CUSA Poll

[EDanaII]

I just registered at AW.NET and attempted to post this in the CUSA POLL thread over there, but it turns out I can't post for a day...

So, I'm posting this here. Anyone who can post over there is welcome to repost this over there.


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Might I suggest multiple polls, such as the following:

CPU
* M68K
* Natami M68K softcore
* PPC
* ARM
* x86/x64
* Other

Motherboard
* x86 based
* PPC sam/x1000 based
* Natami/Amiga based
* Other

OS
* AmigaOS 3.9
* AmigaOS 4.1
* MorphOS
* AROS
* Amithlon/Umilator with OS 3.9
* Amithlon/Umilator with OS 4.1 (assumed: 68k compiled version)
* Amiga-like with Linux kernel (to enable memory protection, smp, etc...)
* Any Amiga like option listed above.
* Linux
* Windows
* Other

* Price
* Affordable
* Moderate
* Expensive
* Don't care.

Hardware future
* Based in the past
* Expandible for the future
* Don't care

I would also recommend that it is emphasized which options are doable in the time-frame suggested by CUSA and which aren't. For example, standard x86 hardware with AROS is definitely doable. MorphOS/AmigaOS 4.1 is debatable, and, for example, an Amiga-like motherboard with any OS most likely not.

My two cents...

[Argo]

Hell, I can't do either at AW.net

[EDanaII]

I assume you meant you tried registering and posting too?

I suppose it's an anti-flame measure...

Oh well, I'll try again tomorrow, if no one else does.

[wawrzon]

this poll is too complicated
lets look at such a selection:

* ARM
* PPC sam/x1000 based
* AmigaOS 3.9
* Expensive
* Based in the past

what sence does it make to duplicate choices?
the alternatives boil down to about what i posted on awnet already
choice of os, which implies choice of hardware, except aros, alternatively a new 68k asic and/or amigalike case with original keyboard layout. what else remains?

[EDanaII]

I'm not suggesting a single poll, I'm suggesting multiple polls to better get at what Amigans really want.

What they want for this so-called new Amiga is actually multi-layered. Some want AmigaOS PPC, others want AmigaOS x86 or ARM or etc... others want Natami/Amiga (I.e. custom chip, integrated CPU/Graphics) but a Natami style doesn't have to limit itself to m68k for a CPU. Nor does the x86 have to limit itself to BIOS/Intel. Speaking for myself, idealistically, I'd love to have the integration of an Amiga Mobo and the power of an x86 or ARM CPU. So, I'm suggesting multiple polls is to get and overall design.

Practically speaking, however, pretty much only x86 on a standard Intel mobo is doable in six months...

[ShapeShifter]

Looking for:

Latest PowerPC CPU supported by OS4 for modern performance
plus 68K CPU, but faster than an 68040 and more compatible too (*)
plus AGA, but enhanced, with fallback ECS support too (*)
plus Graphics card included (*)
plus AmigaOS 4.X, able to run natively any 68K or PPC app.

The items marked with (*) can be implemented easily and cheaply via FPGA technology, powered by the Minimig AGA core currently under active development by MikeJ and Yaqubed. Soft core approach also allows for dynamic reconfiguration between 68000 thru 68060, OCS thru AGA and beyond, without reliance on Amiga ASIC custom chips which would be prohibitively expensive to produce and so aren't present on the "Amiga NG" systems.

[EDanaII]

choice of os, which implies choice of hardware, except aros, alternatively a new 68k asic and/or amigalike case with original keyboard layout. what else remains?

Oh, and choice of OS does not imply choice of hardware. CUSA has not, as yet, ruled out, for example, the choice of OS4.1 on x86. They simply asked Amigans "what do you want?" And Amigans are definitely not divided along the OS4.1 only on PPC line, for example.

[bloodline]

Practically speaking, however, pretty much only x86 on a standard Intel mobo is doable in six months...

http://www.raspberrypi.org/

Simple really

[amiman99]

http://www.raspberrypi.org/

Simple really

I know is off topic, but I was planning to use Raspberry PI to run amiga Emulator, when available, but if OS4 was ported to the Raspberry the I'm all for it.
Just look at it, $35 Amiga

[SamuraiCrow]

It looks like somebody started a similar series of poll questions on Blogspot.

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=34814&forum=44

I've voted there.

[bloodline]

I know is off topic, but I was planning to use Raspberry PI to run amiga Emulator, when available, but if OS4 was ported to the Raspberry the I'm all for it.
Just look at it, $35 Amiga

Honestly forget about OS4 on the Raspberry Pi, OS4 is for PPC and it's not going anywhere

AROS on the other hand has ARM ports, and I fully intend to use the Raspberry Pi as my full time AROS machine UAE will work on such a machine, but don't expect it to run any faster than an A500

[EDanaII]

@ SamuraiCrow

Hmmm... me thinks your link needs to be posted in the news section of this forum, for any who might miss it...

While his polls more or less get at what I was getting at, there are a couple of things that concern me. Minor concerns: I think form-factor isn't important at this stage. As reflected by my suggestions, for example, I think the mobo architecture i.e. BIOS vs Amiga Early Startup Menu, kernel in ROM vs. read from HD is more relevant.

Major concerns: this poll can be voted on more than once. And he keeps adding additional polls which may have the affect of skewing the results, but I could be wrong on my interpretation there...

Like I said, I think this needs to be a news item. I'll try re-posting it.

[amiman99]

Honestly forget about OS4 on the Raspberry Pi, OS4 is for PPC and it's not going anywhere

AROS on the other hand has ARM ports, and I fully intend to use the Raspberry Pi as my full time AROS machine UAE will work on such a machine, but don't expect it to run any faster than an A500

When AROS is fully supported in Raspberry PI, then I will install it for sure. thanx for the tip.

[amigadave]

Oh, and choice of OS does not imply choice of hardware. CUSA has not, as yet, ruled out, for example, the choice of OS4.1 on x86. They simply asked Amigans "what do you want?" And Amigans are definitely not divided along the OS4.1 only on PPC line, for example.

I don't understand your statement above Ed.  What do you mean that Amigans are not divided along the OS4.1 only on PPC line?

That reads like all Amigans are undivided and want OS4.1 only on PPC, which is very far from the truth.  The Amiga community is very much divided in many different directions and those that want OS4.1 on only PPC are only a small part of the whole community.  I must be missing something, or taking your above statement out of context, so I will go looking for the context in the rest of the thread.

[EDanaII]

I'm saying, Dave, that there are some who want AmigaOS 4.1 on x86. I'm one of them... But I also wouldn't complain about MorphOS and am just as fine with AROS... but it still needs more polishing.