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Offline runequester

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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #209 from previous page: March 16, 2011, 03:12:12 AM »
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I think atheists are blind to evidence that faces them their every waking moment.
Or they just deny it.
I feel much more comfortable with my own morality, not because I believe in an afterlife, but because I now believe my life to be a very small part of an ongoing spectacle that will continue to unfold after me.
Who would want to live forever?


I think believers are blind to evidence that faces them their every waking moment.
Or they just deny it.


Or maybe sweeping generalizations is something we should all put behind us.
 

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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #210 on: March 16, 2011, 03:34:31 AM »
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I think believers are blind to evidence that faces them their every waking moment.
Or they just deny it.


Or maybe sweeping generalizations is something we should all put behind us.

Perhaps, and then perhaps not. This is not a simple argument like asking if a glass is half full or half empty (its not a matter of perception).
Some generalizations are valid.
There are rules that govern all physical phenomenon, although physics is beginning to question whether these rules apply in all states.
I guess its a matter of whether or not you believe that there is someone formulating the rules.

"I think therefore I am", "Let there be light", the big bang?
All related in my cosmos.

So at the heart of my beliefs, a sweeping generalization that everything is connected. A vast ballet of mathematics, physics, and rules that coexist to produce a result.  
We are small creatures limited in our intellect facing a vast construct that we will one day disappear from.
As men, unique amongst all creatures we have learned to question this and to learn and grow past our place in the natural order.

But whether or not you agree with me, man is still only a a meat machine with a grand but still limited neural net processor.
He's not God, and no matter how great our achievements, he never will be.

So you can have your humanist views affirming agnostic or atheistic sentiments and I can have mine.
In the long run it doesn't matter because we will never get an answer to this question.
And one day, we will be gone.
I can live with that.
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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #211 on: March 16, 2011, 03:42:29 AM »
@Runequestor

Lol, you beat me to it  :)
The whole blind faith thing, regardless of rationality thing baffles me. so does the internal justification for maintaining such beliefs. I have no qualms with people having faith, but comments like (to paraphrase), "it must be true 'cos it cant be disproven" to me is crazy.

I have a ghost in my house. Ive never seen it, heard it or felt it, but I cant disprove it therefore it's probably real. Come on, seriously ?
People can come up with twisted logic to support thier own beliefs for anything be it God, or twelve foot squirrels.

All this said and done though any chance people can take the religion talk elsewhere. I really dont want to offend others with my beliefs (that there is no God), and I'd hope others would have the same courteousy.
Near as I can tell this is where I write something under the guise of being innocuous, but really its a pot shot at another persons/peoples choice of Amiga based systems. Unfortunately only I cant see how transparent and petty it makes me look.
 

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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #212 on: March 16, 2011, 03:43:05 AM »
Has anyone heard whether or not the workers (some or all) or a new crew have re-entered the facility?
This is the current rumor on the news and the web.
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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #213 on: March 16, 2011, 03:44:57 AM »
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Uh, bad news that is current.
Workers are being pulled out of the Fukushima nuclear facility.
Remember earlier when I said things could get worse?

Well without workers, there will be no one to maintain the water levels in Reactors 1, 2, 3 and in the spent fuel pools above reactor 4.

Partial fuel degradation has occurred in all four locations (with maintenance).
Now, we have a live experiment in how bad a nuclear plant accident can get.

Once again, God bless and preserve the people of the nation of Japan.


The workers that you speak of were part of the original plants work force not anything to do with the brave souls who are currently risking life and limb trying to make the reactors safe...

Honestly, I do think your getting caught up in all the mainstream media crap about this disaster by claiming things like "well without workers", the vast majority of the plants normal work force have been long since taken out and it's the clean up crews and specialists who are now trying to maintain things and keep it under control... :)

You really should take a step back and consider ALL the facts available before you continue speculating on just how bad things might get, as you seem to be more worried about it than most rational people, take it easy man, if it happens, it happens, if it doesn't, it doesn't... no point in worrying yourself over something that will most likely not affect you directly... ;)
 

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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #214 on: March 16, 2011, 03:46:36 AM »
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So you can have your humanist views affirming agnostic or atheistic sentiments and I can have mine.
In the long run it doesn't matter because we will never get an answer to this question.
And one day, we will be gone.
I can live with that.


In the end, the important part isn't if we get an answer, it's if the universe runs on 68K :)
 

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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #215 on: March 16, 2011, 03:55:25 AM »
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@Runequestor

Lol, you beat me to it  :)
The whole blind faith thing, regardless of rationality thing baffles me. so does the internal justification for maintaining such beliefs. I have no qualms with people having faith, but comments like (to paraphrase), "it must be true 'cos it cant be disproven" to me is crazy.

I have a ghost in my house. Ive never seen it, heard it or felt it, but I cant disprove it therefore it's probably real. Come on, seriously ?
People can come up with twisted logic to support thier own beliefs for anything be it God, or twelve foot squirrels.

All this said and done though any chance people can take the religion talk elsewhere. I really dont want to offend others with my beliefs (that there is no God), and I'd hope others would have the same courteousy.

Interesting, but I don't believe in ghosts or 12 foot squirrels.
And I don't question your right to believe whatever you want.
I  fact I don't believe that either position holds any particular consequence.

And if you can, disprove the existence of God.
I can't prove God existence to you.

But everything I see in this Universe tells me life is an inherent part of it.

So whether or not you believe an all encompassing intellect is involved in the basic structure the cosmos is not important to me.

Personally, I find it hard to believe that order derives from chaos and that man is the apex of intelligence.
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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #216 on: March 16, 2011, 04:00:28 AM »
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In the end, the important part isn't if we get an answer, it's if the universe runs on 68K :)


Well we all know the answer to "Life, The Universe and Everything" is 42... :)

So we just need to figure out how we get the 68K to come up with the answer 42 and bobs your uncle, we will have proof that the universe and everything in it runs on 68K... :D

(Just hope to gawd it doesn't turn out to be run on an old ZX Spectrum running on a Z80 or were really stuffed... :eek:)
 

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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #217 on: March 16, 2011, 04:03:39 AM »
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The workers that you speak of were part of the original plants work force not anything to do with the brave souls who are currently risking life and limb trying to make the reactors safe...

Honestly, I do think your getting caught up in all the mainstream media crap about this disaster by claiming things like "well without workers", the vast majority of the plants normal work force have been long since taken out and it's the clean up crews and specialists who are now trying to maintain things and keep it under control... :)

You really should take a step back and consider ALL the facts available before you continue speculating on just how bad things might get, as you seem to be more worried about it than most rational people, take it easy man, if it happens, it happens, if it doesn't, it doesn't... no point in worrying yourself over something that will most likely not affect you directly... ;)

It hasn't been speculation Franko.
Days ago I told you what could happen, why it could happen, and what events would precede it.
Unfortunately, it looks like a worst case scenario is unfolding.

The "experts" should stop minimizing this and state the painfully obvious. This situation is unlike anything that has preceded it and that its going to get worse as this real world experiment continues.

Even if they had managed this under control, it would be months or years before this was over.

To repeat what I said days ago, we've never seen a total meltdown, yet...
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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #218 on: March 16, 2011, 04:05:05 AM »
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Well we all know the answer to "Life, The Universe and Everything" is 42... :)

So we just need to figure out how we get the 68K to come up with the answer 42 and bobs your uncle, we will have proof that the universe and everything in it runs on 68K... :D

(Just hope to gawd it doesn't turn out to be run on an old ZX Spectrum running on a Z80 or were really stuffed... :eek:)


thatd explain the dodgy graphics when I walk outside
 

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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #219 on: March 16, 2011, 04:12:49 AM »
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Well we all know the answer to "Life, The Universe and Everything" is 42... :)

So we just need to figure out how we get the 68K to come up with the answer 42 and bobs your uncle, we will have proof that the universe and everything in it runs on 68K... :D

(Just hope to gawd it doesn't turn out to be run on an old ZX Spectrum running on a Z80 or were really stuffed... :eek:)

Ugh, whale blubber.

Personally I always like the sentiment "So long and thanks for the fish".
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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #220 on: March 16, 2011, 04:14:01 AM »
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I keep telling our cats to get a job.
me too they dont listen mouse catchers athough job kfc whould be there choice
not sure get work done apart from licking the grill thoughty
Maybe should not  post when am drunk and ony had 2 glasses of beer
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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #221 on: March 16, 2011, 04:14:56 AM »
What horrible thought! Life is a simulation and God has a dodgy computer.

Although I am comfortable with the idea that Bill Gates is the Anti-Christ.
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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #222 on: March 16, 2011, 04:15:07 AM »
@ Iggy

Sorry, but until and IF it happens then it is nothing more than speculation, as you say we've never seen a total meltdown before and were not likely to see one either in this case...

Again though with a total meltdown never having ever occurred, it all just speculation and guesswork as to what the results would be of a total meltdown... :)

Even the different so called experts and their computer models vary wildly in what the result of a total meltdown would be. So in the meantime let the ones in charge of trying to bring it under control try to solve the problem and at the end of it all only then will we see who was right and who was wrong... :)

As I say no point in worrying or speculating over something which you and I have no control over whether we like it or not... ;)
 

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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #223 on: March 16, 2011, 04:16:28 AM »
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thatd explain the dodgy graphics when I walk outside


:roflmao:

Wasn't expecting that reply, me jaws sore with laughing now... :D
 

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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #224 on: March 16, 2011, 04:16:38 AM »
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me too they dont listen mouse catchers athough job kfc whould be there choice
not sure get work done apart from licking the grill thoughty
Maybe should not  post when am drunk and ony had 2 glasses of beer

Beer sounds good.
I'm going to bed.
God bless you all whether he (or you for that matter) exist or not.

Jim

And I hope your right Franko. Its bad enough think of everything else that's happened, then this and the consequences that will occur even if a miracle occurs and nothing else happens.
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