as a self-employed person (I start trading next month), read pdfs (mostly), have full office capabilities (via google docs), comprehensive multimedia support/editing, etc.
@Ferrelsl
Whatever floats your boat.
The only reason I now use Windows at all is to have a laptop, and only that because Linux power management sucks on my particular model.
MorphOS provides my media centre, internet portal, productivity both native and remote (googledocs), and pretty much everything else I need on a daily basis. Plus (the big winner) there's almost nothing extra running in the background that I _don't_ need. Plus, in 6-months time the system won't start slowing to a crawl requiring me to upgrade my hardware/reinstall (a la Windows).
There's also the annoyance factor: personally (ie this is my perception only, I do not expect you to share it) if I run up against a limitation under Windows I find it an annoyance to solve. If I run up against a limitation under MorphOS I find it interesting to figure out how to solve it. It appeals to the geek in me at about the right level.
Sure there are things I would like (usb iso mode to allow audio devices to function for one), but there are generally developments on the horizon (eg OWB, AMC, Helios to pull 3 out of the air), and it's genuinely rewarding to see it happen - there is a personal touch in knowing someone (usually a very small dedicated group who will never earn anything from it beyond pizza money) has succeeded at a difficult development challenge.
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I agree 100%. And MOS would kick ass if it had some native productivity apps. My friends get all excited when they see MOS but then they ask, "What kind of apps are out there for MOS?", and I have to tell them, "Well, not much really." MOS would grow by leaps and bounds if it ran OpenOffice or if it had a decent word processor, spreadsheet and presentation program. I don't even think they'd have to be integrated into a suite. There has to be some bait for these fish to get hooked! But once they realize there's nothing on the hook, they swim off looking for a tastier lure.
OWB or Netsurf won't do it. A Media Player won't do it. MOS has to have an office suite for work, a decent browser for the web, and a decent media player for recreation to be successful. That's why I get so frustrated when I see a post about how a new Firewire stack or some such is being developed for MOS. Why can't devs work on something that's in more demand? Sure, a Firewire stack is great but that won't sell any more copies of MOS to the skeptics.
@Boot WB
Sorry to be ranting. We're actually in violent agreement! LOL It's just that I have this great OS on an expensive piece of hardware down in my basement and I'd REALLY like to use it for some productive work! I hate to see it just acting as a dust collector.
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MorphOS cannot do any serious work, it is a retro user hobby. If you want to do serious work you get a Windows based PC, a Linux based PC or a Mac with OSX.
Hmm, although MorphOS lacks some major features of today's desktop OS's, it sure *can* do work (at least most the Internet and entertainment stuff that 90% of the people spends 90% of their free time doing in front of their computers). Sure, MorphOS is a hobby, an enthusiast thing. And while it has its roots in Amiga (which by all means could be considered a retro thing in 2010), it's not for retro reasons the developers has spent all this time making it as useful and modern as it actually is today. MorphOS is "Amiga NG". And while this (as you say) by all means isn't comparable to Windows or Mac OS, it's still ahelluvalot more than Amiga Forever. :)
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my PegII will continue to be an expensive boat anchor taking up space in my basement.
So when did you last use it?
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So when did you last use it?
Around December 2008.
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MOS has to have an office suite for work, a decent browser for the web, and a decent media player for recreation to be successful.
As said before, MorphOS has everything you mentioned except perhaps the Office Suite (if you would need to use an office pack on MorphOS you would have to use Google Apps or Microsoft Office Web Apps (haven't tried that on MorphOS yet myself)).
Frankly, I don't see how an office suite would bring hordes of new users to MorphOS anyway. Fundamentals in *miga design prevents any *miga OS from becoming a serious competitor on the desktop market. An office suite wouldn't change that.
It's here for the enthusiasts, which is fine by me! :)
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Around December 2008.
Ok, that explains your comments, a bit out of touch.
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Around December 2008.
Say no more.
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@ Golem!DK nicholas and TakeMeHomeGrandma
I'm not out of touch at all. You asked me when I last "USED" MOS. That implies real work. I last TRIED to use it for real work back in Dec 2008. It wasswitched on last about 2 months ago. I follow Amiga and MOS development daily. Just 2 months ago I tried installing the latest OWB and Netsurf on it. Installing and configuring both was a nightmare and they're still filled with bugs and crash regularly. I don'k like spending hours troubleshooting buggy software. My time is worth more to me than that. Not my idea of fun, so my PegII was switched off again until I see something WORTHWHILE to install on it again.
And you recommend using Google Docs as an app, please, that's pretty insulting. I'd rather use Windows notepad and a legal pad for calculations. And I never said hordes would run out and buy MOS. That will NEVER happen, especially since non-Amigans can't and won't be convinced that MOS is anything other than a toy for geeks. Before non-Amigans will buy it, they have to be convinced that it will do something useful, not just for surfing the web and playing an MP3 or a DVD. There are much better products out there for that and they're much more cost effective and easy to use than MOS. If you like throwing money away on antique hardware, and an overpriced and under supported OS, then sure, buy MOS or OS4. But don't fall into the trap that you're going to generate Documents, Presentations, or manage a business on either OS. Of course the Hyperion/A-Eon and MOS fan boys will argue with me. But if they're so right, why isn't the OS4 and MOS market really growing? Sure, MOS will gain a few more sales because of recent Mac support, but no businessman in his right mind is going to sink good money into an obsolete Mac that even Apple doesn't support any longer.
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@ Golem!DK nicholas and TakeMeHomeGrandma
I'm not out of touch at all. You asked me when I last "USED" MOS. That implies real work. I last TRIED to use it for real work back in Dec 2008. It wasswitched on last about 2 months ago. I follow Amiga and MOS development daily. Just 2 months ago I tried installing the latest OWB and Netsurf on it. Installing and configuring both was a nightmare and they're still filled with bugs and crash regularly. I don'k like spending hours troubleshooting buggy software. My time is worth more to me than that. Not my idea of fun, so my PegII was switched off again until I see something WORTHWHILE to install on it again.
Well, unless you really booted OS4 instead of MorphOS, it's just bullshit. First OWB doesn't even have to be installed since it's supplied with the OS, and besides, installing it is a matter of copying it wherever you like. It's also certainly not that crash-prone either. And i'm quite certain you didn't try it anyway, since you said earlier there was no download manager, flaky css, no plugin, which is totally wrong (some of these are there since the very first 1.0 release).
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Doubt all you want. The lastest OWB for OS4 stalled about 6 months ago and that's where it's likely to stay. It caused nothing but problems on my PegII. I tried installing MOS OWB 1.6 on my PegII, same story. Next tried Netsurf.....even worse disaster. Too much trouble and too little offered for me to keep wasting my time with any of them. Maybe if Timberwolf ever gets released I'll switch the damn thing back and give it a go, but I doubt it. It's easier and less time consuming to just turn on one of my PCs and know that it will work. I'm tired of fighting the losing battle of "Amiga NG". And I'm just talking about problems with browsers......if any office suites ever get developed, which is highly doubtful, I can only wonder what nightmares will accompany them.
BTW, my PegII is dual booting OS4 and MOS....
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Doubt all you want. The lastest OWB for OS4 stalled about 6 months ago and that's where it's likely to stay. It caused nothing but problems on my PegII. I tried installing MOS OWB 1.6 on my PegII, same story.
MorphOS 2.5 (released in June, that is four months ago) came with OWB 1.8. If you updated your system to MorphOS 2.5 you wouldnt have to install OWB updates on your own. If you installed MorphOS 2.6 to your system you would get OWB 1.10 with it.
Admittely it takes some time to download few tens of megabytes and press install button.
Next tried Netsurf.....even worse disaster. Too much trouble and too little offered for me to keep wasting my time with any of them.
Humm.. there havent been Netsurf update since 2009.
Maybe if Timberwolf ever gets released I'll switch the damn thing back and give it a go, but I doubt it.
What is Timberwolf? Oh, wait, you are talking about OS4 here. Giving feedback is always good but it is confusing when you are mixing apples and oranges...
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Comparison of Morphos to Apple mac OSX...
Morphos is hobbyist specialty OS.
Mac is mass market desktop computer...
Of course Apple can afford to Charge $30 for Snow Leopard, they make so much on all the other products.
Morphos is one step above shareware and developers should get paid for their work. Would you all rather purchase X1000's, expsinve lower speed sams, How about or for $150 + 50 MDD PowerMAc that can run 3.1 Amiga apps and classic game apps...and MAc OSX if you're so inclined..
Lemme guess you all would rather try to source a $250 Blizzzard 030 with 16 megs ram?
So at this point anything positive is shot down...
Would you be happy with a $50 100Ghz PC with 100 TB system ram, Holographic display, 10 TB of storage with AI processors...about the size of an iphone?
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I'm still at MOS 2.4. I will try to upgrade to 2.6 before trying any new browser installs although I'm not seeing anything compelling that makes me want to.
As for MOS being one step above shareware, I agree except that we're charged a retail price for it. Same can be said for OS4. Both should be priced one step above shareware. And for OS4 to have such poor USB and printing support at such a high price is criminal. Regardless of where Amiga came from in the past, people today have certain expectations about what an OS will do. And both MOS and OS4 are sorely lacking in many areas for users to pay retail prices. And I've heard all the arguments about economics and economies of scale......tell that to the Linux community, the MenuetOS community, Haiku, etc. They all have better support and performance and don't cost a dime. Amiga enthusiasts are simply being price gouged because of their fanatical love of Amiga, plain and simple.
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non-Amigans can't and won't be convinced that MOS is anything other than a toy for geeks..
But that is EXACTLY what it is. If you believe otherwise then more power to you but it is just a toy for big boys to play with.
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Doubt all you want. The lastest OWB for OS4 stalled about 6 months ago and that's where it's likely to stay. It caused nothing but problems on my PegII. I tried installing MOS OWB 1.6 on my PegII, same story. Next tried Netsurf.....even worse disaster. Too much trouble and too little offered for me to keep wasting my time with any of them.
My guess is you were mainly an OS4 user, and you only rarely booted in MorphOS, assuming the level of these applications was the same. That's why you didn't even notice there was a download manager, plugins, adblockers, configure mimetypes, ... (i could add quite many there). I also won't comment about the "nothing but problems" part, because that's clearly not the general experience.
Anyway, no need to discuss further. It's clear these platforms don't suit you anymore and that you don't have much interest in them anymore, but please avoid commenting about the so-called deficiencies of software you obviously didn't even try, though.
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"Amiga enthusiasts are simply being price gouged because of their fanatical love of Amiga, plain and simple. "
I believe this. So to recap in me expierience the best values out there are:
A) Amiga forever (legal dist of os3.1) or AROS or UAE
B) Morphos
C) Amiga os4
for anyone reading this who may be new to Amiga or has been away a long time. I recommend getting Amiga Forever. You will support a developer and get legal version of OS3.1 in a nice package.
I have owned A500, cdtv, cd32, 1000, 2000, 2500, 3000, 3000t, 4000d, 4000t, and minimig.
Get yourself a Pentium 4 that some folks give away and you'll be happy painlessly emulating all the above worry free for practically nothing.
At the end of the day Mophos and Amiga OS4 provide you with LESS of a computing experience you can get for free.
That bein said I am an Amiga fanatic and if supoorting Morphos helps support a platform, it's my cash and I'll spend it on this stuff.
I guess that's why Amiga stuff goes for insane amounts on eaby and why Amiga anything is expensive. For many of us thi has become a step above a vice such as drinking, gambling or recreational drugs. Keeps us away from the wifey and outta trouble.
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But that is EXACTLY what it is. If you believe otherwise then more power to you but it is just a toy for big boys to play with.
I agree with you and what I have been trying to point out is that both OS4 and MOS are being portrayed differently on this and other forums. They're being pushed as a high tech alternative OSs and they aren't. And that's especially true now that the X1000 is being developed. Nothing but hype about a co-processor (ala classic Amiga style) and how powerful the X1000 CPU is. The tech specs of the X1000 tell the real story. And MOS fan-boys telling me that I can do ANYTHING with MOS that I can do in Windows or Linux......not hardly They may not come right out and say such things on the developer web sites, but the devs of both MOS and OS4 appear on here and other forums regularly and make comments that at best can be viewed as misleading and at worst, false advertising. I'm tired of being scammed. Don't like to see it happen to others.
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ferells
Why have you polluted this thread with nonsense information? "limping around on a radeon 9000" "Try and find a MOS browser that is modern"
umm.. Morphos drivers and radeon 9000 is waaay faster than my Nvidia gforce 7900 agp on my windows box running linux or windows...
OWB is a very nice compatible browser that supports most websites...
You can pick up a used g4 powermac and buy morphos license for $350... that is the cheapest and fastest amiga os type solution in the world!
So stop talking crap because you clearly havent thought things through or are misinoformed
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"Amiga enthusiasts are simply being price gouged because of their fanatical love of Amiga, plain and simple. "
I believe this. So to recap in me expierience the best values out there are:
A) Amiga forever (legal dist of os3.1) or AROS or UAE
B) Morphos
C) Amiga os4
for anyone reading this who may be new to Amiga or has been away a long time. I recommend getting Amiga Forever. You will support a developer and get legal version of OS3.1 in a nice package.
I have owned A500, cdtv, cd32, 1000, 2000, 2500, 3000, 3000t, 4000d, 4000t, and minimig.
Get yourself a Pentium 4 that some folks give away and you'll be happy painlessly emulating all the above worry free for practically nothing.
At the end of the day Mophos and Amiga OS4 provide you with LESS of a computing experience you can get for free.
That bein said I am an Amiga fanatic and if supoorting Morphos helps support a platform, it's my cash and I'll spend it on this stuff.
I guess that's why Amiga stuff goes for insane amounts on eaby and why Amiga anything is expensive. For many of us thi has become a step above a vice such as drinking, gambling or recreational drugs. Keeps us away from the wifey and outta trouble.
We're in agreement. But I think Minimig, Natami, and the fpgaarcade should be sandwiched in there between A and B.
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ferells
Why have you polluted this thread with nonsense information? "limping around on a radeon 9000" "Try and find a MOS browser that is modern"
umm.. Morphos drivers and radeon 9000 is waaay faster than my Nvidia gforce 7900 agp on my windows box running linux or windows...
OWB is a very nice compatible browser that supports most websites...
You can pick up a used g4 powermac and buy morphos license for $350... that is the cheapest and fastest amiga os type solution in the world!
So stop talking crap because you clearly havent thought things through or are misinoformed
Yes, my PegII limps around on an ATI 9250. You're welcome to come see it if you'd like. And YOU'RE sadly misinformed if you think that either the Nvidia 7900 or an ATI 9250 represent modern computing. The benchmarks and tech specs prove it. Maybe 5 years ago!
Why would I spend approx. $600 USD for a computer that can't even surf the web properly right out of the box? If I'm looking for a toy, yeah, maybe.
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And YOU'RE sadly misinformed if you think that either the Nvidia 7900 or an ATI 9250 represent modern computing.
They've certainly moved on a lot since then. Even my GTX275 (linux runs fine on) is distinctly old news now.
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Thanks Karlos. I have a GTX 295 in my Windows tower and even it is a couple generations behind and a new GTX 480 runs rings around it. Nice to see that there are a few people on this forum who still keep up with PC hardware specs and don't go thru life wearing Amiga or MOS blinders (or goggles)......It's really annoying when one of them gets on here and trys to convince me that his Amiga or MOS video card with 64MB of RAM (which is just one step above a dumb framebuffer) can compete with anything currently on the graphics market.
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Are you sure you don't confuse OS4 with MorphOS too much here? :)
Bit of a low blow. Would this be the same OS4 I used MPlayer to watch media on the "most crippled hardware ever" (A1 XE) via my network when my PC's display card died?
It may not have been H264, but according to most people, this feat ought to be completely impossible since OS4 is so epically slow and the hardware so completely broken.
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Thanks Karlos. I have a GTX 295 in my Windows tower and even it is a couple generations behind and a new GTX 480 runs rings around it. Nice to see that there are a few people on this forum who still keep up with PC hardware specs and don't go thru life wearing Amiga or MOS blinders......It's really annoying when one of them gets on here and trys to convince me that his Amiga or MOS video card with 64MB of RAM (which is just one step above a dumb framebuffer) can compete with anything currently on the graphics market.
I'm sorely tempted to get a 480 as I got a bit hooked with CUDA on the 275. With the full speed double precision, increased cache and full IEEE 754 support, it looks a real computational powerhouse :)
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I'm sorely tempted to get a 480 as I got a bit hooked with CUDA on the 275. With the full speed double precision, increased cache and full IEEE 754 support, it looks a real computational powerhouse :)
Yeah, that's what I'm talkin' about!
Wouldn't it be cool if Nvidia developed a multi-core CPU based on their GPU technology and then wrote their own OS for it? That would be MY dream Amiga!
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And MOS fan-boys telling me that I can do ANYTHING with MOS that I can do in Windows or Linux......not hardly They may not come right out and say such things on the developer web sites, but the devs of both MOS and OS4 appear on here and other forums regularly and make comments that at best can be viewed as misleading and at worst, false advertising. I'm tired of being scammed. Don't like to see it happen to others.
Any examples?
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the devs of both MOS and OS4 appear on here and other forums regularly and make comments that at best can be viewed as misleading and at worst, false advertising.
It'd be interested to hear where MorphOS developers have posted misleading information or false advertising. Care to elaborate?
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I'm sure I can find some specific ones, but just look back on all the X1000 pre-release hype. What a let-down once the real specs were made public in the forums. The X1000 devs wanted to whip up as much enthusiam and excitement as possible and intentionally misled people by making statements about how powerful the X1000 co-processor would be. Turns out it probably won't even be used at all and it isn't useful for desktop computing anyway. It was just a marketing gimmick to get old school Amiga enthusiasts excited.....ala the original Amigas which used co-processors for sound and video. And of course there are plenty of MOS fans in this thread trying to convince me that MOS is just fine for office use......sadly, it isn't. I cannot import/export MS Office files or OpenOffice files. As for browsers, many of the web sites I need are protected using SmartCard technology and use custom java and javascript apps written for the military. Not to mention the web sites that use Flash 9 or greater. Before I bought my PegII and MOS back in 2007 I lurked in the forums and read as much as I could about MOS and the positive comments outnumbered the negatives in regard to just about everything. Several people metnioned that I should be patient and that office apps would surely arrive. It's 3 years later and I'm still waiting. And I'm willing to bet that in 3 more years, I'll still be waiting for decent office software. And I'm not even talking anything as huge as OpenOffice. What about AbiWord and GnuCalc for starters? I'm not going to use classic Amiga software developed in 1990s on my PegII and be satisified when I've paid 2007 retail prices for the OS.
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I'm sure I can find some specific ones
Please do. Because any of
but just look back on all the X1000 pre-release hype. What a let-down once the real specs were made public in the forums. The X1000 devs wanted to whip up as much enthusiam and excitement as possible and intentionally misled people by making statements about how powerful the X1000 co-processor would be. Turns out it probably won't even be used at all and it isn't useful for desktop computing anyway. It was just a marketing gimmick to get old school Amiga enthusiasts excited.....ala the original Amigas which used co-processors for sound and video. And of course there are plenty of MOS fans in this thread trying to convince me that MOS is just fine for office use......sadly, it isn't. I cannot import/export MS Office files or OpenOffice files. As for browsers, many of the web sites I need are protected using SmartCard technology and use custom java and javascript apps written for the military. Not to mention the web sites that use Flash 9 or greater. Before I bought my PegII and MOS back in 2007 I lurked in the forums and read as much as I could about MOS and the positive comments outnumbered the negatives in regard to just about everything. Several people metnioned that I should be patient and that office apps would surely arrive. It's 3 years later and I'm still waiting. And I'm willing to bet that in 3 more years, I'll still be waiting for decent office software. And I'm not even talking anything as huge as OpenOffice. What about AbiWord and GnuCalc for starters? I'm not going to use classic Amiga software developed in 1990s on my PegII and be satisified when I've paid 2007 retail prices for the OS.
...doesn't involve MorphOS developers.
Your statement was quite specific.
I feel that we MorphOS developers have always been honest about MorphOS, what it does and what it cannot do. We know the shortcomings and we understand that is isn't the right OS for everyone. This is one of the major reasons that there's a "free demo" version of the OS available. You just need to find a friend colleague with a compatible computer (much easier now with the Mac support) and give it a try.
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It'd be interested to hear where MorphOS developers have posted misleading information or false advertising. Care to elaborate?
I'm not talking about the official MOS dev team. I'm talking about some members of the fan base who can be "over enthusiastic" about MOS and its uses and some who write their own MOS apps. Don't get me wrong. I REALLY like MOS, even better than I like OS4, but I simply can't continue to support it with my cash when it doesn't offer me any way to recoup my investment. Perhaps that's my mistake for assuming that it was more than a hobby OS.
And the official MOS dev team has been nothing but helpful.....my apologies if I've upset anyone.
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I simply can't continue to support it with my cash when it doesn't offer me any way to recoup my investment. Perhaps that's my mistake for assuming that it was more than a hobby OS.
I can understand that.
I'm tired of being scammed. Don't like to see it happen to others.
What I can't understand is that you these days seem to have a mission to shoot down anything MorphOS related, regardless of the merits. I am fairly sure that people here are mature enough to make up their own mind about things.
Constructive criticism and feedback is always welcome of course. Calling it a scam is IMHO unfounded and plain rude.
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You are quite correct to be upset with my scam statement. My ire wasn't direct at the MOS dev team or you, but at folks in this forum who go out of their way to argue points that simply aren't true. Like the guy earlier in this thread who was trying to get me to believe that an ATI 9250 is even close to modern GPU performance. I'll try to be clearer the next time that I'm being rude.
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:-)
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I'm sorely tempted to get a 480 as I got a bit hooked with CUDA on the 275. With the full speed double precision, increased cache and full IEEE 754 support, it looks a real computational powerhouse :)
Save yourself a bit of cash and buy two or three 460s instead. ;-)
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Save yourself a bit of cash and buy two or three 460s instead. ;-)
I'll meet you half-way and buy two 470s!
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Why would I spend approx. $600 USD for a computer that can't even surf the web properly right out of the box? If I'm looking for a toy, yeah, maybe.
£45 for a G4 PowerMac + £100 for MorphOS 2.6 (which does "surf the web properly right out of the box").
It's just a toy too.
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Save yourself a bit of cash and buy two or three 460s instead. ;-)
My existing motherboard doesn't do SLI, only crossfire. It was one of the first to support the Q9450 and at that point there were shenanigans between nVidia and intel. Alas, thanks to my X48 chipset, no SLI for me.
Of course, that could be the perfect excuse to get an X58 and core i7...
However, getting a bit off-topic here :-)
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My ire wasn't direct at the MOS dev team or you, but at folks in this forum who go out of their way to argue points that simply aren't true.
Wow, talk about pot, kettle, black... just in a quick scan of the last few pages of this thread there are dozens of your comments that are just plain wrong, false, misleading... call them what you will. You must be pretty irate with yourself right now.
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ferells
You hijacked a nice important thread for the amiga world with your stupidity and trolling. Please knock it off you are really beginging to look sorry
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Like the guy earlier in this thread who was trying to get me to believe that an ATI 9250 is even close to modern GPU performance.
Firstly, what software on MorphOS runs too slow on ATI 9250? Don't get me wrong, I would also like to see some that do :-)
Until we have significant amount of software that's too slow, I'd say it's "good enough"
Secondly, wasn't the discussion about ATI 9000, rather than 9250? (At least you mentioned specifically 9000 in some of your posts) Sure, both lose to modern gfx cards, but 9000 is quite a lot faster than 9250.
And even if cards are "good enough" (for now), there's availability problem. Best (of the supported) models, like 9000 are almost impossible to find as new (but available on ebay etc.) while worst models, like 9250 are quite a bit easier to find (sometimes even new). And for most, even that is enough. For now.
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Firstly, what software on MorphOS runs too slow on ATI 9250? Don't get me wrong, I would also like to see some that do :-)
blender, quake3
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Yes, I have to agree with you. Others on here will point out that OSX is comparable in price, but OSX supports multi-core CPUs and has a wealth of applications out there. Try finding a decent office suite and a modern web browser for MOS. OSX also supports a broader range of hardware. MOS is still limping by on old ATI 9xxx series video cards. And yes, it will run on a multi-core system but only uses one core.
It is not that much about comparison of other products. It is a take it or leave it offer. Either you like it and and are willing to spend the money, or you aren't. It is not about being good or bad, right or wrong or such things. It is just a simple choice for the potential customer: Take it or leave it. It is not a bazaar where you can haggle for the price.
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MorphOS cannot do any serious work, it is a retro user hobby. If you want to do serious work you get a Windows based PC, a Linux based PC or a Mac with OSX.
I beg to differ. I use MorphOS for my university courses (Bachelor and Diploma courses for Biology/neuroscience). I write apps for teaching and research with Hollywood, write articles and stuff with google docs using OWB and do literature searches with OWB, watch video material of my experiments with MPlayer, do sketches with TV paint, modify/manage pictures of my work with showgirls, read docs with Apdf, do my meal communication with YAM, edit texts with Cubic/Gold ED.
Sure, there are apps I am missing (drivers for I/O-cards, Matlab, Adobe illustrator to name two improtant apps for my work), but actually I use MorphOS on my Mac mini for earning money.
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OWB or Netsurf won't do it.
Dunno what decent is in your book, but OWB is pretty decent. The only thing that could be better is Flash and hardware rendering of Cairo to speed some things up even more. But compability is great. Flash is losing importance, due to Apple and google pushing other formats.
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Morphos is one step above shareware and developers should get paid for their work.
Why should they ?
I have no doubt they are doing a lot of great work. But the same goes for the Haiku team for example... And you don't need to pay for it. You can donate, but don't have to.
Making people pay for it is their choice, I accept it. But they don't need to charge for it to continue: money pays for site hosting, computers/devices support, pizzas (;)),... but that's it.
I don't understand why on the Amiga everything needs to be paid for.
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Why should they ?
I have no doubt they are doing a lot of great work. But the same goes for the Haiku team for example... And you don't need to pay for it. You can donate, but don't have to.
Making people pay for it is their choice, I accept it. But they don't need to charge for it to continue: money pays for site hosting, computers/devices support, pizzas (;)),... but that's it.
I don't understand why on the Amiga everything needs to be paid for.
I also do not understand why the vast majority of people in the Amiga world think everything should be freaking free either.
If I had put the sort of work in required to write a PPC OS, i would very much like to have some token cash.
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Why should they ?
Why should your boss pay you to flip burgers? ;)
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@warpdesign
Well... you don't have to pay.
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Firstly, what software on MorphOS runs too slow on ATI 9250? Don't get me wrong, I would also like to see some that do :-)
Until we have significant amount of software that's too slow, I'd say it's "good enough"
Secondly, wasn't the discussion about ATI 9000, rather than 9250? (At least you mentioned specifically 9000 in some of your posts) Sure, both lose to modern gfx cards, but 9000 is quite a lot faster than 9250.
And even if cards are "good enough" (for now), there's availability problem. Best (of the supported) models, like 9000 are almost impossible to find as new (but available on ebay etc.) while worst models, like 9250 are quite a bit easier to find (sometimes even new). And for most, even that is enough. For now.
Exactly my point. What software? There really isn't much beyond 68k software and a web browser. Sure, those run pretty fast because they don't use or need 3D acceleration or anything else we've come to expect from current GPUs and systems.
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Exactly my point. What software? There really isn't much beyond 68k software and a web browser. Sure, those run pretty fast because they don't use or need 3D acceleration or anything else we've come to expect from current GPUs and systems.
Ok, second round. :)
We could really use faster gfx cards even with the software/games we have currently. Here are a few examples games or applications:
- Blender
- Stellarium
- Freespace 2
- Homeworld
- Aquaria
- Quake 3 and all its (more heavy) mods
- Return to Castle Wolftenstein and Wolftenstein: Enemy Territory (not released yet)
- Warzone2100
- UFO alien invasion
- Neverball
...
Most of them run good enough on Radeons, but it wouldn't hurt to have faster gfx cards to run some of them with higher details/resolution/whatever.
And by the way, OWB would benefit of an hw-accelerated cairo too (but there's no 3d stuff involved there).
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Why should your boss pay you to flip burgers?
Difference is that MOS development isn't their "job"...
You need to be paid for your job. You don't need to be paid for your hobby stuff... Even though it's time & work (which I don't deny). No one is forcing you to work on MorphOS: you have no contract (not that I know at least ;)). When you have a job, you have obligations, and your company is making money thanks to your work... So in returns mean you have to be paid for your work...
What I mean isn't that it's ok or not to do it. They choose to sell it, fine. But it's not mandatory. A lot of people have real jobs, work on their spare time on other OS (AROS, Haiku, Menuet,... just to name a few) and don't seem to have the need to require you to pay any money in order to use their product.
And it seems developers here seem to imply it is mandatory. As if any line of code required some cent...
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My existing motherboard doesn't do SLI, only crossfire. It was one of the first to support the Q9450 and at that point there were shenanigans between nVidia and intel. Alas, thanks to my X48 chipset, no SLI for me.
Of course, that could be the perfect excuse to get an X58 and core i7...
However, getting a bit off-topic here :-)
I think the 460 only supports two-way SLI, but even without that, can't you address the cards individually with CUDA, or does the API depend on hardware SLI?
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I just installed MorphOS 2.6 nice update, thanx MorphOS Team!
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Difference is that MOS development isn't their "job"...
You need to be paid for your job. You don't need to be paid for your hobby stuff... Even though it's time & work (which I don't deny). No one is forcing you to work on MorphOS: you have no contract (not that I know at least ;)). When you have a job, you have obligations, and your company is making money thanks to your work... So in returns mean you have to be paid for your work...
What I mean isn't that it's ok or not to do it. They choose to sell it, fine. But it's not mandatory. A lot of people have real jobs, work on their spare time on other OS (AROS, Haiku, Menuet,... just to name a few) and don't seem to have the need to require you to pay any money in order to use their product.
And it seems developers here seem to imply it is mandatory. As if any line of code required some cent...
No one is forcing you to buy MorphOS either.
I've just bought a 1.25GHz G4 eMac for £20 for the wife. Gonna install MOS on it and see how she fairs. :)
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I think the 460 only supports two-way SLI, but even without that, can't you address the cards individually with CUDA, or does the API depend on hardware SLI?
You can certainly use them independently but I think there's a performance leverage with SLI. As I've only the one card atm, I've not looked too deeply into it but I think it makes sharing large working datasets between the GPUs that much easier.
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You can certainly use them independently but I think there's a performance leverage with SLI. As I've only the one card atm, I've not looked too deeply into it but I think it makes sharing large working datasets between the GPUs that much easier.
U got mail bro.
Daddy has a new baby. :)
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Ok, second round. :)
We could really use faster gfx cards even with the software/games we have currently. Here are a few examples games or applications:
- Blender
- Stellarium
- Freespace 2
- Homeworld
- Aquaria
- Quake 3 and all its (more heavy) mods
- Return to Castle Wolftenstein and Wolftenstein: Enemy Territory (not released yet)
- Warzone2100
- UFO alien invasion
- Neverball
...
Most of them run good enough on Radeons, but it wouldn't hurt to have faster gfx cards to run some of them with higher details/resolution/whatever.
And by the way, OWB would benefit of an hw-accelerated cairo too (but there's no 3d stuff involved there).
Sure, 5 yr old hardware should run 10+ yr old games quite well. I won't dispute that. And I'm sure the "newer" games run fine too albeit using a subset (TinyGL) of a VERY old release of OpenGL. Maybe version 1.1 or 1.2. The current release of OpenGL is 4.1. So if you're a retro gamer who likes to play on retro-hardware, then knock yourself out.
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Sure, 5 yr old hardware should run 10+ yr old games quite well. I won't dispute that. And I'm sure the "newer" games run fine too albeit using a subset (TinyGL) of a VERY old release of OpenGL. Maybe version 1.1 or 1.2. The current release of OpenGL is 4.1. So if you're a retro gamer who likes to play on retro-hardware, then knock yourself out.
You bought a hackers toy to play the latest games?
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