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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga community support ideas => Topic started by: vox on January 02, 2014, 09:19:03 PM
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Learn about love of Amiga users
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http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=38578&forum=32&viewmode=flat&order=0
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More of this rubbish? Looks like by whining and b****ing enough Vox got what he wanted, eh?
Read post #62 in this thread, from @Wain:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4455&page=5
While I do believe it would(should??) be in Eyetech's best interest to help staticman out with at most a small fee, depending upon the repairability of the board, "the customer is always right" is the biggest load of crap ever introduced to the retail world. There is not a statement I loathe more because it is primarily only used when a customer is doing his darndest to rip off a company and not acknowledge his own fault in the situation.
More often than not, not only is the customer wrong, but the customer is trying to scam the company because they learned at McDonalds that if they scream loudly enough they'll get something for free.
Interestingly enough, a study was done a few years back (can't find a reference off hand) on the quality of retail customer service and salesmanship in the US as compared to a study done in the seventies.
The original findings were that customer service and salesmanship quality had dropped by HUGE amounts as compared to a couple decades ago. However, further research was done and it was eventually found, that Customer Service and Salesmanship quality in the US was actually greatly higher than it had been in the 70's, however the CUSTOMERS had become such downright awful, despicable people by and large, that it made it look like CS was really bad nearly everywhere you went because people were always unhappy because they didn't get a free yacht with their pop-tarts, and they felt they were "owed" somtheing.
Last time I heard someone yell "The customer is always right!" at me was when they'd thrown a glass bottle at their monitor, cracked the screen, and were pissed off that my company wouldn't give them a new one for free.
We weren't even the manufacturer of the monitor.
Same logic still applies.
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@Vox
http://youtube.com/watch?v=S7RjXjAeHws
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@Vox
http://youtube.com/watch?v=S7RjXjAeHws
Bad choice English bwai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i99Yhd-ohEs
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More of this rubbish? Looks like by whining and b****ing enough Vox got what he wanted, eh?
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http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38580&forum=2&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0
@edponpon
Having custom made A1 500 wid Daddys case and MOS
Forgetting the AmigaOS until 5.0
Trying and donating AROS PPC
Learning MOS to the bone
Supporting MOS
Going courtwize if needed with unholy trinity
Nuff?
Yes, changing Amiga board too as soon as 3 small jons are done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-CN2XxsSEE
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Bad choice English bwai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i99Yhd-ohEs
Dissing homegrown British reggae whilst oblivious to the sentiment behind my choice of song?
Bad bad rasta.
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sounds like you should have done your research before going out and buying that machine.
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please stop now vox
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When I read the thread title I thought it was going to be about what OS4 users got up to in the bedroom, kinda disappointed now...
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his views are a little extreme but you can't blame the guy...
He wants what he paid so dearly for... working drivers.
It it crazy to expect after you've plopped down your 3,000$+ that the company would follow through on their promises and deliver the working drivers after how long now?
How long have they been promising finished drivers? SMP?
I suppose they had no idea it would take these long to deliver this to their customers... bad move taking everyone's money and over promising on what you'd get AFTER your purchase of this uber expensive hardware.
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his views are a little extreme but you can't blame the guy...
He wants what he paid so dearly for... working drivers.
It it crazy to expect after you've plopped down your 3,000$+ that the company would follow through on their promises and deliver the working drivers after how long now?
How long have they been promising finished drivers? SMP?
I suppose they had no idea it would take these long to deliver this to their customers... bad move taking everyone's money and over promising on what you'd get AFTER your purchase of this uber expensive hardware.
True dat. I did knew everything but they were crazy n lazy ...
So, I am gonna go MorphOS now.
Caant stop it, seen?
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I'd love a morphos machine someday.
Be sure to also support aros VOX...
They promise NOTHING but deliver so much!
Sorry for your bad experience with os4 and x1000.
I think you'll really enjoy morphOs, at at 1/10th the price!
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I think Vox should switch to MOS as it's cheaper and more functional. If it were me i would tower a MacMini using the x1000 case (i forget the name of the company that makes them). I'm thinking about doing it myself.
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I think Vox should switch to MOS as it's cheaper and more functional. If it were me i would tower a MacMini using the x1000 case (i forget the name of the company that makes them). I'm thinking about doing it myself.
But I am I, and InI will use Lorianos X500 case and my choice of components. :banana:
Added vote section, feel free to cast votes!
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his views are a little extreme but you can't blame the guy...
He wants what he paid so dearly for... working drivers.
It it crazy to expect after you've plopped down your 3,000$+ that the company would follow through on their promises and deliver the working drivers after how long now?
What fan are we ? Amiga, right? Have we not learned from our previous situations that there have been promises, unfulfilled, before? I would never buy hardware with the "promise" of software. You buy it as it sits. If it has what you need, then great, if it doesnt, then thats something you should have expected. I feel no pity for vox at all.
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What fan are we ? Amiga, right? Have we not learned from our previous situations that there have been promises, unfulfilled, before? I would never buy hardware with the "promise" of software. You buy it as it sits. If it has what you need, then great, if it doesnt, then thats something you should have expected. I feel no pity for vox at all.
Well, then I will ask for no pity, but way to get boxed MOS and how to enter Beta test for SAM460 version (would prepay MOS 4.6) as well as which PCI-E gfx cards MOS supports. Thanks.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1448199502074866&set=pb.1441856596042490.-2207520000.1388718009.&type=3&theater
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tVKRs4kfqc
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Dissing homegrown British reggae whilst oblivious to the sentiment behind my choice of song?
Bad bad rasta.
Maybe this is more to the point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIoHSu5v1Mo
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IToSTBsl82I
lol
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graves of the 80'ies and now divided we stand..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE2k0VX44J4
all darkthrone titles seem somehow fitting i cant help it. sorry. that happens when someone posts too many reggae links.
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I kill you all with this song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tVKRs4kfqc
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38578&forum=32
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cecu25g7HWM
:flame:
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I kill you all with this song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0
Get with the times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVCzdpagXOQ
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New Years is over, take off the tinfoil party hat.
You should have done your homework before going into hock to buy a $3000 NG Amiga. The facts are clear and concise, the X1000 is what it is support wise and I didn't buy one because I didn't care for the "really soon now!!!11" premise. That's fine by me, and fine by them I am sure, and I didn't start a smear campaign over it. My SAM 440 is suiting me just fine still. My MOS machines I use quite often and love the OS, just like I love OS4. It's a hobby, something to piss around with on the weekends, not a Holy War.
Don't smear an entire community of people in a "scene" because they don't agree with your hysterically and increasingly insane views on things. Sometimes you gotta ask "is it me and not the rest of the world?"
I find the OS4 community warm and welcoming, and I can say the same for the MOS guys. I've seen both not take warmly to rambling lunatics in the past, and it's likely not the last time.
I feel bad for the MOS diehards that are going to have to deal with whatever lunacy that flies out of your head next over a $100 OS and a $100 old Mac Mini or something. I'm sure it'll be something amusing and wacky in its own right, like how you'll destroy "da bad men whu sell da MOS tell lies dat it do HD youtube, bwai"
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Any chance of booting vox from the forum and cleaning all the shyte threads and posts? If anyone came here to see what Amiga is all about, they would run screaming for the hills.
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Any chance of booting vox from the forum and cleaning all the shyte threads and posts? If anyone came here to see what Amiga is all about, they would run screaming for the hills.
+1. Seriously. I get that we all have to be a little bit "crazy" to still be messing around with 25-year-old computers, but this guy needs mental help, or something.
I'd almost rather have Franko and Doommaster back. Almost. :flame::roflmao:
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I can't completely write off Vox after doing poetry. Sorry, i just can't.
Can you?
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Any chance of booting vox from the forum and cleaning all the shyte threads and posts? If anyone came here to see what Amiga is all about, they would run screaming for the hills.
It would not surprise me if that was the entire idea behind his nonsense.
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Any chance of booting vox from the forum and cleaning all the shyte threads and posts? If anyone came here to see what Amiga is all about, they would run screaming for the hills.
That is a sad state of community, no lies.
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Any chance of booting vox from the forum and cleaning all the shyte threads and posts? If anyone came here to see what Amiga is all about, they would run screaming for the hills.
on the contrary. this threads should be made sticky to warn newcomers about the state of the "community" and make them aware, what "amiga" dedication can do to them.
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I think Vox should switch to MOS as it's cheaper and more functional. If it were me i would tower a MacMini using the x1000 case (i forget the name of the company that makes them). I'm thinking about doing it myself.
Fractal Design (Swedish company), the Define R series are great cases, tho I wouldn't pay all that extra for the custom front.
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New Years is over, take off the tinfoil party hat.
I find the OS4 community warm and welcoming, and I can say the same for the MOS guys. I've seen both not take warmly to rambling lunatics in the past, and it's likely not the last time.
I'm sure it'll be something amusing and wacky in its own right, like how you'll destroy "da bad men whu sell da MOS tell lies dat it do HD youtube, bwai"
You must be mad.
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VOX, you should probably move away from the entire NG Amiga scene and find yourself a nice classic system, and use Linux for modern needs. As I see it, no NG Amiga will ever fulfil your needs.
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I'm not the one that bought a machine outside my budget, one that 3 minutes of investigation on said machine, well - one would have known certain onboard features were not natively supported.
I did my homework on the X1000 and couldn't warrant spending $3000 on a machine I'd have to tack add on cards onto if I wanted full functionality. It took 3 minutes of web surfing to discover that fact and I kept my 440, which I'm still entirely happy with. Was a lot easier to do that 3 minutes of web surfing than it was to mount some sort of insane witch hunt after I'd bought a machine that was possibly beyond my means, I figured. But whatever floats ones boat, no harm no foul. The X1000 simply wasn't, and still isn't - worth it to me. That being said, it doesn't make it a bad machine, it just makes it a machine that's not worth the bang it offers for the bucks of mine that they are asking for it.
I am curious to see what particular issues you'll nitpick about with MOS when you finally get the MOS machine, is all. There will be one, and there *will* be another one of your patented "Great Satan" 3 week rants where your defense of your "truths" as you see them are nothing more than more links to some oddball reggae video that apparently should make sense to people. Hyperion bad! Threaten to sue because you didn't fact check, and when that causes great hilarity, crack out the I and I, Jah routine and reggae videos. Weird stuff, Man - all I'm saying.
This being said, I wish you the best of luck finding a machine you are 110% happy with. I bought my 440 in 2008 or so, and despite the fact it is a little slow by todays standards, I still enjoy it and OS4 a great deal, just like I enjoy my MOS machines.
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graves of the 80'ies and now divided we stand..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re2k0vx44j4
all darkthrone titles seem somehow fitting i cant help it. Sorry. That happens when someone posts too many reggae links.
lol
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Amiga.org was the first forum I posted on. I got swept away by the drama and wrote a lot of nonsense and even thought it mattered sometimes. Now I have had an Amiga sized break from Amiga. Did a forum lurk during the holidays and found out that it was business as usual. I kept the account here if I unbox the Amigas again, since there are so many great and knowledgeable people here to ask for advice.
Happy 2014
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Why is everyone attacking Vox when he is only complaining about a machine that "is not fit for purpose", in Britain it is illegal to sell goods that are not fit for purpose, by attacking Vox you are saying "we do not care about the quality of goods offered to the Amiga community" and therefore you cannot complain if other products are offered in a similarly unfinished state.
You will get the products you deserve.
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Why is everyone attacking Vox when he is only complaining about a machine that "is not fit for purpose", in Britain it is illegal to sell goods that are not fit for purpose, by attacking Vox you are saying "we do not care about the quality of goods offered to the Amiga community" and therefore you cannot complain if other products are offered in a similarly unfinished state.
You will get the products you deserve.
If you are selling a car that does not drive or a TV-Set that cannot show something than it is of course illegal. But his X1000 booted and worked, just that his expectations were higher. Partly drivers for onboard hardware missing so "solved" by using additional hardware. All known (even if you are not a AmigaOS fan) just by reading forums. And much too expensive of course and 4.2. propably far away. But all known to everyone.
So it is computer that is booting and running software. In this sense it "fits the purpose". No law can stop you wasting money on overprized goods if you insist on it.
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VOX, you should probably move away from the entire NG Amiga scene and find yourself a nice classic system, and use Linux for modern needs. As I see it, no NG Amiga will ever fulfil your needs.
Its NOt about hardware or software but how people behave and how worthy is their word.
I do use Linux.
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Why is everyone attacking Vox when he is only complaining about a machine that "is not fit for purpose", in Britain it is illegal to sell goods that are not fit for purpose, by attacking Vox you are saying "we do not care about the quality of goods offered to the Amiga community" and therefore you cannot complain if other products are offered in a similarly unfinished state.
You will get the products you deserve.
And according to EU laws they are even in deeper probs - no money back guarantee, only 1 year guarantee on hardware, no real promise of OS 4.2 and beta OS. That is by far far incomplete product.
Problem wasn`t in my knowledge by in AmigaKit services, in Hyperions stance that they do not need to take any haste on TW4, ethernet etc. and Trevors idea that everything is OK. Bug time down turner. They all focus on X2000 now, and they simply never finish things, so I have lost all trust in them, especially after Amiwest 2013. :uzi:
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And according to EU laws they are even in deeper probs - no money back guarantee, only 1 year guarantee on hardware, no real promise of OS 4.2 and beta OS. That is by far far incomplete product.
Problem wasn`t in my knowledge by in AmigaKit services, in Hyperions stance that they do not need to take any haste on TW4, ethernet etc. and Trevors idea that everything is OK. Bug time down turner. They all focus on X2000 now, and they simply never finish things, so I have lost all trust in them, especially after Amiwest 2013. :uzi:
It was explained to you that a warranty covers any manufacturing defect that causes failure or malfunction and that you have reported no such problem.
I don't know why you take issue with TW either since it's a third party project that just happened to be done by the Friedens. Why ethernet too, you got a perfectly fine PCI NIC.
How do you know that all effort is focussed on Cyrus now?
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I think that too (that they are more concentrating on Cyrrus than on update for the existing users) because they can there sell more (or propably more easily) new licenses for Cyrrus based on Update 6 than finishing 4.2. first (with adding Gallium/SMP what propably is a lot more difficult to add than writing some drivers for a new hardware). I think I can remember Solie somewhere (I believe Q&A session) mentioning Update 7.
But even if... noone guaranteed SMP and Gallium, propably not even 4.2. update. Perhaps a X1000 owner can correct me there and say if it is mentioned somewhere in the contract. If not it is not in and Vox has no chance when he goes to court because of it.
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. If not it is not in and Vox has no chance when he goes to court because of it.
He has no chance because it would be prohibitively expensive for him to go to court in the UK, or anywhere else in the EU.
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It was explained to you that a warranty covers any manufacturing defect that causes failure or malfunction and that you have reported no such problem.
I don't know why you take issue with TW either since it's a third party project that just happened to be done by the Friedens. Why ethernet too, you got a perfectly fine PCI NIC.
How do you know that all effort is focussed on Cyrus now?
There is a serious defect. RAM modules are glued in such a way it cannot be expanded (not right)
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He has no chance because it would be prohibitively expensive for him to go to court in the UK, or anywhere else in the EU.
Not as expensive as X1000 and likely to win. :destroy:
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I think that too (that they are more concentrating on Cyrrus than on update for the existing users) because they can there sell more (or propably more easily) new licenses for Cyrrus based on Update 6 than finishing 4.2. first (with adding Gallium/SMP what propably is a lot more difficult to add than writing some drivers for a new hardware). I think I can remember Solie somewhere (I believe Q&A session) mentioning Update 7.
But even if... noone guaranteed SMP and Gallium, propably not even 4.2. update. Perhaps a X1000 owner can correct me there and say if it is mentioned somewhere in the contract. If not it is not in and Vox has no chance when he goes to court because of it.
So I say they have left all X1000 users behind. I am designing a class suit that all X1000 users can join.
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Not as expensive as X1000 and likely to win. :destroy:
Are you sure about that? ;)
I'm not talking about chances to win, but lawyer fees etc...
You would be best to simply sell your X1000 to recoup the costs.
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So I say they have left all X1000 users behind. I am designing a class suit that all X1000 users can join.
No X1000 owner will join you, that's the problem.
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So I say they have left all X1000 users behind. I am designing a class suit that all X1000 users can join.
You forgot the second part of my posting. Something that is not in a contract is not in. You can only sue them for things that were in contract but not delivered. You propably buyed it from Amigakit. After ordering and payment they should have sent you a contract (or similar) where all was in what you bought and paid. No mentioning of something means not in contract and not in contract means you cannot sue them for it.
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Are you sure about that? ;)
I'm not talking about chances to win, but lawyer fees etc...
You would be best to simply sell your X1000 to recoup the costs.
+1
Sell the X1000, pay back most of your debts and buy something based on MorphOS or AROS or one of the cheaper AmigaOS solutions.
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You forgot the second part of my posting. Something that is not in a contract is not in. You can only sue them for things that were in contract but not delivered. You propably buyed it from Amigakit. After ordering and payment they should have sent you a contract (or similar) where all was in what you bought and paid. No mentioning of something means not in contract and not in contract means you cannot sue them for it.
Thanks for another tip. They haven`t. Another breach.
Plus all in one sue vs Hyperion for blocking updates and support and censorship,
and AW.net will be included too ... So it might be a major battle.
Plus not fullfling user request to transfer linceses and accounts ...
Growing by the fools game.
In the end I might be handing over PPC Macs with MOS for free :-)
Again, whatever CONTRACT is, it cannot surpass overall EU/UK consumer rights.
If its lower then minimum, its illegal.
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they have not sent some sort of order confirmation after ordering? And there should be a receipt with everything in and some sort of terms and conditions. Nothing? That is how I know it here when buying something online.
And when you buy something by Fax or Telephone you normally get a order confirmation too and then a receipt where all is in what you bought (included in the delivery).
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Thanks for another tip. They haven`t. Another breach.
Plus all in one sue vs Hyperion for blocking updates and support and censorship,
and AW.net will be included too ... So it might be a major battle.
Plus not fullfling user request to transfer linceses and accounts ...
Growing by the fools game.
In the end I might be handing over PPC Macs with MOS for free :-)
Again, whatever CONTRACT is, it cannot surpass overall EU/UK consumer rights.
If its lower then minimum, its illegal.
So you will sue afterall? I'm asking because you said you wouldn't just a few days ago...
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True dat. I did knew everything but they were crazy n lazy ...
So, I am gonna go MorphOS now.
Caant stop it, seen?
Normally...I would encourage anyone to consider this...but...hmm...
Vox, not to appear to attack that tactics you have used, but are you sure you want to throw in with us?
We tend not to be that contentious.
Development is slow, but steady, and I'm not sure we even care about impressing the general Amiga community anymore.
Also, we have our own issues (wifi being one of them).
Also, as our developers are not significantly compensated, we tend not to abuse them.
In fact, I'd consider a few to be friends.
So, if you can avoid the current level of contention, jump in.
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@Vox
You would be much happier with Aros or Aeros. Hardware is more abundant and cheaper and the OS is free . . . :-)
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@Vox
You would be much happier with Aros or Aeros. Hardware is more abundant and cheaper and the OS is free . . . :-)
No he really should use Morphos it's much more refined.
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@Vox
You would be much happier with Aros or Aeros. Hardware is more abundant and cheaper and the OS is free . . . :-)
yeah, but VOX still lives in the 80s when Intel was "evil" so he only wants PPC Aros :crazy:
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No he really should use Morphos it's much more refined.
Please don't encourage him. ;)
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Please don't encourage him. ;)
MOS folks have been saying MOS is superior all these years. Vox deserves the very best!
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MOS folks have been saying MOS is superior all these years. Vox deserves the very best!
In did VOX, MorphOS is superior. It even has a eUEA jit because of superior MorphOS developers, when other OSs don't have it yet, or maybe ever.
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MOS folks have been saying MOS is superior all these years. Vox deserves the very best!
What have we done to deserve him? :lol:
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Also, as our developers are not significantly compensated, we tend not to abuse them.
Opps. My bad :hammer:
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@Vox
You would be much happier with Aros or Aeros. Hardware is more abundant and cheaper and the OS is free . . . :-)
I will use AEROS PPC as soon as avail
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So you will sue afterall? I'm asking because you said you wouldn't just a few days ago...
At the moment I have more serious life issues, but I do document every breach and prepare drafts for lawyars (lie-sellers) :bump::hammer:
So yes, I am for regaining material compensation for their non-work, for sure.
That is how I might repay loan and do the big fat MOS and AROS support.
In time. Just let them be evil to I, as they are.
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How do you know that all effort is focussed on Cyrus now?
Nobody has turned their back on A1-X1000 users, regardless of how often he repeats that claim.
There is a serious defect. RAM modules are glued in such a way it cannot be expanded (not right)
It's hot-glue, which is soft and easily removed. AmigaKit use it so that things don't shake loose during shipping. That way it doesn't break en-route to you, and it simply worked when it arrived. In no way does it prevent you from changing the RAM modules.
Hans
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So you're planing on suing A-Eon and Hyperion, and using that money to pay off your loan... and to buy MOS? Wow, calling them evil? How do you sleep at night? :pissed:
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Nobody has turned their back on A1-X1000 users, regardless of how often he repeats that claim.
It's hot-glue, which is soft and easily removed. AmigaKit use it so that things don't shake loose during shipping. That way it doesn't break en-route to you, and it simply worked when it arrived. In no way does it prevent you from changing the RAM modules.
Hans
OK tell me the OS 4.2 release date and why all development is put to X2000 Beta programme? When TW will be final? Onboard etherbet? CFE update?
Unknown means left in dark.
Its not soft glue my hardware servicer sais it cannot be removed without damaging the board.
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Its not soft glue my hardware servicer sais it cannot be removed without damaging the board.
What the heck is a "hardware servicer", and why were they poking at your X1000? #shakeshead
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OK tell me the OS 4.2 release date and why all development is put to X2000 Beta programme? When TW will be final? Onboard etherbet? CFE update?
You know that I can't provide release dates, but that's irrelevant. OS development continues, including for the A1-X1000.
I repeat, nobody has turned their back on A1-X1000 users.
Its not soft glue my hardware servicer sais it cannot be removed without damaging the board.
I find that incredibly hard to believe.
Hans
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Care to post a pic of the "glue" on the RAM modules?
Find it hard to believe the "hot glue" retention method that builders sometimes use for RAM module retention during shipping would cause a single lasting issue and there's no reason why the small blob of glue cannot be picked off with ones fingers extremely easy.
Seen it used many times and never seen it screw up a RAM module or RAM socket, or impede removal/replacement of a RAM module.
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@vox
Install this on your PC:
http://mirrors.lezard-visuel.com/icaros/aros-experimental.iso
Please join the AROS community forum too:
http://aros-exec.org/
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LMAO. VOX SUING??? Dude has to get a loan to buy a pair of socks and you think he's gonna sue? Please.
"In Britain" there is some sort of law about selling goods and them not functioning etc.. see what I wrote above for the reply.
If I was Hyperion and A-EON, I wouldnt return a penny.
Please dont join team blue.
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I kill you all with this song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0
Getting Rick rolled with Rebecca Black's Friday..
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I find it hard to believe someone would hot glue ram chips in a 3,000$ + computer... But I've seen stranger things in amiga land. Once I got an amiga 500 someone glued a second 68000 on top of the first, pin by pin. there were a bunch of cut wires coming off the piggybacked cpu. No idea why.
"If I was Hyperion and A-EON, I wouldnt return a penny. "
- And neither will they. They might set a precedent of them having to deliver what they promise...
You can be nasty to the guy but all he wants is what he paid for so long ago that they parties he bought it from have so far been unwilling, or unable to
provide. I don't think its too much to ask that you get the drivers for the 3,000$+ computer you bought from them with the promise of "drivers coming soon."
I don't understand how you can sell a 3000+ computer with missing drivers... THEN after people having faith enough in your project to still plop down 3,000$ then never delivering the drivers, or communicating when they will be delivered to paying customers.
1000X not as advertised, he should get his money back if he wants it. They never delivered on their post purchase promises.
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I find it hard to believe someone would hot glue ram chips in a 3,000$ + computer.
POIDH.
Yup. Lets see the proof of this "poorly built" hardware.
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LMAO. VOX SUING??? Dude has to get a loan to buy a pair of socks and you think he's gonna sue? Please.
"In Britain" there is some sort of law about selling goods and them not functioning etc.. see what I wrote above for the reply.
A computer needs drivers to work to its fullest capability,a computer without drivers is like a car without a transmission, the computer is incomplete and should not be sold until the problem has been rectified.
If the company does not support its x1000 customers then can its x2000 customers expect the same treatment?.
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A computer needs drivers to work to its fullest capability,a computer without drivers is like a car without a transmission, the computer is incomplete and should not be sold until the problem has been rectified.
Was this known prior to purchasing the X1000? And no..bad analogy. His system does run...just misses a few gears now and then.
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So you think it is perfectly reasonable to sell inadequately developed products?
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So you think it is perfectly reasonable to sell inadequately developed products?
Was this known prior to purchasing the X1000?
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Was this known prior to purchasing the X1000?
You are asking me if Vox knew you thought it was okay to sell inadequately developed products before he bought his x1000?
Since I have only just asked the question, I doubt if Vox knew the answer.
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The missing drivers issue is well known, and it is well known add on cards must be used to make up for it. It's also one of the reasons I never bought one, but the main reason was I simply don't buy pre-built PC's of any sort and A-EON still doesn't offer a bare mobo option, afaik.
A guy taking out a loan to buy something beyond his means and not doing the 3 minutes of investigation to learn the above facts doesn't necessarily make it a poor or misleading product. The thing showed up on his doorstep working 100%.
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" In January 2012 A-Eon announced that AmigaKit.com would start shipping AmigaOne X1000 to customers with AmigaOS4.1 Update 5 pre-installed. It would also be supplied with a license for AmigaOS4.2 which could be downloaded when it is released by Hyperion Entertainment. "
It is now january 2014. 2 years. For 2 years some people have been waiting for the release of these drivers. So when will the drivers be released?
When will smp or at least some functionality of the second core be working on amigaOs 4.x?
When will Amiga os4.2 be released for download by Amigaone x1000 owners?
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I'd have thought that anybody who's been paying attention of the OS4 scene over the past few years should know exactly what to expect when buying an X1000.
Not really sure what all the fuss is about?
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You are asking me if Vox knew you thought it was okay to sell inadequately developed products before he bought his x1000?
Since I have only just asked the question, I doubt if Vox knew the answer.
Did he or did he not know not all software/drivers were developed for it?
He *did*.
Looks like it's his fault. End of story.
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Well, if all the people here who think it is okay to buy inadequately developed products had paid for a Natami, even though the developer had the integrity not to offer it for sale before it was finished, we would have had a 68k amiga compatible years ago.
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Normally...I would encourage anyone to consider this...but...hmm...
Vox, not to appear to attack that tactics you have used, but are you sure you want to throw in with us?
We tend not to be that contentious.
Development is slow, but steady, and I'm not sure we even care about impressing the general Amiga community anymore.
Also, we have our own issues (wifi being one of them).
Also, as our developers are not significantly compensated, we tend not to abuse them.
In fact, I'd consider a few to be friends.
So, if you can avoid the current level of contention, jump in.
Just speaking personally, but as a former OS4 user who pretty much has used MorphOS exclusively (in AmigaNG terms) for over a year now, I'm very satisfied with the software and the community. My main reason for the switch was my ageing A1XE was starting to behave flaky, and I couldn't really justify spending 3 grand on an X1000 to replace it, I already used MorphOs too so decided just to switch to that full time.
I find the pace of development of the OS much quicker (4 major OS revisions in a year is incredible), the third party software is generally more up to date, complete and bug-free, the whole experience just feels so much more finished and polished. Of course there are still some things to be done, wifi support being the major one (but as I use a mac mini jacked in via ethernet it doesn't bother me so much). I also find the community on Morphzone to be very welcoming and the developers much more open and friendly (I've never had a MorphOS core dev wish me to burn in flames for example, the feeling I got as an Os4 user was that of contempt from the developers mostly).
Just my 2c, but as another former OS4 convert, I have found the whole MorphOS experience to be very good. I still have my A1XE and it gets hooked up every now and then, most recently with the DOPUS and OWB released for OS4, but when my A1 finally bites the bullet I won't buy any more OS4 hardware.
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A computer needs drivers to work to its fullest capability,a computer without drivers is like a car without a transmission, the computer is incomplete and should not be sold until the problem has been rectified.
If the company does not support its x1000 customers then can its x2000 customers expect the same treatment?.
Right...
Don't buy and A-eon system, because they don't need stupid customers.
Again, it was shipped with cards that replaced the functions that were not yet supported.
As to the X2000, sign me up (I'm not a whining moron).
Apparently selling an earlier board with a critically flawed Northbridge is OK, but a well designed, functional board is not because some on board devices didn't have OS4 drivers at release.
Man, I wish that we have all these 'problems' in the MorphOS community.
Anytime Trevor tires at his current pursuit, he can always make stuff for us (especially now that Hermans is no longer part of A-eon).
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Right...
Don't buy and A-eon system, because they don't need stupid customers.
Who else will buy their products?
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@ haywire. When the A1000 was released in 1985 it came shipped with a buggy WB1.0. Hang on... That sounds similar to the x1000 (My point here is that neither was fully functional when released).
@danwood. Have you thought about putting your Morphos system in your Commodore gaming case? That would be classy :)
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Well, if all the people here who think it is okay to buy inadequately developed products had paid for a Natami, even though the developer had the integrity not to offer it for sale before it was finished, we would have had a 68k amiga compatible years ago.
Well, if all the people here who think it is okay to not do research before spending $3000 on a motherboard that did not have all drivers/software implemented, we would all be complaining like vox is.
See what I did there?
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Just speaking personally, but as a former OS4 user who pretty much has used MorphOS exclusively (in AmigaNG terms) for over a year now, I'm very satisfied with the software and the community. My main reason for the switch was my ageing A1XE was starting to behave flaky, and I couldn't really justify spending 3 grand on an X1000 to replace it, I already used MorphOs too so decided just to switch to that full time.
Welcome. The waters are nice and cool here...enjoy your stay! :-)
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@ haywire. When the A1000 was released in 1985 it came shipped with a buggy WB1.0. Hang on... That sounds similar to the x1000 (My point here is that neither was fully functional when released).
Oooh. Nice. That is correct, sir!
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Well, if all the people here who think it is okay to not do research before spending $3000 on a motherboard that did not have all drivers/software implemented, we would all be complaining like vox is.
See what I did there?
Yes, and I agree wholeheartedly, consumers have a right to expect that their purchase will perform as expected, and not to be ripped off by sharks who only care about how much money they can screw out of anyone who gets caught out by misleading advertising campaigns.
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You know that I can't provide release dates, but that's irrelevant. OS development continues, including for the A1-X1000.
I repeat, nobody has turned their back on A1-X1000 users.
I find that incredibly hard to believe.
Hans
Well,AmigaOS booted 2010, and in 2014 drivers are NOT nearly complete.That pace MorphOS will be 4 before the development is done.
To me, that is ABNORMAL whatever you say,
ANd focus is now on X2000 OS 4.1.6 which will make further delays.
Company with no set clear goals is no company at all.
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Right...
Don't buy and A-eon system, because they don't need stupid customers.
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Surely, don`t buy it.
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Well, if all the people here who think it is okay to not do research before spending $3000 on a motherboard that did not have all drivers/software implemented, we would all be complaining like vox is.
See what I did there?
You should all complain no matter what.
And I did research, but it was promised to have faster pace of development. MORMONS! :smack:
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Don't you ever stop?
Please skidaddle! your whining is becoming very tiresome.
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There are missing drivers/features in the other NG OS's as well, including MOS in regards to wifi on some hardware.
I'd recommend you do your homework before you invest in that platform so you aren't suffering similar issues. Best of luck.
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There are missing drivers/features in the other NG OS's as well, including MOS in regards to wifi on some hardware.
I'd recommend you do your homework before you invest in that platform so you aren't suffering similar issues. Best of luck.
Thanks for warning him.
I'd hate to see someone expect Airport cards to ever be supported (we DO have some wifi support).
And "sharks"?
Below serious comment and utterly asinine.
Honestly, I would never market anything to the Amiga market (what there is of it), the people there are prone to baseless complaint.
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Thanks for warning him.
I'd hate to see someone expect Airport cards to ever be supported (we DO have some wifi support).
And "sharks"?
Below serious comment and utterly asinine.
Honestly, I would never market anything to the Amiga market (what there is of it), the people there are prone to baseless complaint.
As a human I would keep my word, as I do. :mickeymouse:
Now far more serious question:
SAM460ex manual sais just some X1550 cards are supported in PCI-E. Which ones?
Also, for da daddy, which kind of card do I need to fit X500, it has to be LOW PROFILE, right?
Could this two work in Linux, MorphOS maybe even AmigaOS 4 if needed?
Would they work on SAM460ex and in X500?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ATI-RADEON-X1550-256MB-LP-SFF-DUAL-DISPLAY-DVI-VGA-WINDOWS7-XP-PCI-E-VIDEO-CARD-/370971956314?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item565fa6d45a
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ATI-Radeon-X1300-128MB-PCI-Express-PCIe-DVI-TV-Out-Low-Profile-JW592-TVCS-1252-/360588152827?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item53f4ba8ffb
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Question for admins - why is poll closed??????
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There are missing drivers/features in the other NG OS's as well, including MOS in regards to wifi on some hardware.
I'd recommend you do your homework before you invest in that platform so you aren't suffering similar issues. Best of luck.
Weeelllll...I wouldnt necessarily "worry" about anyone jumping into MorphOS. Its far more complete and up-to-date than OS4 is. LOL at the grab at "wifi" support. Made me laugh.
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Weeelllll...I wouldnt necessarily "worry" about anyone jumping into MorphOS. Its far more complete and up-to-date than OS4 is. LOL at the grab at "wifi" support. Made me laugh.
Yes I might enjoy it, looking at all MOS software out there
http://mos.aminet.net/
Question for admins - why is poll closed??????
Big raspect from old veteran
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op6-ov8SruM
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I find it hard to believe someone would hot glue ram chips in a 3,000$ + computer...
This used to be common practice in the 90's and early 2000's to avoid the module from becoming unseated in transit.
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Question for admins - why is poll closed??????
Dunno. But from the looks of it, it sounds like you're just trying to start a flame war.
At any rate, dont you think you've made your point, whatever that may be?
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@Vox
If you are serious, a Radeon X1300 would be a good card to consider for use in the SAM460.
It is supported by OS4 and will likely be one of the first cards supported for use in the SAM460 under MorphOS.
And on closing your poll, first it was pointless, and second it offered no 'pancakes' option.
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Dunno. But from the looks of it, it sounds like you're just trying to start a flame war.
At any rate, dont you think you've made your point, whatever that may be?
Why not having a poll? Who will be hurt?
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@Vox
If you are serious, a Radeon X1300 would be a good card to consider for use in the SAM460.
It is supported by OS4 and will likely be one of the first cards supported for use in the SAM460 under MorphOS.
And on closing your poll, first it was pointless, and second it offered no 'pancakes' option.
I am a serious man no matter how much you laugh.
Good buying X1300 low profile so it can come to X500 case.
Its not pointless, its user opinion - all Amiga users on OS4 camp. I believe we never had that,
and threads presented clearly show how good and helpful they are, when someone is migrating FROM OS4.
That is a real test.
Its silly as it is left now, 4x50%
Last option has bannanas. :banana:
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Honestly, this is a pointless waste of time thread. I would lock it but my browser cannot remember my login credentials on AO after I reply to threads. :-/ Maybe another moderator can lock this pity party.
EDIT: Nevermind.. it worked :-)