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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga community support ideas => Topic started by: Darrin on May 05, 2012, 07:01:08 PM
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http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=35684&forum=33&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0#664476
Well, sly threats are easier than providing support.
The funny thing is, they don't even own the righst to the Amiga name, they just license it.
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OK so they don`t ship with Amiga name (its X500 plus)
and stickers can be sold separately. So C=USA don`t like Amiga stickers,
what about laser engravement?
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Good question. The Daddy was never intending to sell these with Amiga labels on them as the end user can do that.
X500Plus has nothing to do with teh Amiga and you can equally say that the design was inspired by the TRS-80, Dragon 32, BBC Model B, Sinclair QL, Atari ST or any other number of machines.
This is just an example of C-USA's support for the "Amiga" community of which they are no part.
Remember, The Daddy was the person who spotted that the factory photographs were fake. This is "payback".
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poor Leo, he used to be part of this community and now he's acting like the big bad CEO Mr. Barry:lol:
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Harkonnenization?
Next Dummy might become Feyd-Rautha
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Of course there is no Amiga sticker coming with the case.
It'll be completely blank, people can use what they like and print it themselves.
Those are made of paper (used an old inkjet and 80g paper)...
Do they really think I was going to include Amiga stickers?
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How incredibly wimpy are we when this is considered "intimidation?"
An image has been presented to me of this unit featuring AMIGA branding.
This is a friendly request to remove that from your advertising.
OMG, a "friendly request??"
The b@stard!! ;-)
desiv
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I don't care, just give us the case, screw the licensing and stupid politics, there is no Aminga Inc. that supports the community or legacy so why fret? This is not a threat to us, more like a boon in the form of a cool case!!!
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Of course there is no Amiga sticker coming with the case.
It'll be completely blank, people can use what they like and print it themselves.
Those are made of paper (used an old inkjet and 80g paper)...
Do they really think I was going to include Amiga stickers?
Well there are 0.50 euros avail from Vesalia
http://www.vesalia.de/e_merchandise[3583].htm#kleinteile
1.90 for Angry Boingball
http://www.vesalia.de/e_angryboingball.htm
They could go nice with AmigaOne mouse
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=37_96
Niote that you will offer it, but you may advise links
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Boy, I guess when Amiga branding is the one thing differentiating your product from a commodity PC build costing half as much, you get kinda territorial about it! Who'da thunk?
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Someone should mention to them that although they do have an exclusive worldwide license for the Amiga trademark for their line of AIO (All-In-One) keyboard computers, an empty case is not a computer.
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OMG, a "friendly request??"
The b@stard!! ;-)
A "friendly request" is a legal maneuver. This is reeling the foot back. The next step is a swift attorney to the balls.
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Unbelievable... Had they just dug into the matter more, they would have realized TheDaddy was not supplying anything of the sort, or using trademarks he has not licensed. Instead they shoot their mouths off and make themselves look utterly foolish.
The irony of the situation is this is from a company that for quite some time had images of "concept" machines stolen off other sites with all credit removed on their site.
Abhorrent and entirely unprofessional. A "friendly request" should have come in the form of a PM to TheDaddy, not via some sort of fist shaking on a public forums.
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Removed the tick and renamed the Amiga to Amica (Italian for female friend)...
I hope it's ok, all this Photoshopping is tiring.
@everyone
Thanks
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I would've just told them to piss off, if you're not actually selling the thing with Amiga branding...
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A "friendly request" is a legal maneuver.
Not if you're not a lawyer.. ;-) (Or Tony Soprano... I think people watch too much T.V.)
It could just be...
wait for it..
A friendly request..
This is reeling the foot back. The next step is a swift attorney to the balls.
That all depends on whether or not something is done about the friendly request and whether or not there actually is anything wrong...
As far as I know, the person stating that wasn't the president of the company. He wasn't an attorney for the company.
Sounds like a friendly request to me...
I grew up around lawyers; that wasn't even slightly intimidating.. ;-)
desiv
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I would've just told them to piss off, if you're not actually selling the thing with Amiga branding...
No of course not.
It's for illustration purposes only, to give people an idea of what they can put on it if they want to, I don't sell Amiga branded stuff but if they don't want to see it then fine, I'll leave ACube, AROS, Linux, OS4 on and take them off if it offends them too :)
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@desiv
It's been removed following the friendly request. ;)
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@desiv
It's been removed following the friendly request. ;)
:D
As a related side, that's a beautiful case you've made there..
I've been pretty into my original Amigas, but that case, and if they come out with Natami before too long.... Hmmm..
And I can print my own stickers.. ;-)
desiv
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As far as I know, the person stating that wasn't the president of the company. He wasn't an attorney for the company.
Sounds like a friendly request to me...
I grew up around lawyers; that wasn't even slightly intimidating.. ;-)
He's one of two known personnel for CUSA (the other being Barry himself) and the general PR guy for the company; moreover, his threat was groundless posturing, as any basic research into the project would have shown (let alone actual knowledge of TheDaddy's project from - get this - being involved in the community. I haven't even been following this project and I knew he wasn't selling it Amiga-branded, geez,) and he wasn't the person to be making it in the first place, as CUSA does not own or enforce the Amiga trademarks, they merely license them.
And as has been pointed out several times in both threads, a real friendly request would have been a private note to TheDaddy, not territorial pissing on a public forum. It might not have been a formal legal threat, but it was douchey and needlessly aggressive.
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his threat.
What threat???
It was not, in any way, a threat....
It was a comment..
It was handled..
What's the big deal?
Some people love drama.. :uzi:
But - and I am only saying that because I care - there's a lot of decaffeinated brands on the market that are just as tasty as the real thing.
desiv
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What threat???
It was not, in any way, a threat....
A public statement of perceived trademark infringement on the Internet is a takedown threat. That's not difficult to understand, it's been SOP for over-aggressive and under-qualified takedown hounds for years now. If it were not intended as a threat, it would have been sent privately, as is appropriate for this kind of communication. Instead, Leo resorted to stomping and making noise publically in an attempt to make an example of a community hobbyist without having to go so far as to take action, because he doesn't have the grounds to do so. That's why I'm actually a bit disappointed in TheDaddy for complying, because this is exactly what Leo intended to happen.
But - and I am only saying that because I care - there's a lot of decaffeinated brands on the market that are just as tasty as the real thing.
Huh?
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Beautiful work TheDaddy, my sincere congratulations!
I hope some day it can be used with Natami or FPGA Arcade.
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Huh?
It's a movie quote..
:lol:
Yes, I'm stuck in the 80s...
desiv
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Well, nothing wrong with that, I just don't get how it relates to the topic...
Anyway, I'm not much for keyboard cases generally, but hot damn is that a sleek design.
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@desiv
It's been removed following the friendly request. ;)
I like to handle things with humor, so I would edit your video and put BIG BLACK CENSORED on top of the Amiga logo!
:D
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@TheDaddy
Thanks for sharing your photos and video. I think it is a beautiful case.
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redfox
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Quite right too. If they let someone put any Amiga branding on a replica case, we could end up with some two-bit company slapping it on overpriced generic PCs.
Oh wait...
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@Darrin
Maybe you should edit the topic name before they whine about the word A****. ;)
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redfox
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I think what we need is for OSNews to do a feature on the project and mention this incident :D
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As far as I know, the person stating that wasn't the president of the company. He wasn't an attorney for the company.
Was he involved in the company in any way? I don't doubt an attorney wouldn't have behaved in such a manner -- posting in a forum isn't the M.O. of any whom I know. There would have at least been a letter on company letter head delivered certified. But people who don't know any better are generally much more cavalier.
I grew up around lawyers; that wasn't even slightly intimidating.. ;-)
Your credentials are impeccable. I have plenty of contact with attorneys, myself, including the receiving end of a few legal threats. Attorneys are much more careful than the post in question, so no argument there. But I have no doubt an over-zealous company representative will happily sick the dogs even if unwarranted.
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A public statement of perceived trademark infringement on the Internet is a takedown threat.
Trouble is: In thre US you have to go after everyone who uses your trademark, or courts can invalidate it entirely. That is why so many lawsuits on trademarks are happening, even if the offense is rather minor.
I think it is a benevolent comment. You shouldn't advertize with a brand you don't own. I would even refrain from calling it X500, because you get on Hyperion/Acube/X1000 turf.
That being said: The case looks great and deserves a great name! I'd call it the Guru Case(TM) and get my own sticker!
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Putting the Amiga trademark in promotional material, for what is intended as a product if there is enough interest, is still an issue.
I personally don't care what the Daddy does.
The images were brought to my attention by a couple of people.
He can choose to ignore my friendly requests or not.
I am just warning him that he should be careful with the trademarks, that's all.
We're a small company trying to do the best we can with the IP we have, not a big bad corporation.
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Putting the Amiga trademark in promotional material, for what is intended as a product if there is enough interest, is still an issue.
I personally don't care what the Daddy does.
The images were brought to my attention by a couple of people.
He can choose to ignore my friendly requests or not.
I am just warning him that he should be careful with the trademarks, that's all.
We're a small company trying to do the best we can with the IP we have, not a big bad corporation.
You dont have the corresponding IP, you just have the license, which is not the same!!!!!!!!!!
Go f**k elsewhere!
I hope The Daddy sells similarly specced generic pc´s with his beautiful case, just to let your sh***y business drown.
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Putting the Amiga trademark in promotional material, for what is intended as a product if there is enough interest, is still an issue.
I personally don't care what the Daddy does.
The images were brought to my attention by a couple of people.
He can choose to ignore my friendly requests or not.
I am just warning him that he should be careful with the trademarks, that's all.
We're a small company trying to do the best we can with the IP we have, not a big bad corporation.
That sounds completely different to what you put here (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=35684&forum=33&start=40&viewmode=flat&order=0#664545).
If it had been anyone else but one of our most vocal critics I would have been more discreet.
But he can't feign ignorance after everything he has written.
I can't help but see this as a provocation. That much is obvious.
This is a product he intends to sell or at least get public interest in to sell.
This is not slapping an Amiga sticker on your oven in your kitchen.
I am also formally requesting on behalf of Commodore USA, that you remove the Amiga branding from the video too.
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Someone should make the fantasy Amiga and wait for CUSA to put up a fuss. Imagine the irony...
:lol:
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So?
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That would be funny to watch.
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Thanks for the kind words guys, appreciated...
The video has been removed, sorry about that.
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@BigBenTheAussie
quote: If it had been anyone else but one of our most vocal critics I would have been more discreet.
Oh I see now...I get it. ;)
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I just hope this doesnt discourage you from the project.
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But admittedly you can understand why they are so worried. If you look at how much interest these kit bash cases have generated compared to CUSA's products i would be worried too. Congrats to Thedaddy! You have already put them out of business!
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Trouble is: In thre US you have to go after everyone who uses your trademark, or courts can invalidate it entirely. That is why so many lawsuits on trademarks are happening, even if the offense is rather minor.
Trouble is, it's not their trademark. It's Amiga, Inc.'s. As Leo reveals in the post CritAnime quoted, this is about pissing on someone who's made negative assessments of CUSA's products in the past, not about defending anything they actually own.
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Thanks, it's ok I am not bitter.
Weird really, I thought they were a massive company?! Now they are a small company?
Anyway do you like my photoshop jobs on the photos...getting better at it :)
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Oh the irony. The mighty CUSA with their $30 Million advertising budget and Commodore Os Vision brought down by a man in his shed! Now who said the backyard inventor was dead.
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Of course there is no Amiga sticker coming with the case.
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Do they really think I was going to include Amiga stickers?
No, but strictly speaking you are using a registered trademark to advertise a commercial product. You can't do that unless you have a license for said trademark.
(Don't get me wrong, I'm just explaining what Barry is trying to say - he's not really good at all this computer business stuff, so I'm helping out whenever I can)
Edit: Ah, it wasn't Barry but Leo - missed that, sorry.
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No, but strictly speaking you are using a registered trademark to advertise a commercial product. You can't do that unless you have a license for said trademark.
(Don't get me wrong, I'm just explaining what Barry is trying to say - he's not really good at all this computer business stuff, so I'm helping out whenever I can)
I see that although it's not a commercial product just yet (let's say a proof of concept) and the stickers are for illustration purposes only with notes regarding the ownership of those names, I have complied with his "gentle request" if Hyperion or ACube ask me to remove theirs I'll do that too if not they probably enjoy and are grateful for the free exposure ;)
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And I can assure you that the Aros community feels honoured too and appreciates your efforts...
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@TheDaddy
I notice Hyperion have recently had some officially licensed Boing Ball stickers made to help promote OS4, maybe they can be persuaded to make some more variations , e.g: "Powered by AmigaOS" which could be sold separately and used legally alongside your own X500 branding.
In my opinion the AmigaOS trademarks with Boing ball are as recognizable and even more relevant to the Next-gen "Amiga" scene in 2012 than Amiga branding alone.
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I'd be all over a case like that. It is sexy as hell
Also **** the leeches.
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To answer Franko from the other thread, this is just a warning that he is committing an obvious IP violation.
Most likely as a deliberate provocation, given his history of attacks.
I have no desire to see anyone, even one of our harshest of critics, suffer at the end of the law.
You may not respect our company, but trademark law is something else.
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To answer Franko from the other thread, this is just a warning that he is committing an obvious IP violation.
Most likely as a deliberate provocation, given his history of attacks.
I have no desire to see anyone, even one of our harshest of critics, suffer at the end of the law.
You may not respect our company, but trademark law is something else.
Please post on an apropiate PC forum... and fu*k off
Again, you do not own an IP, you just have a license.
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This all means your case is simply more beautiful than those mac mini clones...
Try to see if they want to buy your project...
And as someone said: "I never saw a wolf barking at a chihuhua, usually it happens the opposite."
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To answer Franko from the other thread, this is just a warning that he is committing an obvious IP violation.
Most likely as a deliberate provocation, given his history of attacks.
I have no desire to see anyone, even one of our harshest of critics, suffer at the end of the law.
"Nice site you've got there. Be a shame if something happened to it."
- BigBenAussie
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Sounds like a friendly request to me...
I grew up around lawyers; that wasn't even slightly intimidating.. ;-)
desiv
No, a friendly request is done in private via PM or email and involves words like "please", "thank you" and "would you mind".
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To answer Franko from the other thread, this is just a warning that he is committing an obvious IP violation.
Most likely as a deliberate provocation, given his history of attacks.
I have no desire to see anyone, even one of our harshest of critics, suffer at the end of the law.
You may not respect our company, but trademark law is something else.
Maybe you should answer him over on AW.net where he made those comments, as I recall Franko is no longer a member here.
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I see that although it's not a commercial product just yet (let's say a proof of concept) and the stickers are for illustration purposes only with notes regarding the ownership of those names, I have complied with his "gentle request" if Hyperion or ACube ask me to remove theirs I'll do that too if not they probably enjoy and are grateful for the free exposure ;)
I would have waited for a response from C= USA attorney. She looks pretty hot...
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@Darrin
Maybe you should edit the topic name before they whine about the word A****. ;)
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redfox
LOL. I'll wait to hear from their lawyers first. :D
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Does the CUSA license apply to photoshopped images? I was planning on photoshopping an amiga logo on my wang, and I don't want a lawyer to try and confiscate it.
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To answer Franko from the other thread, this is just a warning that he is committing an obvious IP violation.
Most likely as a deliberate provocation, given his history of attacks.
I have no desire to see anyone, even one of our harshest of critics, suffer at the end of the law.
You may not respect our company, but trademark law is something else.
Which is fair enough but if this was the case then you should have contacted theDaddy via PM and not blurted it out publicly. Or even sent him and email with all this in it. To me, from what you have written, it seems like you have targetted theDaddy publicly in a case of sour grapes.
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@Daddy
Thanks for removing the offending material.
Good luck with your case project.
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The consistency of your unprofessional behavior is staggering, Leo. Every given moment your defense for past unprofessional behavior is "well , we admit making mistakes", but the mistakes just keep on coming, unprofessional as ever.
First you air this on that other site, then come here huffing and puffing about "vocal critics" and other tripe, effectively doing nothing more than harassing TheDaddy over here, IMHO.
Would a PM not have served the purpose better? Had you taken 5 minutes to look at TheDaddy's proposed product, you would have seen he's not selling these as an Amiga branded item and said decals were not included in the package.
I've got an Amiga sticker on my SAM 440 - I better check with you guys before I throw it on ebay, I guess, eh? Nah, actually I'd sell it as a "Amiga SAM 440ep" and tell you to get stuffed if you barked at me.
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@Daddy
Thanks for removing the offending material.
Good luck with your case project.
good luck with your business (selling re-branded dealextreme junk)
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Quick, someone open a Cafepress store selling stickers with Amiga logos. Might be worth a laugh getting the current people trying to flog the brand to sue you.
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@Daddy
Thanks for removing the offending material.
Good luck with your case project.
translated:
Bravely bold Sir Robin
Rode forth from Camelot.
He was not afraid to die,
Oh brave Sir Robin.
He was not at all afraid
To be killed in nasty ways.
Brave, brave, brave, brave Sir Robin.
He was not in the least bit scared
To be mashed into a pulp.
Or to have his eyes gouged out,
And his elbows broken.
To have his kneecaps split
And his body burned away,
And his limbs all hacked and mangled
Brave Sir Robin.
His head smashed in
And his heart cut out
And his liver removed
And his bowls unplugged
And his nostrils raped
And his bottom burnt off
And his pen-- ("That's... that's enough music for now lads, there's dirty work afoot")
Brave Sir Robin ran away. ("No!")
Bravely ran away away. ("I didn't!")
When danger reared it's ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled. ("no!")
Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about ("I didn't!")
And gallantly he chickened out.
Bravely taking ("I never did!") to his feet,
He beat a very brave retreat.("all lies!")
Bravest of the braaaave, Sir Robin!("I never!")
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I must thank CUSA for bringing this fantastic case to my attention. I wasn't actually aware of it's existence until I saw this thread. I'll have to get one when the Natami is released (hopefully they're still available by then.)
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Slightly off topic. I think it is a mistake to only promote this case for the Amiga community. I think there are many more potential customers in other retro markets such as Atari and others. You could easily double sales by targeting the retro computing industry in general instead of just this one. Also no dickheads to worry about. Just my 2 cents...
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Slightly off topic. I think it is a mistake to only promote this case for the Amiga community. I think there are many more potential customers in other retro markets such as Atari and others. You could easily double sales by targeting the retro computing industry in general instead of just this one. Also no dickheads to worry about. You said you needed a minimum of 50 orders to go ahead? Have you tried the other hobby platforms? Just my 2 cents...
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Slightly off topic. I think it is a mistake to only promote this case for the Amiga community. I think there are many more potential customers in other retro markets such as Atari and others. You could easily double sales by targeting the retro computing industry in general instead of just this one. Also no dickheads to worry about. You said you needed a minimum of 50 orders to go ahead? Have you tried the other hobby platforms? Just my 2 cents...
Good point.
The case has been designed to take certain form-factors and a lot of retro enthusiasts would be interested in this.
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No, a friendly request is done in private via PM or email and involves words like "please", "thank you" and "would you mind".
You have quiet friends.. ;-)
I still don't see the big deal with the initial request, even in public.
He didn't say "Hey, you're a thief! Take that down or I'll fix you!!!"
"Please, thank you, and would you mind" would have been polite and friendly.
That being said, the follow up, when he said he did that in that manner because of someone being a "vocal critic"... That's the type of statement that goes to intent, and takes the "leeway" out of the original comment.
I still think it could have been a friendly comment.
But I agree now, that it probably wasn't.
I still wouldn't call it intimidating or a threat.
But I would call it non-professional...
desiv
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You have quiet friends.. ;-)
LOL. Actually most of them are Scottish and far from it. :D
I still don't see the big deal with the initial request, even in public.
He didn't say "Hey, you're a thief! Take that down or I'll fix you!!!"
"Please, thank you, and would you mind" would have been polite and friendly.
That being said, the follow up, when he said he did that in that manner because of someone being a "vocal critic"... That's the type of statement that goes to intent, and takes the "leeway" out of the original comment.
I still think it could have been a friendly comment.
But I agree now, that it probably wasn't.
I still wouldn't call it intimidating or a threat.
But I would call it non-professional...
desiv
As you say, his "follow-up" shows an insight to the true intentions.
Still, on the plus side The Daddy probably doubled his orders. :D
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Lorriano,
You could do well in an ebay store with this, some youtube videos, and posting in all the retro forums. I expect C= USA to purchase one, send it to china for costing and get it copied and get it made for a song and sell it for $$$
I saw your posts and totally got that you were not sellin with the logos included or that the case is bare.
Good luck I'd buy one.
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This thread has almost convinced me to buy on and I on't even like keyboard cases!
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Is there even a picture of the case anywhere in this link? I can't find one.. (I even went to the other forum and can't find it there either..)
???
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Is there even a picture of the case anywhere in this link? I can't find one.. (I even went to the other forum and can't find it there either..)
???
Here's some pics I managed to snag. None of them say "Amiga" (There is AmigaOS which is Hyperion's and "Amica"):
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/darrin01311/top.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/darrin01311/45degree.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/darrin01311/open.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/darrin01311/sideports.jpg)
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direct link to image http://www.loriano.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/1.htm
website http://www.loriano.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
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I'm thinking it would be nice for my FPGA arcade.
I've had The Daddy test the keyboard using a USB-PS/2 adapter and it works, so I should be able to route the cable out of the back of the PC case and plug it into the PS/2 socket.
Plenty of space for the Daughter Board too.
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So cool man, a nice simple sheet metal design. Sheet metal means no tooling costs. I wonder how much it would cost to make a few hundred..
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I'm assuming that this:
http://img.alibaba.com/img/pb/478/179/381/381179478_436.JPG
will be perfect for extending the SD card access to another point on the case? Should work for the Minimig too.
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I'm not big on all in one cases, never have been, so I'm likely not a part of this market, but need to say one thing.
If there's ever been a reason for Kickstarter to exist, it's for projects like this.
http://www.kickstarter.com/
Get 'er done.
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That case is ugly as hell but I can appreciate the craftsmanship that went into it. At least it's in the spirit of what Commodore produced. You have to admit, with the exception of a few products, most of what Commodore made was not pleasing to the eye.
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You have to admit, with the exception of a few products, most of what Commodore made was not pleasing to the eye.
No I don't...
With the exception of the 2000 (which was functional), C16, and the Plus 4, I think I liked most Commodore cases.
To each his own..
;-)
Daddy's new case is great..
The keyboard is a bit "Mac" for me tho... Not my favorite...
desiv
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Like I always said about Amiga fans - there was very few who had any "middle ground" when it came to the legacy Amiga systems regarding footprint of the various systems.
I was a rabid fan of the big box systems, I hated the wedge cases. Some guys were completely opposite. I found the 3000 T and 4000 T to be drop dead gorgeous back then, but in these modern times no one in their right mind would want a PC case that big.
Just another reason to consider a big box replica "in homage" case in the future, I guess.
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The keyboard is a bit "Mac" for me tho... Not my favorite...
desiv
They keyboard is like the one I have on my new HP Pavilion dv7. It took me a few weeks to get used to it. :)
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That case is ugly as hell but I can appreciate the craftsmanship that went into it. At least it's in the spirit of what Commodore produced. You have to admit, with the exception of a few products, most of what Commodore made was not pleasing to the eye.
They say: "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder (http://boingboing.net/2011/01/22/coops-beholder.html)" :laughing:
Ugly commodore cases existed (PC 10, CD32, A600 IMO). I loved the design of the A1000 and C116 when they were new. The X500 case looks a bit like it is coming from a Sci-Fi movie like Buck Rodgers. It has a modern keyboard and will attract looks. Unfortunately the current desigs of monitors have a tendency to be black or silver, which - despite of Apples consistency to combine with white - simply isn`t pleasing my eye. But then again - see the Link above.
I`d propose sombebody design a cool monitor decoration system for those of us, who need it. We can`t all be black, can we?
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And I can assure you that the Aros community feels honoured too and appreciates your efforts...
Thanks. :)
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@TheDaddy
I notice Hyperion have recently had some officially licensed Boing Ball stickers made to help promote OS4, maybe they can be persuaded to make some more variations , e.g: "Powered by AmigaOS" which could be sold separately and used legally alongside your own X500 branding.
In my opinion the AmigaOS trademarks with Boing ball are as recognizable and even more relevant to the Next-gen "Amiga" scene in 2012 than Amiga branding alone.
Thanks for the heads up. I just want to underline the fact that there are a few other photos of the X500 PLUS WITHOUT anything on, you can see them in the video, well you could until a few hours ago, that is how the case will come, without any branding, but I think the majority are clever enough to assume that.
Those are just bits of paper I printed out to give ideas on how to customise it. If you look carefully they are not stuck on. :D
Shame really as my website has now been watched, since the photos went up, a few thousands times, that is great marketing potential, many of these hits are surely not just from us on amiga.org and AW.net but retro passionate people, missed opportunity I'd say but at least exposure for AROS, OS4, ACube etc...
I will leave it to the user to sort out the branding, I just create these cases on a shoestring budget.
Got to edit the video now...what a bore...I'll post the new link when done. Cheers.
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I found the 3000 T and 4000 T to be drop dead gorgeous back then, but in these modern times no one in their right mind would want a PC case that big.
Actually, I much prefer reasonably-sized cases to trendy new micro-PCs; they're a lot less of a pain in the ass to work in, and there's enough room to set a CRT monitor and a pair of speakers on top if it's a desktop. The 3000 was a little cramped, but the 4000 looks like a beauty.
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I must thank CUSA for bringing this fantastic case to my attention. I wasn't actually aware of it's existence until I saw this thread. I'll have to get one when the Natami is released (hopefully they're still available by then.)
Cool, nice to see you're interested.
I want to underline this; the X500 PLUS is NOT an Amiga replica case, I must stress this. The C64x isn't either. A replica is a perfect reproduction without nothing added to it, with absolute no changes.
I like to see the X500 PLUS as the ultimate retro case based on the fact that you can put almost ANY mini-itx board and almost ANY flex-atx (see SAM flex or SAM460, that is their factor).
What does this mean? If you are a retro fan, you can build your own modern equivalent. Want a powerful Windows/Linux based machine but at the same time run a few emulators on a custom retro case, the X500 PLUS is that case.
The prototype runs happily a Gigabyte board with 2.5GHz i3 cpu, 8GB DDR3 RAM and more importantly you can expand the graphics card (running an ATI Radeon HD 6570 2GB inside).
I was playing MAss Effect 3 on it and it felt good, you are not stuck with ****ty onboard graphics and puny little Atom processors.
And then there is the Amiga side...x86 mini-itx board with AROS installed...awesome! :)
Or a SAM with OS4, FPGAArcade, Natami, there are so many possibilities.
Anyway I need to find the time to edit the video now... ;)
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Slightly off topic. I think it is a mistake to only promote this case for the Amiga community. I think there are many more potential customers in other retro markets such as Atari and others. You could easily double sales by targeting the retro computing industry in general instead of just this one. Also no dickheads to worry about. You said you needed a minimum of 50 orders to go ahead? Have you tried the other hobby platforms? Just my 2 cents...
You are right...if someone wants to lend a hand posting it somewhere else I'd be grateful, target 50 cases, all I want is recoup some of the money spent, as I know perfectly well that I wont' get back the seven years spent on it let alone making a profit, I want people to have one and enjoy it. It's handmade and I'll be assembling them one by one...feck! :D
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Oh..before I log out...
The case isn't finished just yet, need to sort out a few things;
I want to have the aluminium sprayed in black, I think it'll look ubercool with the black version of the case.
Need to adjust the LEDs (those freaking LEDs are custom made, it took me ages to cut them the right way) I mean shrten them a bit, I have been asked to see if I can move them to the right...I remember having problems with that on the SAM board which has the PSU connector just there.... :)
and need to fix the switch, at the moment the switch is positioned under the keyboard (it's on the right hand side) you can (could) see it in the video when I switch the machine on. I thought a hidden switch would look cool.
and nothing else really, the DVD-RW bracket is done and just adding extra vents. I was hitting 50degrees whilst playing Mass Effect 3, can do better than that.
I'll include a silent Fractal or Scythe 40mm fan.
This is what you'll get:
Assembled case (all you have to do is put your motherboard, SSD (better than HDD) and graphics card if you are not using onboard chip).
Cable ties so you can route and organise your cables inside (if you know how to build pcs then it's apiece of cake)
Rubber feet
DVD-RW drive
3.5" card (media) reader
Keyboard (sorry it's the U.K. version, can't find them with other layouts but adhesives are available to change the letters on the net).
DVD-RW bracket
Custom made LED window with two 3mm LED (orange and blue)
Power switch.
I have designed thinking that people might want to customise it and take it to the "next level" so parts can be replaced easily (see LEDs, switch etc...).
Forgot....thanks for your words ;)
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To answer Franko from the other thread, this is just a warning that he is committing an obvious IP violation.
Most likely as a deliberate provocation, given his history of attacks.
I have no desire to see anyone, even one of our harshest of critics, suffer at the end of the law.
You may not respect our company, but trademark law is something else.
OK, copyrights yes. But product is NOT named Amiga and its just a sticker (several stickers presented). Dont get it too paranoid, Daddy complied.
Its good you are a good person that dont want us to suffer.
However, take a friend advise to open a CUSA CTO/whatever account or your personal account will loose any Amiga user charm by threatening etc.
Appoint one person that will deal with trademark protection and say thanks to several persons that have let you know what the big bad Daddy was doing.
We are living in the small world, and your name is becoming more and more famous.
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l.
We're a small company trying to do the best we can with the IP we have, not a big bad corporation.
Why then you behave like one and badly emulated? To survive you would really need to cluster with similar companies and you could have partnership with e.g. Mint team and Cloanto by now, strenghtening your position. Fact is both mentioned companies have treated you friendly.
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I am working on the modified video...I'll post it as soon as I can.
Sorry for the inconvenience. :)
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Putting the Amiga trademark in promotional material, for what is intended as a product if there is enough interest, is still an issue.
I personally don't care what the Daddy does.
The images were brought to my attention by a couple of people.
He can choose to ignore my friendly requests or not.
I am just warning him that he should be careful with the trademarks, that's all.
We're a small company trying to do the best we can with the IP we have, not a big bad corporation.
oooooh, barrys 3000 dollars pc sticker business is threaten.... hahahaha!!
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Way to get more support in the amiga community, picking on the little guy.
These were the slap an amiga sticker on a zpc and no one will know we didn't make these computer hippocrites.
I think we should start a fund to give everyone who buys one of these cases a free amiga sticker. I'd happily contribute to that.
Any idea about how much these cases will cost and when they will be available?
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I am working on the modified video...I'll post it as soon as I can.
Sorry for the inconvenience. :)
Harkonnens n Sardakaurs :-)
Hope new video will be up soon and it will take some time to notice
everyone involved
http://oldschoolgameblog.wordpress.com/tag/loriano-pagni/
http://www.frambozenbier.org/index.php/raspi-community-news/23908-loriano-on-x500-plus
http://www.natami.net/knowledge.php?b=6¬e=46607&x=1&z=0D3V8u
http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projects-and-collaboration-general/x500-plus
http://bloggers.com/post/amiga-500-replica-case-introducing-the-x500-plus-6530897
etc.
I ll do edit for A.org and AW.net
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6356
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=61505
@haywirepc
I think we should start a fund to give everyone who buys one of these cases a free amiga sticker. I'd happily contribute to that.
Me too, 10$ bounty for additional stickers, no $1000 rip-offs :-)
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Way to get more support in the amiga community, picking on the little guy.
These were the slap an amiga sticker on a zpc and no one will know we didn't make these computer hippocrites.
I think we should start a fund to give everyone who buys one of these cases a free amiga sticker. I'd happily contribute to that.
Any idea about how much these cases will cost and when they will be available?
It's ok, editing the video right now, a bit of a pain as I have to photoshop all the images (at least I do a better job than some) :) if people could update the link to other sites that would be great, it will save me some time...
Still waiting to hear about the keyboards, DVD-RW, SATA cable and 3.5" card reader pricing, then I'll crunch some numbers and let you know...
Sorry about the delay...
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@TheDaddy
Glad that you're not being disheartened by the bullies!
If I get enough money together when it's out I may well get one myself.. the only real question is whether to put my Sam in it or to put a MiniITX PC in it and run AROS.
Argh - decisions, decisions!
Remember - non illegitimi carborundum - and they can yell and scream as much as they like, but the fact remains they only license the name Amiga, they have no rights to harass you.
Keep up the good work and keep us informed on progress!
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This is so typical of modern companies today. They are quick to jump down the throat of perceived copyright violation but don' t do aa good job of actively engaging the community. I know at least one big copyright holder who has legal teams scouring eBay for copyright violation and unauthorized selling of content , but little to no activity to bring new licensees on board or develop actual product that caters to the fan base.
They seem to be into be more interested in making money off of what they got through potential lawsuits than developing ip.
Just my observation.
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At least Lorriano designed a case instead of taking off the shelf cases and slapping a logo on them. I actually like the cases C= USA have done or rather rebadged. Maybe the interest level will inspire them to make a modern A1200 style case. It wold be cool if there was some sort of attachment that could make the keyboard case more of a CPU case for those that want to go back to the modern CPU box style of case.
You can always plug in a USB keyboard. They hit the ball with the c64 case though. I do think the Amiga wedge case design has merit too.
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And I can assure you that the Aros community feels honoured too and appreciates your efforts...
When was that put up for a vote?
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@TheDaddy
Glad that you're not being disheartened by the bullies!
If I get enough money together when it's out I may well get one myself.. the only real question is whether to put my Sam in it or to put a MiniITX PC in it and run AROS.
Argh - decisions, decisions!
Remember - non illegitimi carborundum - and they can yell and scream as much as they like, but the fact remains they only license the name Amiga, they have no rights to harass you.
Keep up the good work and keep us informed on progress!
Thanks...just for a moment I'd have liked to know how it feels being on the receiving end... ;)
chi di lama ferisce di spada perisce...
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When was that put up for a vote?
Yesterday..sorry you missed it.
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@Olafs3
So you are the voice of the aros community?
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Putting the Amiga trademark in promotional material, for what is intended as a product if there is enough interest, is still an issue.
I personally don't care what the Daddy does.
The images were brought to my attention by a couple of people.
He can choose to ignore my friendly requests or not.
I am just warning him that he should be careful with the trademarks, that's all.
We're a small company trying to do the best we can with the IP we have, not a big bad corporation.
Once again, C=USA demonstrates its skill at winning the hearts and minds of the Amiga community...
"I'm not a bad person!" said the boy scout with the machine gun as he fired randomly into the crowd. :rolleyes:
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Yesterday..sorry you missed it.
Oh, we are talking fantasy. Never mind.
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Oh, we are talking fantasy. Never mind.
Fantasy? Coming from Dobby? You must be joking...master is calling... ;)
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It was decided as a vote in the CUSA factory in china/germany :)
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It was decided as a vote in the CUSA factory in china/germany :)
ARF! Touche'! :)
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Hi everyone,
I have updated my page:
http://www.loriano.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
Updated the video...now in HD, put the volume up to max and select HD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAMCVDumhZQ
Thanks! :)
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@ TheDaddy
gorgeous case but those windows stickers are hurting my eyes;)
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Posted a message over at the Firebee forum at Atari-Forum.com. Figured widening the audience for your great case can't hurt.
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@ TheDaddy
One sharp looking case !! I love it :laugh1:
Would definitely go for a black version of it :biglaugh:
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Posted a message over at the Firebee forum at Atari-Forum.com. Figured widening the audience for your great case can't hurt.
That is great, much appreciated! :)
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@ TheDaddy
One sharp looking case !! I love it :laugh1:
Would definitely go for a black version of it :biglaugh:
Great!
I hope we can reach 50 orders...or interested people...let's see ;)
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Do people just email you to show interest or how does it work?
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Well done to Barry for his stance on this.
We can't have people putting in anything that's actually related to the Amiga in an Amiga branded case.
That would just lead to madness.
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Do people just email you to show interest or how does it work?
amigarulez@hotmail.com
:)
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Well done to Barry for his stance on this.
We can't have people putting in anything that's actually related to the Amiga in an Amiga branded case.
That would just lead to madness.
Bollocks, they have done it for revenge as CTO Leo himself admitted.
The case was NEVER going to come with ANY logo, sticker or adhesives, that was to give people ideas...illustration purposes only remember?
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I wasn't serious.
I was just having a cheap dig at their Amiga branded boxes running Linux instead of a real Amiga (like) OS.
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I wasn't serious.
I was just having a cheap dig at their Amiga branded boxes running Linux instead of a real Amiga (like) OS.
I see... :)
My apologies then, without smilies it sounded like dig at me...this is stressing me out. :D
Sorry again...
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It was decided as a vote in the CUSA factory in china/germany :)
Damn, forgot all about the memo, vote was supposed to be next to those OS4 notebooks.
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@TheDaddy
No worries matey, looks like you have been very busy.
Sit back and relax for a bit.
You will be busy again soon enough when you have to fulfill all those orders for your new case ;)
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Putting the Amiga trademark in promotional material, for what is intended as a product if there is enough interest, is still an issue.
That didn't seem to matter to any degree whatsoever when CUSA was using images and trademarks belonging to other people on the early CUSA website without permission.
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@thread
just when i thought those florida guys couldn't do anything to make me think even less of them, they prove me wrong. well done.
@TheDaddy
do let us know the prices when you can. your case has more amiga spirit and passion in it than anything the chinese tat-rebranding crowd and their sycophants can, have, or ever will come up with. just notice the difference in community reaction. i'd love to see one 'in the flesh' at this year's amiwest.
-- eliyahu
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@thread
just when i thought those florida guys couldn't do anything to make me think even less of them, they prove me wrong. well done.
Just curious, but how different in your mind is this than when Ben also was forced to defend the Amiga Inc. IP?
It must be nice for them to just sit back and watch others take all the heat, eh?
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Just curious, but how different in your mind is this than when Ben also was forced to defend the Amiga Inc. IP?
It must be nice for them to just sit back and watch others take all the heat, eh?
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Surely what The Daddy did was legally fine within "fair use". The only issue I saw was that he should have stated somewhere in fine print that "Amiga" belonged to "Amiga Inc".
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Surely what The Daddy did was legally fine within "fair use".
Who decides that, you? A trademark has to be defended, period. Yes, as usual CUSA took care of it in the worst possible way, but there's no reason to make a major fuss about it. A decade ago, Ben Hermans prevented MorphOS coverage in German TV for the same reasons, AInc once wanted Amiga fan websites to officially license the name from them...
You're a moderator on AW - instead of moderating Franko for labelling other users as "scum" and "scumbags" (CUSA people are people too...), you congratulate him on "stepping forward" and then come over here to create even more drama ("Amiga Case Designer Faces Intimidation")...
FAIL.
@TheDaddy:
Congratulations on that case design. I'm not too keen on keyboard computers myself, but that's just an awesome achievement.
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Who decides that, you? A trademark has to be defended, period. Yes, as usual CUSA took care of it in the worst possible way, but there's no reason to make a major fuss about it. A decade ago, Ben Hermans prevented MorphOS coverage in German TV for the same reasons, AInc once wanted Amiga fan websites to officially license the name from them...
Definately not you, that's for sure. How about Amiga Inc?
You're a moderator on AW - instead of moderating Franko for labelling other users as "scum" and "scumbags" (CUSA people are people too...), you congratulate him on "stepping forward" and then come over here to create even more drama ("Amiga Case Designer Faces Intimidation")...
I congratulated him on offering to pay The Daddy's legal expenses. This was an important news story to share, as witnessed by the responses here. Plus, as a non-moderator on this forum I have more freedom to express my opinions.
FAIL.
Yes, you and C-USA have failed.
Edit: In fairness, it isn't clear what I was congratulating Franko for and this was pointed out to me. However when I went back to add the quote to the part I was responding to I discovered that the thread had been locked, and even I can't edit my own posts in a locked thread.
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Damn, forgot all about the memo, vote was supposed to be next to those OS4 notebooks.
Please be decent human being with a little bit of shame for Leos behavior. Looks like Jealosy and bad mind http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkAcR_HHAsA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkAcR_HHAsA)
- AmigaOne X1000 was on sale before Amiga Mini (Amiga Mini suspended release of big $20 000 Amigas being CUSA top model)
- A500 case replica is done by Loriano (CUSA supsended any further new case plan)
- Its likely OS 4.2 and even MOS 3.0 might be out before COS 1.0 (Currently beta 8?) which at 1.0, will not be developed new os promised as COS 2.0 ... and might be Mint 11 (CUSA originally promised Mint 11 and Mint 12 Commodore edition)
- Even that Lime Z9 AmigaOS might be out before promised tablet and netbook Amiga devices by Amiga Inc and C=USA
And who then waits in wain and who works ass for small profit and who is laisy for big one? Problem with high profits its not the way capitalism in crisis works ...
About Loriano: It was unecessary intimiditation to eliminate any possible competition in name. Product is X500 and rest are stickers just as example of OS`s that can be run on hardware put inside. Under those terms it could be fair use, as Leo explained that Cloanto
"had good faith in them" or similar line. Seems Cloanto and Mint treat C=USA fairly, while CUSA beats the weaker.
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Who decides that, you? A trademark has to be defended, period.
A trademark does not have to be defended by people who don't even own it, and even if it did, Leo explicitly stated that this was an act of petty revenge. I don't see how TheDaddy possibly (though likely not) being slightly in the wrong in any way justifies Leo's actions.
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A trademark does not have to be defended by people who don't even own it
According to the AInc/Hyperion settlement (http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/washington/wawdce/2:2007cv00631/143245/147/1.html), Hyperion are entitled to protect the IP they licensed from AInc on their own ("...grant Hyperion the right and unconditional permission to enforce...") . Barry claims (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=673599&postcount=9) he has also been granted "the right to enforce the Amiga trademark IP". That might be a bogus claim (like many of his other claims), but you or me certainly don't know if it is.
As AInc is certainly no longer protecting anything, it's up to Hyperion and CUSA to defend the trademarks unless they want them watered down so much that they get useless.
CUSA defending anything isn't a problem, and them being idiots about it isn't news. You guys just love hating them so much, that you can't stop talking about them.
and even if it did, Leo explicitly stated that this was an act of petty revenge.
CUSA sucks. I know that, you know that, Darrin knows that. People have been yelling about it, threatening them with ritual suicide or declaring war on them for two ******* years now.
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The truly amazing thing for me is that C=USA have completely missed an opportunity.
They sold some C64x's - not many, to be sure (going by the lack of activity on the official support forum) - but more than they will the Amiga Mini, because people aren't dumb enough usually to spend $1000 on a name - they need a USP (no, a name of a computer that died 18 years ago is not a USP to 99.9% of the world). Yet here they are and someone's done some really fine work in doing exactly what the Amiga community want - they've done something new, and relevant. Even people who dislike the keyboard computer are congratulating him on doing something so professional on his own and for his love of the platform, because they recognise the work done and respect the fact that he's doing something new.
Why aren't C=USA trying to talk to Lorriano and trying to license the design, or at least elements of it? He's done most of the hard work. If they did that they'd gain individuality, they could say they were helping a community member, they could say they were listening to the public. They could repair at least some of the damage they've already done. They would gain the all-important USP they need. Sure, only to a fairly small market, but they'd be a reasonable sized fish in a small pond - right now they're a very expensive minnow in a giant ocean of sharks.
I know where I'd rather be.
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Definately not you, that's for sure. How about Amiga Inc?
See my reply to John. AInc doesn't defend anything these days - if CUSA is entitled to defend the IP, it's in their very interest to do so.
(not like this and not in this case, obviously - but that's no reason for this flamefest)
Edit: In fairness, it isn't clear what I was congratulating Franko for
I really couldn't care less what you congratulate Franko for. He insulted other members, just go and fix that - it's your job, btw.
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As AInc is certainly no longer protecting anything, it's up to Hyperion and CUSA to defend the trademarks unless they want them watered down so much that they get useless.
Yep. It's hard for the licensor (parent company) to protect any trademarked product they might have...when they have none. heh. So, it's up to the licensees.
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Please be decent human being with a little bit of shame for Leos behavior.
Are you implying that I am not a decent human being? What's with the personal attack?
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Are you implying that I am not a decent human being? What's with the personal attack?
Surely, every decent human being is feeling adequately to how Leo responded to X500 showcase.
(or take away person that had to do it, by C=USA response)
This is a friendly request from Sinclair UK, LLC, the licensee of the trademark, to remove the QL branding from the advertising of this unit.
But since all QL trademarks have been removed, problem of C=USA is ovecomed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtzHIgsS8mw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtzHIgsS8mw)
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Looks more like Acorn machines than any Commodore case so I don't see the reason for C=USA showing their true colours to the community.
Think they don't like people showing up their Amiga/VIC Mini rubbish idea for the lack of effort :)
(http://www.retro-kit.co.uk/user/custom/Acorn/32bit/A3000/Acorn-BBC-A3000_sml.jpg)
(http://www.bygone-computers.com/computer/Acorn/BBC%20Micro/BBC.png)
(http://www.grebz.fr/Images/amiga/amiga_500_01.png)
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I always did like the red keys on an acorn.
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Looks like you've got a little interest over at the Atari-Forum Firebee board.
http://atari-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=92&t=23355&sid=b11c4642de4ab47a4245a40f642e2aa6
Maybe you should take a picture of the case with the Firebee logo and post it over there?
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Looks like you've got a little interest over at the Atari-Forum Firebee board.
http://atari-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=92&t=23355&sid=b11c4642de4ab47a4245a40f642e2aa6
Maybe you should take a picture of the case with the Firebee logo and post it over there?
They should put Atari sticker and whatever was the high end expansion of Atari :-)
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Amazing! I didnt login on the weekend and already theres an epic thread with legal threats sling match....
I guess theres probably alot of temptation for other parties to sue in Commdore/Amiga land. Isnt that the Amiga story after commodore bankruptcy, I'll sue you no no I'll sue you.
Anyways Goodluck! Its no good to just finish a product and then deal with crap like this. :(
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I'm interesting in buying a case, but I've asked before without reply... What is the projected price, even ballpark? That would be nice to know before folks register interest in buying this...
Steven
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Removed the tick
You can keep that. Noone has protected the tick since fall of Commodore, it has been used for 20 years by anyone without the need for any license - it's abandoned and public domain.
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http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=35684&forum=33&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0#664476
Well, sly threats are easier than providing support.
The funny thing is, they don't even own the righst to the Amiga name, they just license it.
Now why in the world would you start some silly flamebait thread title like that. How lame put I'm so tired of this anti Commodore usa crap. This guy put up a bunch of money and energy for this project. What are you guys doing to help amiga name out commercially? Exactly.
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I do believe its probably not good to open a thread that would definitely be open to flaming..
Why dont we close the thread with the case designer just ship it without logos, and have printable logos where people can download then stick it on their own case if they like ? After all it was sold without logos and endusers should be free to decorate their own cases :)
Hell even CUSA could get into the sticker trade, making and selling their own stickers as long as cost isn't above $2 :)
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Now why in the world would you start some silly flamebait thread title like that. How lame put I'm so tired of this anti Commodore usa crap. This guy put up a bunch of money and energy for this project. What are you guys doing to help amiga name out commercially? Exactly.
Wait, let me get this straight - TheDaddy is admirable for putting his own time and money into an Amiga-inspired project, therefore we should feel bad for disliking the company that harassed him about something that wasn't even wrong for him to do? Yeah, that makes sense.
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Now why in the world would you start some silly flamebait thread title like that. How lame put I'm so tired of this anti Commodore usa crap. This guy put up a bunch of money and energy for this project. What are you guys doing to help amiga name out commercially? Exactly.
And what exactly is C=USA doing to help the Amiga scene?
(clue: answer includes the letters f,c,u,k, ,a,l,l, )
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Wait, let me get this straight - TheDaddy is admirable for putting his own time and money into an Amiga-inspired project, therefore we should feel bad for disliking the company that harassed him about something that wasn't even wrong for him to do? Yeah, that makes sense.
Exactly, they made a mistake assuming he was the kind of scum who stuck Commodore sticky labels on cases sold without a licence without reading the web page properly.....I wonder who has done that before before hmmm :lol:
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You can keep that. Noone has protected the tick since fall of Commodore, it has been used for 20 years by anyone without the need for any license - it's abandoned and public domain.
The red/white beach ball can't be Amiga Inc's property either, it was used as a product logo by a hardware vendor for A1000 products in 1985/86.
Therefore nobody else can do anything other than buy said company's rights (which Commodore didn't do) if they want to stop EVERYONE using it.
Also you can't stop someone calling a computer "A.M.I.G.A" as they are initials, as long as you define the five letter acronym and none of the A letters stand for the word "amiga".
And yes the font used by Commodore for the word "Amiga"can not be objected to as it is royalty free :)
:banana:
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I think we might be starting to go down this road.. remember apple sueing anyone that uses anything that even resembles an apple.
(http://methodbranding.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/woolworths-apple.jpg)
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I think we might be starting to go down this road.. remember apple sueing anyone that uses anything that even resembles an apple.
(http://methodbranding.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/woolworths-apple.jpg)
That really happened?
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The truly amazing thing for me is that C=USA have completely missed an opportunity.
They sold some C64x's - not many, to be sure (going by the lack of activity on the official support forum) - but more than they will the Amiga Mini, because people aren't dumb enough usually to spend $1000 on a name - they need a USP (no, a name of a computer that died 18 years ago is not a USP to 99.9% of the world). Yet here they are and someone's done some really fine work in doing exactly what the Amiga community want - they've done something new, and relevant. Even people who dislike the keyboard computer are congratulating him on doing something so professional on his own and for his love of the platform, because they recognise the work done and respect the fact that he's doing something new.
Why aren't C=USA trying to talk to Lorriano and trying to license the design, or at least elements of it? He's done most of the hard work. If they did that they'd gain individuality, they could say they were helping a community member, they could say they were listening to the public. They could repair at least some of the damage they've already done. They would gain the all-important USP they need. Sure, only to a fairly small market, but they'd be a reasonable sized fish in a small pond - right now they're a very expensive minnow in a giant ocean of sharks.
I know where I'd rather be.
if you read the interview you would know that barry makes it perfectly clear, he is not here for the community. barry is only here to make easy 100% profit with not lifting a finger... so paying anyone is outta the question. cusa damaged their own reputation with their arrogant and idiotic behavior. it is nothing to repair here, soon cusa will be buried with the atari's e.t. in a landfill somewhere and forgotten.
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Does anyone think it would be a good idea to move the LEDs to the left instead of centrally?
Can't do right as it fouls the memory on the x86 board and the picoPSU on the SAM460...
If you think about it the X500 is all reversed
:D compared to the A500
Drives on the left too...
Opinions?
Thanks
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Does anyone think it would be a good idea to move the LEDs to the left instead of centrally?
Can't do right as it fouls the memory on the x86 board and the picoPSU on the SAM460...
If you think about it the X500 is all reversed
:D compared to the A500
Drives on the left too...
Opinions?
Thanks
I don't think they look that bad in the middle personally.
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Thank you for letting me know...
They would look like this:
Alternative LEDs position (on the left).
Thoughts?
http://www.loriano.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ledsalternative.htm
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Thank you for letting me know...
They would look like this:
Alternative LEDs position (on the left).
Thoughts?
http://www.loriano.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ledsalternative.htm
i say go for the left, it looks more clean and neat... that's my opinion.
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Thank you for letting me know...
They would look like this:
Alternative LEDs position (on the left).
Thoughts?
http://www.loriano.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ledsalternative.htm
Original A500/A1200 is far right. If that isn`t possible far left is more look a like then central. Even it looks fancy I don`t recall any computer to have LEDs in the middle :-)
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i did a few changes so it dont look to square... and a bit more like the 500... just minor changes..
(http://i.imgur.com/QzeQE.jpg)
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I can hear Barry cutting and pasting the legal letter from Apple's website already... Close call TheDaddy!
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No I don't...
With the exception of the 2000 (which was functional), C16, and the Plus 4, I think I liked most Commodore cases.
To each his own..
Indeed each to his own, I'd say the Plus 4 was the nicest looking 8-bit machine they ever produced.
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Indeed each to his own, I'd say the Plus 4 was the nicest looking 8-bit machine they ever produced.
I liked the plus 4. I've even started to like the design of the ST case recently (I'm sure they had the same designer).
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Hi everyone,
I have updated my page:
http://www.loriano.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
Updated the video...now in HD, put the volume up to max and select HD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAMCVDumhZQ
Thanks! :)
just posted a link to the video on my amiga group on facebook.
good luck with your project. I love to see people working on such things
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Thanks a lot for your support. :)
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(http://9to5.cc/vagrants/files/2012/01/fallingdown.jpg)
"I'm the bad guy? How did that happen?"
-BigBenAussie
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Does anyone think it would be a good idea to move the LEDs to the left instead of centrally?
Having the LEDs positioned in the centre looks kinda odd to me, the mockup with them moved over to the left looks absolutely perfect.
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Yeah centre looks odd, to the left looks more like home a bit more like the original.
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OK...getting more feeback here:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=35607&start=80&post_id=664797&order=0&viewmode=flat&pid=0&forum=33#664797
What about silks creening the X500 PLUS in the centre (or left) rear of the top? (Does that make sense?
:)
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OK...getting more feeback here:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=35607&start=80&post_id=664797&order=0&viewmode=flat&pid=0&forum=33#664797
What about silks creening the X500 PLUS in the centre (or left) rear of the top? (Does that make sense?
:)
The case could be used for a multitude of different motherboards. I'd leave it blank or you'll just have one more think to worry about and people to complain about.
You're "feature creeping" again. ;)
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Keep it plain, alot of ppl really like the glossy white surface..
Also I dont like the name X500.. just appears too X1000 to me.. and the 2 lights on the left opposite to the original A500 on the right. (just like reminding of home as stated before, like in the origianl a500) Im starting to think its a mirror image of things that have been done.. Not sure if thats a good or bad thing, I would prefer unique offerings though.
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OK...so left and plain. Got it...people can do what they like. :)
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The case could be used for a multitude of different motherboards. I'd leave it blank or you'll just have one more think to worry about and people to complain about.
You're "feature creeping" again. ;)
Yeah, you're right got to stop it..
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Yeah as its your baby, its too tempting to keep on going back and making changes.. You have to at least settle with a base model thats not too labour intensive to manufacture but still appealing..
You could charge a little more $$ for your labour for customisable options but that will probably gunna turn into a headache..
Maybe consider offerring good quality vinyls seperately down the track to help ppl decorate only if there is a demand. (unique custom ones of course ;) )
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I agree that left-justified LEDs look better.
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Do not make them in black with a proper keyboard or you may get in trouble with Sinclair USA :)
(http://www.old-computers.com/museum/photos/Sinclair_PC200_Sides_s1.jpg)
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@TheDaddy-
Great looking case! Ignore C-USA, man that company makes me sick, though! ;-p
Probably missed somewhere higher up in the thread, but what about having the LED's on the right, like the original A500?
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I've always wondered why the drives are mounted on the left rather than the right side like on the original A500.
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Hi both,
Can't do right as it fouls the memory on the x86 board and the picoPSU on the SAM460...
The mouse is also in the way and so it's its wire. Removing card (media cards) from the card reader was a pain. But mainly this way all the four motherboards I have tested fit and we get extra space for a low profile PCI/PCI-Express card. ;)
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Hi both,
Can't do right as it fouls the memory on the x86 board and the picoPSU on the SAM460...
The mouse is also in the way and so it's its wire. Removing card (media cards) from the card reader was a pain. But mainly this way all the four motherboards I have tested fit and we get extra space for a low profile PCI/PCI-Express card. ;)
White with left and black with center. Just to make it different, small choice but important :-)
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VERY nice looking case! (Thanks Darrin for posting these pics)
DADDY:
Really nice job on these very professinal. (I agree with the folks above that LED's should be left mounted rather than centered.) Do you have a price for these as of yet? (And if it has been stated already please forgive me)
Here's some pics I managed to snag. None of them say "Amiga" (There is AmigaOS which is Hyperion's and "Amica"):
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/darrin01311/top.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/darrin01311/45degree.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/darrin01311/open.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/darrin01311/sideports.jpg)
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that made me laugh a lot
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What exactly made you laugh alot? Thought it was a reasonable question.. ???
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And what exactly is C=USA doing to help the Amiga scene?
(clue: answer includes the letters f,c,u,k, ,a,l,l, )
That made me laugh a lot
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What exactly made you laugh alot? Thought it was a reasonable question.. ???
sorry deleted post. its now as i meant.
And yes I think to the left is much better
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Keep it plain, alot of ppl really like the glossy white surface..
Also I dont like the name X500..
Meh, I thought it looked pretty decent on the case:
(http://extropia.co.uk/img/x500_1.jpg)
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VERY nice looking case! (Thanks Darrin for posting these pics)
DADDY:
Really nice job on these very professinal. (I agree with the folks above that LED's should be left mounted rather than centered.) Do you have a price for these as of yet? (And if it has been stated already please forgive me)
Thanks.
No price just yet, I have got one or two things to sort out first and now the LEDs need to be moved to the left :D it might add a bit to the price but I like it now. Also waiting to get prices for the plastic and aluminium plus all the other bits that make the case (switch, LEDs, cable ties, screws, USB adaptor etc...etc...). I am considering the inclusion of a DVD-RW and 3.5" card reader...what do you all think?
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I am considering the inclusion of a DVD-RW and 3.5" card reader...what do you all think?
Would it come with the drive bays in any case? If so I'd say keep it simple, anybody using this will have no trouble acquiring their own drives.
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Would it come with the drive bays in any case? If so I'd say keep it simple, anybody using this will have no trouble acquiring their own drives.
I agree, keep it simple and as affordable as possible...
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@ The Daddy
As I keep saying, and as CommodoreJohn says, leave the drives out. We can install our own if we need them.
If you put them in then you open up a can of worms with people complaining about type/style/colour/brand/etc plus it will jack the price up.
Some people won't want an optical drive at all. It would be no use to me with an FPGA Arcade. If I want one later it will probably connect to the daughterboard so I'll need to see what connections are needed. Might even use an external.
Keep it simple. The less options and less parts the better.
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@ The Daddy
As I keep saying, and as CommodoreJohn says, leave the drives out. We can install our own if we need them.
If you put them in then you open up a can of worms with people complaining about type/style/colour/brand/etc plus it will jack the price up.
Some people won't want an optical drive at all. It would be no use to me with an FPGA Arcade. If I want one later it will probably connect to teh daughterboard so I'll need to see what connections are needed. Might even use an external.
Keep it simple. The less options and less parts the better.
This.
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I showed the case design to a late teen early 20's student who never really had exposure to wedge cases. He likes this design becuase as long has he can fit a desktop board and related components in there with access to a couple of PCIE slots he is happy.
He says its a great LAN party machine as it's console like. All desktop class parts in one unit.
We are all old farts on here with nostalgic ties to wedge cases. I was curious to get a young bloods opinion.
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Adding drives by default will just lose sales, IMHO.
Many people won't want optical drives at all. If they do, most drives come with white and black faceplates, so getting a fair match color wise should be OK should they choose to add one.
Other than when I build a new gaming machine, I rarely, if ever - put optical drives in my machines. Just as easy to have a directory full of .iso imaged discs on my NAS box that all the machines in the network can access.
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Meh, I thought it looked pretty decent on the case:
(http://extropia.co.uk/img/x500_1.jpg)
Ding dong! Sold!
(Only if there are no blue LEDs on it though. I absolutely hate blue LEDs. They're always far too bright and make my eye focus go all weird).
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Ding dong! Sold!
(Only if there are no blue LEDs on it though. I absolutely hate blue LEDs. They're always far too bright and make my eye focus go all weird).
That particular image was just a mockup I made out of TheDaddy's original photo, btw.
Obviously we have similar taste in wedges :-)
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I see...so no drives...how would you fill the gaps?
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I see...so no drives...how would you fill the gaps?
A simple pop-in faceplate, I'd think.
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A simple pop-in faceplate, I'd think.
I'd have to find them for both the 3.5" and the slim drive, or just provide the case as is and up to the user?
Checking on google...
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Personally i don't like the white so much. What i would really like to see is a camoflauge painted wedge case. I've always wanted a milspec Amiga.
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Personally i don't like the white so much. What i would really like to see is a camoflauge painted wedge case. I've always wanted a milspec Amiga.
For an extra $20, The Daddy will supply you with cans of black, brown and green spray paint. :D
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I did a whole car once.
(http://cbmvax.com/jungle/camosaabi.jpg)
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I did a whole car once.
(http://cbmvax.com/jungle/camosaabi.jpg)
Half-arsed job. I can still see it. :D
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Half-arsed job. I can still see it. :D
Yeah, he forget to paint the windows and remove all the flashing lights!
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Half-arsed job. I can still see it. :D
That made me spew beer from my nostrils! :roflmao:
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As a long time Amiga user I take offence when a commersial enity behaves like CUSA.
Even if they call it "Friendly" (which they do not mean at all).
Also, Is it me or is this tradmark/copyright/patent protection hunting getting sickening?
I am starting to take an active stand against corporations that use this hard enforcement behaviour
against smaller parties. I do not care if they protect ther "IP" since all it does is strangle and kill
crativity as well as development (not to mention invention).
Once it was a way to protect inventions and give the inventor/corporation a chance to earn back
profit before it became common knowledge for all to use.
Nowdays it's all about simple greed and monopoly. I am sick about it.
Those corporations end upp on my "black list" and I stop giving them my money.
Simle really. More should do the same and maybe they would alter their tone and behaviour.
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@proteus
This is about trademarks, not about inventions.
The two are not equivalent and you are misinterpreting the situation.
We are not a big bad corporation but the very definition of the little guy.
It isn't about hunting anyone....it is about intent.
He can't feign ignorance that he was not doing anything wrong.
It was not an innocent mistake.
Given "The Daddy's" previous public attacks and contempt towards our company it was clearly intended as provocation and a publicity stunt.
He is using trademarks in his publicity materials he knows very well he cannot use legally. End of story.
We don't post here for the advertising, let me assure you.
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"We're not a big bad company trying to hurt people, except when we take petty revenge for imagined slights!"
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Given "The Daddy's" previous public attacks and contempt towards our company it was clearly intended as provocation and a publicity stunt.
Provercation and publicity stunt? I think you must be talking about C-USA considering your unethical actions.
Keep it up Ben, you're fooling nobody here.
What he did was "fair use" in the same way Goodyear show their tires fitted to Ford cars or Toyotas. You really need to remember just how small and insignificant you are. The clock is ticking. Barry's furniture is only going to support you for so long and then you're out of here.
You would also do well to remember he is located in the EU.
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@proteus
This is about trademarks, not about inventions.
The two are not equivalent and you are misinterpreting the situation.
We are not a big bad corporation but the very definition of the little guy.
It isn't about hunting anyone....it is about intent.
He can't feign ignorance that he was not doing anything wrong.
It was not an innocent mistake.
Given "The Daddy's" previous public attacks and contempt towards our company it was clearly intended as provocation and a publicity stunt.
He is using trademarks in his publicity materials he knows very well he cannot use legally. End of story.
We don't post here for the advertising, let me assure you.
No, you don't, do you. I quit counting the number of people I've spoken to here that have said they won't consider your products based on your behavior here.
And once again, you come here and make a complete unprofessional arse of yourself? I assume business school or PR training isn't on your resume, eh?
I hate wedge cases. I'll buy the case TheDaddy is offering just to support the cause. Many others will as well. And the FIRST THING I am gonna do is slap a Commodore sticker on one side, and on the other side - an Amiga sticker. I'll put the build process videos on YouTube in HD. Hey, I'm just a guy slapping stickers on a case, I ain't selling anything.
Every public statement you make about this issue Leo, there's a guy reading it that may have been considering your product, but when he reads your nonsense he makes a decision to NOT deal with your company due to the unprofessional aspects. Why aren't you understanding all of this? It pains me to see people making the same mistakes over and over again.
You botched it when you tried to do a C&D on a public forums, in public. Now it's like watching a guy shoot himself over and over in the foot.
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This is about trademarks, not about inventions.
Remember the stolen pictures C-USA used? Did those motherboards in the fake pictures have your trademark on them or someone else's? How about when you ripped off Disney because you don't quite understand what "partner" means? Any mention of Windows on your website? Hope you paid M$ to use it.
We are not a big bad corporation but the very definition of the little guy.
Only saying this because we busted you after all of the lies.
It isn't about hunting anyone....it is about intent.
C-USA's intent to screw the Amiga name.
He can't feign ignorance that he was not doing anything wrong.
Except he didn't do anything wrong. Care to make me out a list of everything C-USA did wrong? It would be a big list and as CTO you are responsible.
It was not an innocent mistake.
C-USA's lies? We know that, no it wasn't.
Given "The Daddy's" previous public attacks and contempt towards our company it was clearly intended as provocation and a publicity stunt.
Pointing out your lies? Want to quote the personal attacks made by C-USA on The Daddy both in public and in private?
He is using trademarks in his publicity materials he knows very well he cannot use legally. End of story.
Fair use policy. He's not selling anything using your logos, he's showing a fan design, just like fans use Star Trek Logos or Star Wars logos. Complain if he sells it with your logos showing.
We don't post here for the advertising, let me assure you.
Nah, just out of desperation and "under orders".
Tick, tock... tick, tock... tick, tock...
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FAIR USE OF TRADEMARKS UNDER US LAW:
In the United States, trademark law includes a fair use defense, sometimes called "trademark fair use" to distinguish it from the better-known fair use doctrine in copyright. As with copyright law, the trademark fair use doctrine is premised in significant part on the First Amendment guarantees of free speech. Fair use is consistent with the more limited protection granted to trademarks, generally specific only to the particular product market and geographic area of the trademark owner.
Most trademarks are adapted from words or symbols already common to the culture, as Apple, Inc. is from apple, instead of being invented by the mark owner (such as Kodak). Courts have recognized that ownership in the mark cannot prevent others from using the word or symbol in these other senses, such as if the trademark is a descriptive word or common symbol such as a pine tree. This means that the less distinctive or original the trademark, the less able the trademark owner will be to control how it is used.
A nonowner may also use a trademark nominatively*—to refer to the actual trademarked product or its source. In addition to protecting product criticism and analysis, United States law actually encourages nominative usage by competitors in the form of comparative advertising
* NOTE:
Nominative use:
Nominative use, also "nominative fair use", is a legal doctrine that provides an affirmative defense to trademark infringement as enunciated by the United States Ninth Circuit, by which a person may use the trademark of another as a reference to describe the other product, or to compare it to their own. Nominative use may be considered to be either related to, or a type of "trademark fair use" (sometimes called "classic fair use" or "statutory fair use")
In C-USA's case, you can't even say that The Daddy is infringing on YOUR tradmark as he could be comparing his X500 with the real "Amiga" computer which you have absolutely bugger-all to do with.
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Don't confuse him with facts, Darrin. It'll make his brain itch, which will result in another 4 days of delusional ramblings..
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Don't confuse him with facts, Darrin. It'll make his brain itch, which will result in another 4 days of delusional ramblings..
True. Plus I'm sure C-USA understands it perfectly. They're just being bullies.
You know, the sad part is that right at the start I thought Ben was the only honest one on the staff, but it is now obvious that he's the same as the rest of them. I wonder if this was the case all along, or whether it is desperation because he has sunk some of his own money into this flawed, mismanaged project.
Oh well...
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@Bigben. How can you call that provocative? Up until today i always thought you were the voice of reason coming from CUSA. I've changed my mind.
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@Bigben. How can you call that provocative? Up until today i always thought you were the voice of reason coming from CUSA. I've changed my mind.
I changed my mind when Barry used me to announce the birth of Leo's child and then tried to use that against me. Christ, when a company resorts to using babies as a means to discredit their critics then they really are scraping the barrel.
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What? How could he use that against you? LOL
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(http://extropia.co.uk/img/x500_1.jpg)
Yeah, I'm sold. I want one! :lol: This thing is *GORGEOUS*!!!!
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What? How could he use that against you? LOL
I know. It didn't work very well and kind of backfired on them. Still, they must be getting used to that.
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Might have had less issue if you'd recreated a Walker based design. Noone wants to claim rights to that!
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Might have had less issue if you'd recreated a Walker based design. Noone wants to claim rights to that!
LOL. That's cruel!
(true, but cruel)
Mind you, Hoover might go after him. :D
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@Darrin and the confused BAF's
Here's some pics I managed to snag. None of them say "Amiga" (There is AmigaOS which is Hyperion's and "Amica"):
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/darrin01311/45degree.jpg)
(http://www.loriano.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/28.png)
Some of you guys are really incredible, do you know that?
First you think it's *morally OK* for Hyperion to intimidate Commodore USA for planning to ship AROS installed on their computers, since it would be an infringement to Hyperion's exclusive license from Amiga to ship Amiga OS 3.1 API based OS's under the "AmigaOS" brand?
But then you think it's *not* morally OK for Commodore USA for doing exactly the same thing to anyone infringing on *their* exclusive license from Amiga to ship "All In One" keyboard computers under the Amiga brand?
:confused:
Hyperion doesn't own the Amiga brand, Hyperion doesn't own the Amiga OS (merely the OS4 add-on's), it's all licensed in *exactly the same way* as Commodore has a valid license agreement with Amiga! You guys has really lost your moral compass somewhere going astray in the land of Hypocrisy.
And looking at those pictures, My God, are you for real? Do you *really* think this is OK? You don't think this is like selling "Addidas" shoes (an extra "d" after the "a"), or Nike shirts with the Nike logo mirrored? You really endorse trademark infringement and piracy this way? You are even using the similar typeface, and the meaning of the word is the same! So Commodore USA selling Amigas with "Amica OS" (AROS) would be OK?
And the marketing has obviously already begun, on more than one Internet site...
:rolleyes:
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@Darrin and the confused BAF's
Some of you guys are really incredible, do you know that?
First you think it's *morally OK* for Hyperion to intimidate Commodore USA for planning to ship AROS installed on their computers, since it would be an infringement to Hyperion's exclusive license from Amiga to ship Amiga OS 3.1 API based OS's under the "AmigaOS" brand?
But then you think it's *not* morally OK for Commodore USA for doing exactly the same thing to anyone infringing on *their* exclusive license from Amiga to ship "All In One" keyboard computers under the Amiga brand?
Bit of a correction, the license from Amiga Inc is no longer exclusive to just Amiga AIO's, but all Amiga computers.
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But TheDaddy isn't selling a computer, he's selling a case. An unbranded case. He's made it quite clear that what stickers you put on it are up to the buyer.
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First you think it's *morally OK* for Hyperion to intimidate Commodore USA for planning to ship AROS installed on their computers, since it would be an infringement to Hyperion's exclusive license from Amiga to ship Amiga OS 3.1 API based OS's under the "AmigaOS" brand?
Who was saying that? Nobody that I noticed. Of course Hyperion were jerkoffs about shipping AROS, that doesn't automatically justify everything CUSA does.
And looking at those pictures, My God, are you for real? Do you *really* think this is OK? You don't think this is like selling "Addidas" shoes (an extra "d" after the "a"), or Nike shirts with the Nike logo mirrored? You really endorse trademark infringement and piracy this way? You are even using the similar typeface, and the meaning of the word is the same! So Commodore USA selling Amigas with "Amica OS" (AROS) would be OK?
Only if you'd been paying attention, they're not being sold with those marks! They're not being sold with any marks! They're being sold unmarked, and the promotional pictures were solely an example of what could be put on them! Is drawing a Commodore logo on an Etch-a-Sketch trademark infringement? Is doodling it in sidewalk chalk trademark infringement?
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Bit of a correction, the license from Amiga Inc is no longer exclusive to just Amiga AIO's, but all Amiga computers.
This has never been announced at Amiga Inc OR C=USA website
as official news, just rumored at forums. Without documents no faith in liars.
Oh, yes
In another thread you said you would remove the QL trademark from your materials as you cannot use it legally.
You seem to have created another image with the QL trademark present.
So its protecting images and learning to read now.
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@Darrin and the confused BAF's
Some of you guys are really incredible, do you know that?
First you think it's *morally OK* for Hyperion to intimidate Commodore USA for planning to ship AROS installed on their computers, since it would be an infringement to Hyperion's exclusive license from Amiga to ship Amiga OS 3.1 API based OS's under the "AmigaOS" brand?
But then you think it's *not* morally OK for Commodore USA for doing exactly the same thing to anyone infringing on *their* exclusive license from Amiga to ship "All In One" keyboard computers under the Amiga brand?
:confused:
Hyperion is different to CUSA as they actually contribute something to the community so they will tend to have some support.
But this is different. People don't like companies that step on the small people. A backyard inventor invents something that makes the big corporate CUSA look bad so they step on him. No-one likes a bully...
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I think all the amiga grave robbers should go to hell.
All amiga enthusiasts would be much better off if amiga ip, amiga os and amiga like os systems, the name, the logos and everything were free and open source and open for anyone to use.
There is ALWAYS some amiga grave robber telling others they can't do things. Come on dude, thats ridiculous. Silly Billy has raped the amiga corpse long enough.
He can't even prove he HAS any of the rights he claims, because its all been mired in legal spaghetti for how many years now? Silly Billy also committed fraud with his corporate shell games.
I said it before and I'm sure I'm right, if everyone just started using the name, roms, logos, whatever they wouldn't be able to sue everyone. Their rights to everything would be gone in the space of 6 months.
Amiga should belong to its users, period.
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Bit of a correction, the license from Amiga Inc is no longer exclusive to just Amiga AIO's, but all Amiga computers.
From http://www.commodoreusa.net
Amiga® trademark used under exclusive worldwide license by Commodore USA, LLC for its line of AIO (All-In-One) keyboard computers, and worldwide non-exclusive license for desktop, tower and HTPC computers, and is the trademark of Amiga Inc., registered in the United States and other countries.
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Actually, I think we should all say a big "Thank You" to Commodore USA.
Thanks to them, TheDaddy has got 10 times as much publicity as he had before they stepped with their Size 11s. This thread has had 7,600 views now on A.org, and the equivalent on AW.net has had several thousand also.
So thank-you, C=USA!
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@BigBen...
quote: We are not a big bad corporation but the very definition of the little guy.
That is not what you have been telling us for the last 2 years. Now that we know the real deal you are changing the tune...I am the smallest guy of them all.
quote: He can't feign ignorance that he was not doing anything wrong.
you can call me Loriano (like you did when you emailed me two years ago, wanting to know about my project, remember?) or TheDaddy (by the way it's just the first thing I could think of when I re-registered on amiga fora, I became a daddy, no delusions of granduer, unlike some)
quote: It was not an innocent mistake.
You keep saying that but it was innocent. Those are bits of paper resting (not even glued) on the case. I NEVER (look how naive I am) thought CUSA would have mounted this drama. They were for illustration purposes only, I was NEVER going to sell the cases with a logo. I am a designer not a thief. ;)
quote: Given "The Daddy's" previous public attacks and contempt towards our company it was clearly intended as provocation and a publicity stunt.
LOL! And you are wrong again. Why do you keep damaging "your" (Barry's?) company like this?
The public attacks? If you think that finding out by chance (I didn't actively investigate CUSA's actions, I remembered seeing those photos somewhere else) that you were misleading and trying to pass the Fujitsu manufacturing plant in Germany as your Chinese assembly line is a public attack then you've got it all wrong. Your company boasted chinese manufacturing, warehouses full of C64x boards (those were NOT).
Also when I first announced that I was working on an A500-style case you emailed me saying that you were interested. I nearly fell for it.
Then the behaviour coming from you, CUSA and Barry made me change my mind. Something didn't add up.
quote: We don't post here for the advertising, let me assure you
Oh really? Your company HAS BEEN FOUNDED on amiga.org and amigaworld.net traffic you have generated with your threads. Come on man. You are digging deeper and deeper.
This has nothing to do with trademarks, this is a petty revenge. You even said that yourself! Anyway photos altered, video altered, another missed opportunity.
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I'm glad you grew a set of balls. You know what is going to happen now don't you? Nothing. Once you stand up to a bully nothing ever happens.
I only wish that other guy from OSnews would grow a set and stop being scared.
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I'm glad you grew a set of balls. You know what is going to happen now don't you? Nothing. Once you stand up to a bully nothing ever happens.
I only wish that other guy from OSnews would grow a set and stop being scared.
Kesa...LOL!
I took them off, I was surprised to be honest as I knew that it would backfire incredibly and also what a missed opportunity, pubblicity wise, hundreds of people are going to watch the video, thousands maybe the photos...anyway...I took them off and edited everything, it only took a few hours, getting better with Paint :) and would do the same if Hyperion, ACube or AROS asked me. CUSA obviously doesn't need free pubblicity...oh wait...The case comes blank...LOL!
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Thats awesome. Good for you getting lots of free publicity for your project because of those retards. Lets hope they crawl back under their rock and leave the real people keeping amiga alive alone.
I love how they say they are the little guy, after claiming to have a 30 million dollar ad budget, and claiming to have chinese manufacturing plants. I agree with you, exposing a bold faced lie is not a public attack. Its simply the truth.
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Gratulation again for your work :-) We need active members that build something
@BigBen
It was become known that Apple "doubted" the legality of some OpenSource products in a email, that created a "storm" in the web and I never heard anything about it. In the time of the internet informations and news spread in seconds across the whole world so it would be better not to make any "friendly" statements but to pm him and I am sure he would have removed it. By making this in the public you have made yourself to the "bad guys" in the community (if it was legal or not). And people dislike to buy from companies they regard as bad. That is the case with Apple that has many "fans" and also a lot of people that would never buy a product from the company. The amiga-community consists of several thousands users and propably everyone now knows what has happened. So from a marketing point of view it was not a very wise decision, propably driven by emotions.
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May the man with the best case win! (glossy one) Geez turning into an epic thread I bet!
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My guess is TheDaddy has a much better chance of a return on his investment than the CUSA clownshow. More importantly, it's obvious he has the support of the community.
If I had any use for a desktop machine, I'd definitely be in for one of these cases.
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If I had any use for a desktop machine, I'd definitely be in for one of these cases.
If it came in black, I would have been tempted to get one as a new case for my Sam440ep. The PSU is getting flaky on the ITX case I have and I will need to get a new case for it in the next few months and after looking at TheDaddy's case, a black version would be tempting.
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Who was saying that? Nobody that I noticed.
Oh, go back and look for yourself, especially on AmigaWorld.net; *Many* people were utterly terrified of even the thought of someone else than Hyperion selling an Amiga like OS coupled with an Amiga branded computer, and expressed relief and appreciation when they learned of Hyperion's actions to prevent this. Several of those people are here now in this thread, equally upset when Commodore USA tries to protect their license in exactly the same way as Hyperion did, to such a degree that they launch, build up, and carefully maintain a 16 page/233+ posts *hate thread* because of this! It's easy to spot who they are! Double standards in the land of Hypocrisy! It's not even a real issue, nothing has been sold for real, and no law suit has taken place. Geez... :rolleyes:
Is drawing a Commodore logo on an Etch-a-Sketch trademark infringement? Is doodling it in sidewalk chalk trademark infringement?
If you use pictures of this to showcase/market your product, then Yes Absolutely, in exactly the same way it would be an infringement if you used images of a sidewalk chalk drawing that pictures a Nike logotype to market clothes or shoes!
People don't like companies that step on the small people.
So if I come up with the bright idea of producing a refreshing Cola Beverage called "Coca Coola" (an extra "o") and mimic the Coca Cola red/white logotype in my presentation/marketing of this, I would have the right to do so as long as I'm a "small people"? That's utter *bullsh!t*, laws apply to everyone, big as small! If I had done that, I would have deserved every *friendly(!!) letter*, asking me refrain from doing this, that I would get! Is this *really* so difficult to understand?
But TheDaddy isn't selling a computer, he's selling a case. An unbranded case. He's made it quite clear that what stickers you put on it are up to the buyer.
If I as a new "Coca Coola" producer would use suggestive pictures of my "Coca Coola" logotyped product to spread the news about it to the world prior to putting it up for sale, building up interest thanks to this, only to then say "I won't ship those labels myself, it's up to the users to put those on themselves", do you *really* think this is OK?
I'm simply baffled by the double standards you people are showing here.
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We should not start a "Hyperion bashing" here. Generally speaking using laws to restrict competition is mostly not very well seen by many people and "Amiga" is still sth. very emotional for most here. In this case here it is "big" versus "small" or (more propably) "small" versus "very small". CUSA should have managed it better more discretely to avoid a thread like this.
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My guess is TheDaddy has a much better chance of a return on his investment than the CUSA clownshow.
Oh really? Well, you are *obviously* right; "TheDaddy" has spent, was it seven years? to craft himself some kind of case out of bent sheet metal. I'm sure he had fun doing it, but that's all there is to it! And look at what Commodore did during just the last few years, you may not like them, but you are a *fool* if you try to deny them the fact that they *did* get the rights to use the Commodore brand, they *did* get the rights to use the Amiga brand. They *did* put the C64x to the market! They have shown they have the financial means, the corporate infrastructure, the marketing, the knowledge, they have *the lot* to get uniquely designed, real, tangible, manufactured and branded products out of the door! What has "TheDaddy" shown? Well, that he has access to sheet metal, a jig saw, paint, seven years, and some dream of selling something using the Amiga brand without having the rights to do so. I don't know what it's worth, but I don't see him listed as partner on Disneys Tron webpage (http://disney.go.com/tron/index_flash.html#/partners)? Maybe you have some kind of inability to spot all these differencies, but I don't. So I definitely have a different view on which of those two "clown shows" that has the better chance of a return on investments, and it *won't* be the clown show creating endless threads like this, using his "case" as ammo in their *spamming* of Amiga boards with *Endless Commodore Hatred*! That simply won't bring *anything* positive in return, nothing at all!
This whole thread (and all the other CUSA Hate Threads as well) is just SPAM!
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We should not start a "Hyperion bashing" here.
No, let's bash Commodore USA in a 16 page long hate thread for doing exactly the same thing!
CUSA should have managed it better more discretely to avoid a thread like this.
Well, how about writing a friendly message where they are expressing their concerns of a potential problem, and asking the receiver not to infringe on their license?
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Well I see TMHG has been bought and paid for.
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And look at what Commodore did during just the last few years, you may not like them, but you are a *fool* if you try to deny them the fact that they *did* get the rights to use the Commodore brand, they *did* get the rights to use the Amiga brand. They *did* put the C64x to the market!
No, that did happen. It just wasn't particularly impressive for the amount of noise that was made.
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@take...
I already wrote they could have send him a message or email with the same content and when he not reacts they would have had every right to make it public. That would have avoided the public bashing...
I am a little astonished about what you write. I have every respect for any person who invests his/her time (and money) for a project to bring sth. usefully and wanted to the community. CUSA has invested to gather the license that is OK. But that is not a "big effort" in my view. They assemble standard pcs, that does every small computer-company here (nothing special). They have adapted a linux-distribution. Nice but really nothing new. I have a notebook running kubuntu, they use Mint. So what?
They got some attention because of the brand name. As long as they have nothing innovative that justifies the price, the brand name will more or less useless for them. They made some actions to be in talk in the amiga-community, this certainly was the worst one...
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Well I see TMHG has been bought and paid for.
I'm completely indifferent to Commodore USA, none of their products, none of their trademarks means anything at all to me! I couldn't care *less* about them, that's why I never participate (on any side) in your endless hate campaign threads about them!
But I'm *allergic* to Hypocrisy and Double Standards, and I have a limit on how much spam I can take, and You Darrin, is probably the biggest Hypocrite and CUSA spammer this site has seen in a very long time, with an endless hunger for creating more CUSA spam! Most people feel kind of fed up with all this CUSA drivel, and since it is *YOU* are starting, building up, and maintaining most of these threads that constantly seems to be on the front page, I must ask the question who is paying *you*? Hyperion? One thing is for sure, you are *far* from "indifferent" in this matter, you are clearly on a quest, but it's a shame you had to drag "TheDaddy" down in your muddy waters by trying to make some kind of case (pun intended) out of it, that simply wasn't there in the first place!
Can't you *pleeeaase* run off and create some "I-Hate-CUSA.com" forum, and spare us on the Amiga boards from your pointless, *endless* CUSA spam?
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Well I see TMHG has been bought and paid for.
No he just frustrated, in his perfect little fantasy world this thread would all be about Hyperion.
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Oh well I think we are half way there to beating the CUSA interview thread that had 38 pages.. :-/
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We will beat it easily ... :-)
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This has never been announced at Amiga Inc OR C=USA website
as official news, just rumored at forums. Without documents no faith in liars.
Barry announced it. If you're expecting Bill M. to confirm, you'll have quite a wait.
On Dec 22, 2011 Commodore USA, LLC and Amiga Inc. signed a new contract granting us EXCLUSIVE WORLDWIDE rights to ALL format computers branded with the Amiga trademark IP.
source (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/2-welcome-mat/11285-some-more-good-news-to-end-2011?lang=en#11285)
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They have the right to act like they did. If it is helpful to win the hearts (and the money bag :-) ) of the people in the community is another question...
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Well I see TMHG has been bought and paid for.
I see Darrin has been bought and paid for. You can tell by his deletion of Jorkany's posts on awn. ;)
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I see Darrin has been bought and paid for. You can tell by his deletion of Jorkany's posts on awn. ;)
Tell me that ain't so!
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I see Darrin has been bought and paid for. You can tell by his deletion of Jorkany's posts on awn. ;)
If you want to discuss the moderation of the post on AWN then do it there. I think you'll discover that the reason for the deletion is not what you think. ;)
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Tell me that ain't so!
You're strangely quiet.
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No, that did happen. It just wasn't particularly impressive for the amount of noise that was made.
The noisemakers (read: *SPAMMERS*) comes down to some 5 people, and CUSA aren't one of them.
I already wrote they could have send him a message or email with the same content and when he not reacts they would have had every right to make it public.
Nothing, N-O-T-H-I-N-G in those two sentences "An image has been presented to me of this unit featuring AMIGA branding. This is a friendly request to remove that from your advertising" warranted yet another (now 17 pages, and obviously still growing) hate thread, with "Amiga Case Designer Faces Intimidation" war headlines! There was never any issue, it's all Darrin's work!
That would have avoided the public bashing...
No it wouldn't, that's my point! There will be CUSA spamming as long as Darrin and his kind is posting here! :rolleyes:
I am a little astonished about what you write. I have every respect for any person who invests his/her time (and money) for a project to bring sth. usefully and wanted to the community.
But come on. I don't want to belittle his little case/mod, but what's so frekkin' astonishing about it? Who hasn't done anything like that? I have made a few cases myself in various materials, not always good (made one in wood that actually was kind of nice), but I'm not going on about it for *years*, creating thread after thread about it, making polls about "what should it be called", etc! It's not a product, it has been a 7 year hobby for him, but it's *not* a concern of a whole community! We have spent weeks discussing its name. We have spent weeks discussing its color and surface finish. And now it seems we will spend weeks discussing where he should put his LED holes. Gaah! And now it's purpose seem to be ammo in some people's pointless CUSA war... :rolleyes:
CUSA has invested to gather the license that is OK. But that is not a "big effort" in my view.
Hehe, where were you during the last decade, when countless of efforts of getting a proper Amiga license failed one after another, and where people could only dream about the Commodore brand? I'd say that bringing those two together is a little bit more than "OK" and a small effort. Many failed.
But as I said, I couldn't care less about any of those brands. But that doesn't mean I think it's OK to belittle this, *especially* not in the same sentence where you praise "TheDaddy's" case as being the next big thing for the Amiga community!
They assemble standard pcs, that does every small computer-company here (nothing special).
Now that's interesting. *Exactly what* is "standard" about the C64x case? It's a really unique thing, properly designed and manufactured, coudln't be more custom made, and not anywhere near something made from bent sheet metal. And making a design isn't the same thing as putting something to the market. A huge amount of resources is needed, so is good management, marketing, etc.
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@ TMHG
You have a nerve. Never mind, I don't expect rational posts from you. You're just trolling for effect, as usual.
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"Now that's interesting. *Exactly what* is "standard" about the C64x case? It's a really unique thing, properly designed and manufactured, coudln't be more custom made, and not anywhere near something made from bent sheet metal. And making a design isn't the same thing as putting something to the market. A huge amount of resources is needed, so is good management, marketing, etc."
Then I can send you some links to the tests and reactions that were (mostly) not very excited... but that is not my problem, I am not interested in and will not buy it.
The starting point of all threads was the public "friendly" message. Without it this thread (and others) would not have started. I critisize the way they handled it, you are obvious of a different opinion.
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The noisemakers (read: *SPAMMERS*) comes down to some 5 people, and CUSA aren't one of them.
Take a look down at your keyboard. See how the keys are looking all shiny and worn? That's a sign you may have tl;dritis. It is not known yet whether or not this disease is terminal, but a new keyboard can help mask the symptoms.
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You have a nerve. Never mind, I don't expect rational posts from you. You're just trolling for effect, as usual.
Oh, these 17 pages isn't me "trolling", it's the result of YOU CUSA-SPAMMING! *YOU* are the troll here, *YOU* are trying desperately to yet again create a problem where there is none, as most people would see, if they only would care enough to wade through 17 pages of your pointless bickering, which I'm sure not many does...
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@ TMHG
You have a nerve. Never mind, I don't expect rational posts from you. You're just trolling for effect, as usual.
This whole thread is a troll effort and it was authored by you. Go figure.
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Oh, these 17 pages isn't me "trolling", it's the result of YOU CUSA-SPAMMING! *YOU* are the troll here, *YOU* are trying desperately to yet again create a problem where there is none, as most people would see, if they only would care enough to wade through 17 pages of your pointless bickering, which I'm sure not many does...
:mad:
God you're funny, Time for your meds. :D
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Oh, these 17 pages isn't me "trolling", it's the result of YOU CUSA-SPAMMING! *YOU* are the troll here, *YOU* are trying desperately to yet again create a problem where there is none, as most people would see, if they only would care enough to wade through 17 pages of your pointless bickering, which I'm sure not many does...
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It's about Darrin's vendetta against C=USA. Pure and simple and there is no other reason to start this thread on AO, other then to troll.
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This whole thread is a troll effort and it was authored by you. Go figure.
I think you'll find it was started by Leo's actions and 99.9% of of C-USA's bad PR comes down to you and Barry.
Still, feel free to shoot the messenger.
At least I don't go onto C-USA's website to troll.
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It is not known yet whether or not this disease is terminal[/u],
Was that a computer joke? ;) :D
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@Dammy
The information about this has spread all over all amiga-sites (not only amiga.org) and has done a lot of "marketing" damage to CUSA. And not just by Darrin. It is a small community, a couple of sites and a couple of thousand users so it is better to work together (if possible), and react after you think about it and not reacting emotionally. It was legal but not helpful...
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Take a look down at your keyboard. See how the keys are looking all shiny and worn? That's a sign you may have tl;dritis. It is not known yet whether or not this disease is terminal, but a new keyboard can help mask the symptoms.
If you think a post is too long, then don't read it. If the subject doesn't interest you, don't read it. If you don't agree with something, either reply, or let it pass. I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to discuss things on a freakin' discussion board, it's just that it's getting a bit too much when the people complaining the most about CUSA-threads are the ones who constantly fires them up, and when some people applauds a certain kind of behavior when it comes from Hyperion but feels the need to start WW3 when someone else does exactly the same thing, and when people thinks it's OK (or a good thing even) when some parties infringes on trademarks all they want, but can't stand it when someone else has paid for a *valid license* to actually use it in the *legal* way that the others can't. Spamming. Double standards. Hypocrisy.
But I can see where this is going now, I see it in your quoted post here already; soon everything will be *my* fault, *I* am the one "trolling", etc, as usual...
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It's about Darrin's vendetta against C=USA. Pure and simple and there is no other reason to start this thread on AO, other then to troll.
I think this is totally clear to everyone with even the slightest hint of a brain inside their cranium...
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If it came in black, I would have been tempted to get one as a new case for my Sam440ep. The PSU is getting flaky on the ITX case I have and I will need to get a new case for it in the next few months and after looking at TheDaddy's case, a black version would be tempting.
A black version will be available.
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There's so much childish bickering in the "Amiga" community, coming from ALL sides, it's not even funny. I feel like the vocal community is made up of a bunch of pretentious, spoiled, cheap, and immature brats who have nothing better to do with their lives than find soemthing to bicker about.
Let me tell you, it's a huge turn-off to any old school Amiga users who might pop in because they're interested in what the community is like today, or anyone at all who might be interested.
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there is a lot of emotions (hate) between the different camps and that will be difficult to overcome...
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I think you'll find it was started by Leo's actions and 99.9% of of C-USA's bad PR comes down to you and Barry.
It was two short sentences, in a friendly tone, asking "TheDaddy" to not market his "product" using CUSA's licensed trade mark. Nothing more, nothing less. There never was any real problem. All this crap comes from *YOU* Darrin, *YOU* and nobody else!
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I think the thread should be wrapped up with TheDaddy finishing it off perfecting by stating the case will be available in black.
After all TheDaddy isn't gunna use stickers or advertising logos here or there.. so solution already place and nothing much to talk about except I like or I dont like CUSA, Hyperion, Amiga Inc, or my high school english teacher!
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I think this is totally clear to everyone with even the slightest hint of a brain inside their cranium...
It is, that's why we're laughing at you.
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It was two short sentences, in a friendly tone, asking "TheDaddy" to not market his "product" using CUSA's licensed trade mark. Nothing more, nothing less. There never was any real problem. All this crap comes from *YOU* Darrin, *YOU* and nobody else!
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LOL. You're funny.
Feeble effort of directing attention away from what happened though. "1 out of 10: Must try harder". :D
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It is, that's why we're laughing at you.
You are a fool to even try to deny something that's completely open and in the clear for *everyone* to see, and something that you even put there yourself!
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It was two short sentences, in a friendly tone, asking "TheDaddy" to not market his "product" using CUSA's licensed trade mark. Nothing more, nothing less. There never was any real problem. All this crap comes from *YOU* Darrin, *YOU* and nobody else!
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I don't agree. The reason is here: "to not market the product using CUSA's licensed trade mark!" They knew I was NEVER going to do that and even Leo said it was a revenge thing.
If you fail to see that then...
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You are a fool to even try to deny something that's completely open and in the clear for *everyone* to see, and something that you even put there yourself!
I've got nothing to deny. You're the one posting with delusions.
Time for your Prozac? LOL
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I don't agree. The reason is here: "to not market the product using CUSA's licensed trade mark!" They knew I was NEVER going to do that and even Leo said it was a revenge thing.
If you fail to see that then...
He doesn't fail to see it. He's trolling. He loves to start rubbish and obviously this thread gives him a chance. Same old TMHG. Just humour him and don't take the bait. :D
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C=USA not only produces computers like a small computer shop, they also act like one. The Barron laughingly compares C=USA to Apple. Hah, Apple was a classier company when they were operating out of Steve's garage.....
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At least I don't go onto C-USA's website to troll.
No, you come to AO to troll since you can't do it on AWN and get away with it.
Your the author of this trolling thread, man up to it.
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They knew I was NEVER going to do that
Here is the thing: You *were doing it*! Maybe you weren't really aware of it yourself (so maybe it wasn't intentional), and maybe it's not entirely correct to speak about "marketing" when it comes to a *none-product*, but you *did* post infringing photos in your attempt to spread information (read: market) your "thing", there *was* a valid call for that notice, and you did deserve *every little bit* of those two polite one-liners you got in a forum! :lol:
This fuss you created out of it is totally out of line though!
I am *evidently* not the only one tired of this endless, cross board CUSA spamming!
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When you are tired about it why are you "firing" it then?
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No, you come to AO to troll since you can't do it on AWN and get away with it.
Your the author of this trolling thread, man up to it.
My name is on it and it is an information thread. You're a troll who has spread lies over and over. Admit it. "Man up to it" :D
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He doesn't fail to see it. He's trolling. He loves to start rubbish and obviously this thread gives him a chance. Same old TMHG. Just humour him and don't take the bait. :D
How anyone could be mad enough to appoint you as a *moderator* on *any* board (yes, even AmigaWorld.net) is a great mystery...
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How anyone could be mad enough to appoint you as a *moderator* on *any* board (yes, even AmigaWorld.net) is a great mystery...
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Apparently they voted me in.
Your disapproval amuses me. :D
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I don't agree. The reason is here: "to not market the product using CUSA's licensed trade mark!" They knew I was NEVER going to do that and even Leo said it was a revenge thing.
If you fail to see that then...
No, for him to post it on the forums was payback, else he would have done it via email/pm for anyone else violating the IP.
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Here is the thing: You *were doing it*! Maybe you weren't really aware of it yourself (so maybe it wasn't intentional), and maybe it's not entirely correct to speak about "marketing" when it comes to a *none-product*, but you *did* post infringing photos in your attempt to spread information (read: market) your "thing", there *was* a valid call for that notice, and you did deserve *every little bit* of those two polite one-liners you got in a forum! :lol:
This fuss you created out of it is totally out of line though!
I am *evidently* not the only one tired of this endless, cross board CUSA spamming!
What is with the asterisks man?
Anyway...even if "my thing" did anything you usually send a PM not post it on a public forum but what you FAIL to see is that Leo even SAID IT it was revenge for the fake photos I found...nothing more, nothing less.
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No, for him to post it on the forums was payback, else he would have done it via email/pm for anyone else violating the IP.
See TMHGM? Even Dammy says it.
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How anyone could be mad enough to appoint you as a *moderator* on *any* board (yes, even AmigaWorld.net) is a great mystery...
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By voting him as a moderator, it limited his trolling on AWN. So there was a reason for people to vote him as a moderator.
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Dammy and TMHG lecturing about trolling, now I've seen it all. Might as well trot the ghost of Hitler out in a pair of bunny slippers to lecture us about racial tolerance. The irony is so high around here. :roflmao:
The first guy being a guy that would just as soon see A.org be renamed
"cusaistheonlyamiga.really.com, the latter being a guy that can derail a thread about prices of tea in China into a MOS vs. OS4 war.
Beyond funny. If you hadn't noticed, the majority of people here are not denying it was in C-USA's interests to do what they did - the sticking point was the extremely unprofessional and public way they did it. I've said it before, I'll say it again - I just wish they would go away entirely from A.org.
If I'm in the market for a Linux PC, I know where to find them.
But maybe I'm missing something. Maybe this is the new 2.0 way of running a business, but I don't recall seeing Jobs or Gates on hobby forums sites whining and making threats about their likenesses being used (which was not ever the case in TheDaddy's story, he was more than clear the item would *NOT* come branded as shown).
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No, for him to post it on the forums was payback, else he would have done it via email/pm for anyone else violating the IP.
:roflmao:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Yeah, or come with a formal threat of law-suit (I can imagine the letter that Hyperion sent to Commodore), or maybe even filing a law-suit for real! But making a polite request in a web forum, that is just sheer evil, payback from the dark forces, etc to stop "the good ones".
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Yes it was "payback". But when you are in the business world you have to look at what you do. And products are not only the product itself, it is also image/view of the (potential) customers. So instead of admitting that it was propably the false way to reach the goal here (by CUSA) it seem some are concentrating on the creator of the thread (and his views regarding Hyperion in the past).
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Can someone lock and/or delete this thread?
It was a petty way of requesting TheDaddy not to use the Amiga trademark and we shouldn't be advocating or defending pettiness by anyone in the community.
I've read through 3 entire threads of brainaching stupidity and it's immensely frustrating to see TheDaddy's work being sidelined by personal vendetta's and derailed by opportunists sniping comments.
TheDaddy has made computer case, some people will like it, some people won't. He's NOT going to be selling it with a logo and *if* anyone who does own the Amiga trademark (which C-USA don't) does complain then they should probably learn from this whirlwind of poop that it's probably better to do it via an email or PM.
About the only good thing to come out of all this is that everyone agrees that C-USA don't own the trademark which anyone could have checked previously anyway!
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See TMHGM? Even Dammy says it.
:-)
I bet that will be the last time Leo does so publicly. Erika should have been the one to directly communicated with you about your violation of IP.
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I bet that will be the last time Leo does so publicly. Erika should have been the one to directly communicated with you about your violation of IP.
Is she the secretary?
I think you'll probably find she prefers you to call her "miss Erika".
I bet the The Daddy's lawyer would have preferred an "official harassment letter". :)
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Some how I get the feeling Im witnessing the slow destruction of the Amiga community here :-/
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Who is Erika? ...
Sometimes I think you talk to a concrete wall...
Nobody denied that they had the right to make the request, and they even could do it in public legally. But they should have known it that this would not create sympathy in the community. If they had sent the same text with pm/email to thedadddy he certainly would have removed all signs of "amiga". Nobody here is interested to be involved in legal actions just because of a hobby.
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community makes the impression of unity and that does not exist for a long time...
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It was a petty way of requesting TheDaddy not to use the Amiga trademark and we shouldn't be advocating or defending pettiness by anyone in the community.
Yes, a better and kinder way would obviously be to send the pitbull lawyers without prior warning, and let them have their go. People wouldn't complain on forums if *that* happened!
:lol:
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community makes the impression of unity and that does not exist for a long time...
Actually, I think there really is a community, and quite a strong one at that.
The problem is that they tend to get on with being a community rather than spending all their time screaming and shouting about whose OS is better than whose, whose CPU is faster than whose, whose Dad could beat up whose Dad. That leaves all the noise to come from people who seem intent on re-starting the old Red vs. Blue wars of 6 years ago or whatever, so it seems much worse than it is.
As usual it's the minority that are the vocal ones, most people on this site are united by the fact that we all love Amigas - and there is still a community there, if you can seperate the wheat from the (very vocal) chaff.
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This reminds me of "Billsey" in his "glory days", when he was reading his webserver visitor logs searching for suspicious patterns and "thinking" he saw Bill Buck on the parking lot outside of his local super market, and came to the conclusion that "they were after him" (for being christian or whatever, since Bill Buck obviously was the Antichrist). Anyone remembers that? :lol:
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:roflmao:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Yeah, or come with a formal threat of law-suit (I can imagine the letter that Hyperion sent to Commodore)
Once again, that is -not- how it works.
It is Amiga Inc.'s job to play the role of referee here. Hyperion did not write a complaint to CUSA.
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Yes, a better and kinder way would obviously be to send the pitbull lawyers without prior warning, and let them have their go. People wouldn't complain on forums if *that* happened!
:lol:
Dude the correct way is always the discreet way, first you email/PM you try to contact without involving - just for example - the entire internet Amiga community :(
Because when you do not take the discreet route you are yourself doing harm to anothers image and reputation by making out that what might have been an honest mistake was willful and intentional.
That harm is legally a real thing that can itself be illegal. You aren't meant to go around potentially libelling people - and "blueyonder.co.uk" is UK hosted and we do have some of the worst libel laws in the world btw - as your first course of action.
It's just not a sensible thing to do, especially when you don't even hold the Trademark in that country: http://www.ipo.gov.uk/t-find-adp?propnum=0896292001.
So yes, the right thing to do, if the Trademark owner was interested in this matter at all, would be to have engaged the lawyers to politely send a letter. It's not threatening, it's a request and it's the proper route.
It can be scary to receive one from a lawyer but it's the correct, and discreet, route.
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Who is Erika? ...
She seems to be the family lawyer, daughter are someone.
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Corporate.aspx
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thank you...
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She seems to be the family lawyer, daughter are someone.
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Corporate.aspx
Again we see the budget of C-USA. Barry gets his daughter in New York to send nasty letters out for free in the hope that the person receiving them won't pay for a lawyer to file a harassment suit back.
It is unfortnately part of the "ambulance chasing" culture in the USA at the moment where "free" lawyers send out a constant stream of letters in the hope that someone settles out of court and they get to keep 60%.
At least I keep a lawyer on a retainer.
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Dammy and TMHG lecturing about trolling, now I've seen it all. Might as well trot the ghost of Hitler out in a pair of bunny slippers to lecture us about racial tolerance. The irony is so high around here. :roflmao:
The first guy being a guy that would just as soon see A.org be renamed
"cusaistheonlyamiga.really.com, the latter being a guy that can derail a thread about prices of tea in China into a MOS vs. OS4 war.
ROTFLMAO!.... so true :roflmao:
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According to the United States Patent and Trademark Office, the Amiga trademark was abandoned as of September 19, 2011.
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Really... ? Then it is not registered anymore? That means they have licensed a trademark that not exists anymore?
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Which - if true - would mean that either Barry paid a lot for something that is worth $0.00, or else he actually didn't pay anything for it at all and wanted to make it seem like he did so he could tell everyone about how great he was for "uniting the Commodore and Amiga brands".
Interesting.
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Also when I first announced that I was working on an A500-style case you emailed me saying that you were interested. I nearly fell for it.
Then the behaviour coming from you, CUSA and Barry made me change my mind. Something didn't add up.
Oh, this I didn't know. The added element of sour-grapes on their part explains things even further.
Oh, go back and look for yourself, especially on AmigaWorld.net; *Many* people were utterly terrified of even the thought of someone else than Hyperion selling an Amiga like OS coupled with an Amiga branded computer, and expressed relief and appreciation when they learned of Hyperion's actions to prevent this.
I'm simply baffled by the double standards you people are showing here.
Hmm, maybe so then. In any case, I am not beholden to Hyperion, and I maintain the same opinion: this was petty revenge on the part of a company whose CEO has acted like a spoiled child from day one, and the only sad surprise here is that his relatively more sane underling has joined him in rude, counterproductive bullying of people the community actually cares about.
Oh really? Well, you are *obviously* right; "TheDaddy" has spent, was it seven years? to craft himself some kind of case out of bent sheet metal. I'm sure he had fun doing it, but that's all there is to it! And look at what Commodore did during just the last few years, you may not like them, but you are a *fool* if you try to deny them the fact that they *did* get the rights to use the Commodore brand, they *did* get the rights to use the Amiga brand. They *did* put the C64x to the market!
Yes, yes, they did pay for reproduction C64 cases and put generic sub-par PCs in them and charge a lot of markup for them! An accomplishment indeed! Clearly more worthy of the community's devotion than a guy making things people really want, not jerking anybody around with made-up claims of hundreds of thousands of units in Wal-Marts around the country, and planning to charge a fair price for them!
They have shown they have the financial means, the corporate infrastructure, the marketing, the knowledge, they have *the lot* to get uniquely designed, real, tangible, manufactured and branded products out of the door!
"The financial means" = "they have money." Big whoop, Trevor Dick has money too, and he made something comparatively expensive to the CUSA "Amiga" but much more interesting.
"The corporate infrastructure" = what, now? They paid to have a rapid-prototyping service roll a batch of cases, bought boards in mass quantities, and either paid someone to have them assembled or build them in their strip-mall office. Anybody with the money can do that.
"The marketing" is just laughable. Their marketing consisted of paying Disney for an ad spot nobody cared about, ballyhooing themselves to a handful of tech sites who gave their machines the dismissal they deserved, and spending two years persistently and thoroughly alienating the entire community that might have been interested in their products in the first place. Yeah, that's advertising expertise.
And yeah, they made some actual products. Big whoop; if the products are significantly-to-ludicrously overpriced generic PC clones in moderately-to-barely custom cases, who gives a damn? It's wasted effort in the best of cases. You might as well exalt a hobo for knowing where to get the best cheap bourbon.
It was two short sentences, in a friendly tone, asking "TheDaddy" to not market his "product" using CUSA's licensed trade mark. Nothing more, nothing less.
Yeah, it was "friendly" in the same sense a mobster coming in and saying "nice shop you got here, be a shame if something happened to it" is "friendly." Leo's own admission that this was an act of petty revenge doesn't exactly make it sound any more legitimately good-natured, either.
According to the United States Patent and Trademark Office, the Amiga trademark was abandoned as of September 19, 2011.
Well, someone hurry up and re-register it, then!
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this are the two:
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4009:agk490.2.9
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4009:agk490.2.9
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"This search session has expired. " those links say.
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then you must search manually:
http://www.uspto.gov/
then Trademarks->basic search with the phrase amiga
in the list look at the two above "amiga forever"
here is a document in aminet:
http://aminet.net/package/docs/misc/Amiga-Trademarks
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Wow what are the amiga grave robbers going to do now? Looks like ANYONE can use the amiga name and lettering for any purpose now.
Slap those amiga stickers back on your case... and LAUGH at cUsA!
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If that's correct then we can do what the heck we want with the "AMIGA" logo and there's absolutely nothing C=USA can do about it. That includes sticking it on AIO PCs or Sinclair ZX81s.
So what did Amiga Inc. license to C=USA? Or did they actually not license anything? According to that look-up, Amiga Inc. were the owners, but it's now abandoned and dead. Which means Amiga Inc. can't have licensed it to Barry or anyone else.
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I am no trademark (USA) expert but I found the "C Commodore" trademark (active) and the Amiga trademarks abandoned. So it seems (at least for USA) that they have lost the trademarks. But perhaps here are other specialists who have better knowledge.
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If that's correct then we can do what the heck we want with the "AMIGA" logo and there's absolutely nothing C=USA can do about it. That includes sticking it on AIO PCs or Sinclair ZX81s.
So what did Amiga Inc. license to C=USA? Or did they actually not license anything? According to that look-up, Amiga Inc. were the owners, but it's now abandoned and dead. Which means Amiga Inc. can't have licensed it to Barry or anyone else.
That is quite confusing. At the start of all of this I thought C-USA had the rights to use Workbench, Kickstart and the Logo. Once they started talking about a partnership with Cloanto and then just ripping Cloanto's ROMs yourself it appears they only have a license to "the name". From the links posted above, they may have licensed "the name" from someone who didn't have it to license (or perhaps he had it at the time, but no longer).
This whole thing is a damn circus. Anyone remember when we thought Gateway would be our saviour? :(
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And the thread takes an interesting turn...
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What the feck?!
Is this a joke?
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I bet Franko buys them.
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Maybe they licensed this one.
(http://www.trademarkia.com/logo-images/moving-expressions-llc/amiga-ask-me-if-i-give-a****-77410736.jpg)
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@thread
Registering trademarks is optional.
...I'll let cgutjahr explain this.
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But you know what this REALLY means...
What's most important of all....
It means....
.... we all need to go out and get more popcorn.
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(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Rc8k_D3yYoE/Tw4IyOKMysI/AAAAAAAAAls/awgasVzJMfA/s1600/Stephen-Colbert-Popcorn.gif)
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@thread
Registering trademarks is optional.
...I'll let cgutjahr explain this.
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The trademark was registered and subsequently abandoned. Big difference between an un-registered trademark and one that registered and abandoned.
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Franko over at amigaworld.net
"I was kinda hoping that no one would have made that public on the forums as I've been waiting since last September for "someone" to try and officially issue a Cease & Desist or warning not to use the Amiga trademark which became "dead" on the 19th of September 2011...
Oh well, the cats out of the bag now but I'm surprised Barry didn't want to pay the fees to re-register it as he knew the Trademark was dead as I had mentioned it to him)...
So now that everyone knows it's dead then I don't suppose you'll be receiving any legal correspondence from CUSA now {even they wouldn't be daft enough to try that, would they !!!)...
Been thinking about registering it myself since last year and basically licensing it for a fee of penny to people in the community to use for their projects (that way it would end all this BS by CUSA), perhaps it's time I did so as Barry obviously has no intentions of paying the fee...
I need to decide if it's worth the fees just to finally put an end to all this BS once and for all, what do you think... "
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I was about to close this thread but now I am gunna get a big bucket and fill'er up!
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Rc8k_D3yYoE/Tw4IyOKMysI/AAAAAAAAAls/awgasVzJMfA/s1600/Stephen-Colbert-Popcorn.gif)
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I assume the Amiga branded tablets were Amiga Inc's attempt to show that the trademark is still active.
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Franko over at amigaworld.net
"I was kinda hoping that no one would have made that public on the forums as I've been waiting since last September for "someone" to try and officially issue a Cease & Desist or warning not to use the Amiga trademark which became "dead" on the 19th of September 2011...
Oh well, the cats out of the bag now but I'm surprised Barry didn't want to pay the fees to re-register it as he knew the Trademark was dead as I had mentioned it to him)...
So now that everyone knows it's dead then I don't suppose you'll be receiving any legal correspondence from CUSA now {even they wouldn't be daft enough to try that, would they !!!)...
Been thinking about registering it myself since last year and basically licensing it for a fee of penny to people in the community to use for their projects (that way it would end all this BS by CUSA), perhaps it's time I did so as Barry obviously has no intentions of paying the fee...
I need to decide if it's worth the fees just to finally put an end to all this BS once and for all, what do you think... "
Well this got interesting lol. Hell I would buy a license off him, print hundreds of stickers and paste my house in them.
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According to the United States Patent and Trademark Office, the Amiga trademark was abandoned as of September 19, 2011.
you should look up Amigaone and AmigaOS... ;)
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http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=35607&forum=33&start=140&viewmode=flat&order=0
LOL! Franko is getting them... :)
Commodore Scotland Amiga!
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Serious question, and I don't mean this is anyway threateningly....
.. but if Leo knew that C=USA didn't own the trademark, isn't what he did illegal?
Worst of all, because of his disclaimer in his signature that he doesn't represent C=USA, doesn't that make him personally liable? Surely it's illegal to go around brow-beating people who want to use an expired trademark that you don't own anyway?
Edit: just to be clear, I'm not suggesting that anybody go and sue anybody else, far from it. I just want to know if this behaviour is actually illegal or not.
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Actually.....He made me spend a whole day editing the video and photos... :(
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Actually.....He made me spend a whole day editing the video and photos... :(
Send him a bill. ;)
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As the use of the trademarks is all CUSA really has (had?) they figured they'd play the big men and show off with their posturing as the rightful owners. Carrion birds.
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As someone on AW.net has just pointed out, the trademark is only dead for software.
So just to be clear, the Amiga trademark IS still valid.
And you know what it's valid for?
(From the patents office)
"COMPUTERS, COMPUTER DISK DRIVES, RAM EXPANSION CARTRIDGES, COMPUTER MONITORS, AND COMPUTER MODEMS"
Strikes me that TheDaddy's case does *not* fall under any of the above. A case is not a computer, a disk drive, a RAM expansion, a monitor nor a modem.
In other words, he can call his case "an Amiga" in whatever style or font he wants. He can even use the logo with the red square if he wants, because that one has expired.
So there - C=USA licensed the rights to make Amiga computers, but NOT cases.
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Sell a floppy disk or CD with some little "hello world" program and use the case as packaging.
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Don't even need to do that. If they'd done like Asus (for example) did and license it for "G & S: parts for computers." it'd be different. But they were specific and they excluded computer cases.
The case can be called "Amiga". Just don't put a motherboard in it because then they would have grounds.
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As someone on AW.net has just pointed out, the trademark is only dead for software.
So just to be clear, the Amiga trademark IS still valid.
And you know what it's valid for?
(From the patents office)
"COMPUTERS, COMPUTER DISK DRIVES, RAM EXPANSION CARTRIDGES, COMPUTER MONITORS, AND COMPUTER MODEMS"
Strikes me that TheDaddy's case does *not* fall under any of the above. A case is not a computer, a disk drive, a RAM expansion, a monitor nor a modem.
In other words, he can call his case "an Amiga" in whatever style or font he wants. He can even use the logo with the red square if he wants, because that one has expired.
So there - C=USA licensed the rights to make Amiga computers, but NOT cases.
That trademark is registered to AMIGA, INC. CORPORATION WASHINGTON, which has been bankrupt for many years and has released no products for over 5 years. It is abandoned, just nobody has bothered to do the paperwork.
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Still this thread going?. What a waste...
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Hmm.. BigBentheAussie is pretty unprofessional. Indicative of how CommodoreUSA is run?? So what does this BigBen do for CUSA, living in Australia? I thought CUSA is
in Florida.
Rich
ny
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Hmm.. BigBentheAussie is pretty unprofessional. Indicative of how CommodoreUSA is run?? So what does this BigBen do for CUSA, living in Australia? I thought CUSA is
in Florida.
BigBentheAussie is Leo Nigro - CTO of Commodore USA. Unsure how he does his job from across the world.
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Corporate.aspx
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BigBentheAussie is Leo Nigro - CTO of Commodore USA. Unsure how he does his job from across the world.
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Corporate.aspx
Mind its the top level IT professional in the company.
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@Darrin and the confused BAF's
Some of you guys are really incredible, do you know that?
It takes one to know one I guess. Only you could manage to turn this into an excuse to take a shot at anything you perceive as being associated in any way whatsoever, no matter how tenuously, to OS4.
A guy made a case for a wedge system. It could contain anything. A PC, a Rasberry Pi, minimig, Sam. You could probably fillet a PPC mac mini and get it in there, or an efika. He showed some pictures of it with some stickers resting on it and CUSA got a touch of butthurt over it.
I must have missed the part where this is became about BAFs.
Honestly, I think you should get help. You're obsessed :razz:
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@TheDaddy
Well I was going to just say ignore the poster who asked for the LEDs not to be blue.
I really like blue LEDs.
Now tempted to ask for the word Amiga, to be put on the case also ;)
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Well this is great news, not only will my Amiga cases look exactly like various Amiga models....they will also be labelled correctly by brand and model number in huge embossed Amiga logo.
Oh how I laugh muhahahahaha.
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Well I was going to just say ignore the poster who asked for the LEDs not to be blue.
I really like blue LEDs.
Blue LEDs are a blight and murder on the eyes of countless innocent electronics purchasers, and anyone who uses them will be purged when the revolution comes.
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Blue LEDs are a blight and murder on the eyes of countless innocent electronics purchasers, and anyone who uses them will be purged when the revolution comes.
When you heretics rise, you will stumble around blind with your inferior lighting.
The faithful of the blue LEDs will see you coming and shoot you down :)
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BigBentheAussie is Leo Nigro - CTO of Commodore USA. Unsure how he does his job from across the world.
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Corporate.aspx
Just wow, having the dog on the board of directors.
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When you heretics rise, you will stumble around blind with your inferior lighting.
The faithful of the blue LEDs will see you coming and shoot you down :)
Actually, it is us Blue Faithful who will be at a disadvantage. You see, the human eye can go from red light to near complete darkness without the need to adjust for the lighting. Blue light, however, depletes the chemicals in our retinas which are used to detect variances in lighting.
In the end, this becomes the classic "Red versus Blue" battle for our souls.
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What he did (trying to pass off a product as an officially licensed amiga computer) now constitutes fraud and misrepresentation of the product he's selling. It will be awesome to see him try and weasel his way out of this one.
for the rest of us... Rejoice. Now fpga amigas, aros amigas, amithlon amigas,os4 amigas and yes morphos amigas can now be branded as amigas without interference from the amiga grave robbers.
Maybe aros can change its name back to amiga research operating system without fear of the amiga grave robbers.
Maybe amithlon can now be branded amiga os x86. as it should have been.
Amiga is freed. **** the grave robbers. Your all ****ed now, and everyone knows it. Amiga is now free...
I hope clusteruk reboots imica computers as amiga AROS pc's.
I hope someone starts selling converted macs as morphos amiga workstations.
I hope broadway becomes amiga os x86 broadway.
I hope fpha arcade become amiga arcade...
I hope netami finally finish that stuff and sell the natami AMIGA.
I even hope os4 people just call their computers amigas instead of amigaones or some other bull**** to not piss off the amiga grave robbers.
Silly billy AND CUSA are dead now. **** silly billy.
Long live amiga... But **** all the amiga grave robbers...
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Just wow, having the dog on the board of directors.
It's CUSA's answer to Mitchie the dog don't ya know... If Jay Minor was still about I wonder which "Commodore" he'd have disliked most.
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Just wow, having the dog on the board of directors.
I dunno, he's got to be the most qualified person on the list...
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I dunno, he's got to be the most qualified person on the list...
:laughing::rofl::laugh1:
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Just wow, having the dog on the board of directors.
Actually having the dog on the board of directors is pretty Boss. :afro:
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Actually, it is us Blue Faithful who will be at a disadvantage. You see, the human eye can go from red light to near complete darkness without the need to adjust for the lighting. Blue light, however, depletes the chemicals in our retinas which are used to detect variances in lighting.
In the end, this becomes the classic "Red versus Blue" battle for our souls.
Well if it's gonna be a fight, I'll have to remember a They Live-type one-liner. "Hope your eyes can stand...the blue-light special!" *PUNCH*
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Go moochie!
As you can see CUSA DOES have talent!
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Oh God, is that backdrop intended to stab me in the eyes?
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Well if it's gonna be a fight, I'll have to remember a They Live-type one-liner. "Hope your eyes can stand...the blue-light special!" *PUNCH*
And I'm all out of bubble gum!
HA! Under-rated movie, IMNSHO.
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We're a small company trying to do the best we can with the IP we have
I really wish you wouldn't. It's embarrassing.
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Just wow, having the dog on the board of directors.
A nod to Jay Miner's dog on the list of staff at Hi-Toro?
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It's CUSA's answer to Mitchie the dog don't ya know... If Jay Minor was still about I wonder which "Commodore" he'd have disliked most.
Still be the A500 :)
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I dunno, having a dog play a role like Mitchie is in my opinion poor taste... Its just like trying to be something that your not.. The original certainly has big shoes to fill which is best left untouched.
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erm...it getsgetting better though as someone over at AW has suggested:
"Barry and his... erm... 'staff' (for lack of a better word) like to feel important. They probably haven't paid a single cent of licensing fees for the Commodore name (they didn't pay anything until December and they are renegotiating since then, IIRC) and they most certainly didn't pay for the Amiga license yet. They get all of this attention and the accompanying hard-on for free. Best way to make them feel miserable is to ignore them."
So it could well be that Amiga Inc. have given the name out on a "loan" basis...or haven't been paid anything yet...could this be the case?
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errrk does it really matter, the only way you will be able to find out is if you ask Amiga Inc yourself.. You could say your interested in licensing the name whatever to get your foot in the door..
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That would be interesting actually. Ask them if you can license the name "Amiga" for your computer, tell them that you heard someone had an exclusive license to ALL computers bearing the name Amiga, and see what they say... if they say you can have it for a price, then C=USA do not have an exclusive license.
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They probably only paid for Commodore logo but as the Amiga trademark is dead Amiga Inc are fukt now and couldn't have sold it.
The best they could have done to avoid problems would have been replica cases, but I suspect C64x didn't make much of a profit hence VIC Mini/Amiga Mini bolloks ;)
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They probably only paid for Commodore logo but as the Amiga trademark is dead Amiga Inc are fukt now and couldn't have sold it.
The best they could have done to avoid problems would have been replica cases, but I suspect C64x didn't make much of a profit hence VIC Mini/Amiga Mini bolloks ;)
That's exactly what they can't do though.
The Amiga trademark is only dead for software. For hardware it's still alive, but not for cases. However, the trade-mark does cover disk drives.
I suspect this is why all the C=USA "bare bones" systems all come with blu-ray drives built-in. This way they can claim it's a disk drive, as they don't have the license to produce a case.
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They probably only paid for Commodore logo
No, they didn't. They had licensed the Commodore logo from Asiarim, who explained in all of its (publicly available) SEC filings that their single licensor CUSA - which was supposed to be their main source of income - hadn't paid yet. Asiarim started to go downhill towards the end of last year, while Barry/Dammy started to hint that CUSA might become the next owner of the trademarks ("Commodore trademark has a new daddy"). Currently, Asiarim and Commodore Holdings - the former owner of the Commodore trademarks - are fighting in court over the ownership of the trademarks.
IMHO, it's pretty safe to assume that CUSA didn't pay any licensing fees for the Commodore logos so far.
but as the Amiga trademark is dead
The "Amiga trademark" isn't dead. The one covering software has been cancelled by the USPTO, but that one was only filed in 2006, IIRC. During the rest of the Amiga's lifetime, there was only one trademark covering hardware - and that one is still alive.
So it could well be that Amiga Inc. have given the name out on a "loan" basis...
CUSA are still many months away from delivering actual Amiga branded product. The recent 'launch' of the Amiga Mini was just a press release and photoshopped pictures.
I'm simply assuming that Barry wouldn't pay upfront, he can't be that dumb.
Edit: Just saw on c-a.org that Barry claims the Amiga Mini cases will arrive 'real soon now' (tm), so perhaps payment is due sooner than I thought.
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Actually having the dog on the board of directors is pretty Boss.
Seems Moochie is doing most of work and thinking, is only cute and non-violent being there. And so much lawyars, PRs, family ... and yet so little innovation and such campaigns. In public companies people get rotated or replaced. With private companies, it will be bossy until they declare to be out of bussiness, and LCCs are great for that because founders profit and other companies cannot be affected, just the ownership named at company - which is limited Amiga licence and probably rented Florida office.
So one day, PoooF as it came to existance, PoooF it will cease to exist.
And just silence and boycott is helpfull.
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Blue LEDs are a blight and murder on the eyes of countless innocent electronics purchasers, and anyone who uses them will be purged when the revolution comes.
CommodoreJohn doesn't **** around :rofl:
But LED's should be green'ish yellow of course, amiga style.
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Blue LEDs are a blight and murder on the eyes of countless innocent electronics purchasers, and anyone who uses them will be purged when the revolution comes.
I am keeping my green LEDed pitchfork at the ready :D.
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Seems Moochie is doing most of work and thinking, is only cute and non-violent being there.
It says he was in a Pup-peroni (sp?) commercial. I would like to see it, I couldn't find it on Youtube though. I love dog food commercials, so much better than cat food commercials.
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I suspect this is why all the C=USA "bare bones" systems all come with blu-ray drives built-in. This way they can claim it's a disk drive, as they don't have the license to produce a case.
Great legal loophole, lets call Lorianos case Amiga 500 Replica and ship it with slim DVD, so we declare it Amiga 500 replica DVD drive
(it`s a joke, its already X500 and with no stickers, but Loraino is great example of "I can, you can"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3aVj1JOz_c
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It says he was in a Pup-peroni (sp?) commercial. I would like to see it, I couldn't find it on Youtube though. I love dog food commercials, so much better than cat food commercials.
Might be this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqK8nbQ2ViQ
Its nice human and caring add on to the team, let alone humor.
Is it what they animals know of our wrongdoings or we could convert Moochie to be AmigaOS user :-)
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Great legal loophole, lets call Lorianos case Amiga 500 Replica and ship it with slim DVD, so we declare it Amiga 500 replica DVD drive
(it`s a joke, its already X500 and with no stickers, but Loraino is great example of "I can, you can"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3aVj1JOz_c
It doesn't look anything like any Amiga case, it is a BBC Micro case more than A500 so that would be wrong IMO.
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(http://www.mememaker.net/static/images/memes/272710.jpg)
Sorry... I couldn't resist. :D
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BigBentheAussie is Leo Nigro - CTO of Commodore USA. Unsure how he does his job from across the world.
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Corporate.aspx
they should get "Moochie (http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Corporate.aspx)" on this...sniff out if anything was actually stolen or misrepresented. Or Moochie will bury his bones in the empty computer case.
I'll bet Moochie is the most ethical of the bunch :cool:
at least he doesn't make stupid posts on message boards
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(http://www.mememaker.net/static/images/memes/272710.jpg)
Sorry... I couldn't resist. :D
I see you! There is no life in the abyss that is commodore usa!
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Actually, it is us Blue Faithful who will be at a disadvantage. You see, the human eye can go from red light to near complete darkness without the need to adjust for the lighting. Blue light, however, depletes the chemicals in our retinas which are used to detect variances in lighting.
In the end, this becomes the classic "Red versus Blue" battle for our souls.
wasn't one pill for getting OUT of the Matrix and the other pill for staying in it??
I'm confused :)
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they should get "Moochie (http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Corporate.aspx)" on this...sniff out if anything was actually stolen or misrepresented. Or Moochie will bury his bones in the empty computer case.
I'll bet Moochie is the most ethical of the bunch :cool:
at least he doesn't make stupid posts on message boards
I dont know about that one! Moochie will definitely have his/her moments.. When your leading a team of Monkeys what can you do??
(http://quicklol.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/dog-on-computer-no-idea.jpg)
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Franko over at amigaworld.net
"I was kinda hoping that no one would have made that public on the forums as I've been waiting since last September for "someone" to try and officially issue a Cease & Desist or warning not to use the Amiga trademark which became "dead" on the 19th of September 2011...
Oh well, the cats out of the bag now but I'm surprised Barry didn't want to pay the fees to re-register it as he knew the Trademark was dead as I had mentioned it to him)...
So now that everyone knows it's dead then I don't suppose you'll be receiving any legal correspondence from CUSA now {even they wouldn't be daft enough to try that, would they !!!)...
Been thinking about registering it myself since last year and basically licensing it for a fee of penny to people in the community to use for their projects (that way it would end all this BS by CUSA), perhaps it's time I did so as Barry obviously has no intentions of paying the fee...
I need to decide if it's worth the fees just to finally put an end to all this BS once and for all, what do you think... "
He should, then send a Cease & Desist letter from his attorney to CUSA. That would be Awesome!:banana::banana::banana:
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He should, then send a Cease & Desist letter from his attorney to CUSA. That would be Awesome!:banana::banana::banana:
Action speaks louder than words, I wouldn't take his words too seriously until he actions upon it.. I dunno I think he likes to talk a bit... So until something happens wait with baited breath..
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I know. Just let me dream...
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I wouldnt be surprised if the A.org owner stepped up one day to purchase such rights... that would certainly be interesting within the threads... :-/
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I'll bet Moochie is the most ethical of the bunch :cool:
at least he doesn't make stupid posts on message boards
is Barry' s constant companion and closest advisor. At the age of 4 months, Moochie began his formal education at the International Canine Center for Clandestine Operations. The ICCCO is sanctioned and funded as a joint effort of the CIA, Homeland Security, Mossad, NCIS and MI5 in the UK.
After one year, Moochie completed his training and received his Security Level 5 Certification. His international accreditations includes terrorist and "Black Op's" interdictions, counter espionage infiltration and weapons/lethal force combat control. Moochie proudly served our country until his duty assignment successfully terminated in June, 2009 after having completed tours in the Middle East, Asia and Eastern Europe.
He is a special operative. Woder how Muchie served his country (Earth?) in East Europe :-)
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He is a special operative. Woder how Muchie served his country (Earth?) in East Europe :-)
Well if Muchie ventures any future east to asia then he could end up as BBQ.. :-/
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Muchie in previous career...
(http://msp145.photobucket.com/albums/r215/xx_XdramaXqueenX_xx/army_dog.jpg)
He looks a little spooked maybe he's sufferring from post traumatic stress disorder these days?
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Muchie in previous career...
(http://msp145.photobucket.com/albums/r215/xx_XdramaXqueenX_xx/army_dog.jpg)
He looks a little spooked maybe he's sufferring from post traumatic stress disorder these days?
Nah he's just seen Barry's business plan and wondering when he goes bankrupt who will be buying his dog biscuits :lol:
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I find it funny that just like when the legal spaghetti of the commodore name rights got revealed... No comment from CUSA. Now we all know about the amiga trademark issues, and again, no statement from cusa.
A real company would release a public statement if it was revealed that their trademarks and right to even use their own company name was in jeopardy. They wouldn't just ignore it and hope people don't call them on why there company name (and supposedly officially licensed products) are now essentially not even legal...
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I find it funny that just like when the legal spaghetti of the commodore name rights got revealed... No comment from CUSA. Now we all know about the amiga trademark issues, and again, no statement from cusa.
A real company would release a public statement if it was revealed that their trademarks and right to even use their own company name was in jeopardy. They wouldn't just ignore it and hope people don't call them on why there company name (and supposedly officially licensed products) are now essentially not even legal...
Its a small company so it will be in their best interest to lay low instead of making already muddy waters more muddy... They have a family member that works in the law profession who knows what she specialises in and they probably dont want to spend money on a good PR agent so they probably dont have the resources or experience like a real company would.. look at the mistakes so far.. Only when they are confident about something positive they will come out to blow their trumpet... Small biz mentality..
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He should, then send a Cease & Desist letter from his attorney to CUSA. That would be Awesome!:banana::banana::banana:
A letter from my attorney would cost him $100 unless he has a retainer but it doesn't mean that Commodore USA would quit.
The court system is not always the place you want to be in because cases can go either way because sometimes judges don't care and can be swayed either way and sometimes it is the person who spends the most in court that wins because they drag it out past the other party's ability to pay.
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@thread
Clarification on trademark registration and trademark rights from Hyperionmp:
source (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=35732&forum=2#665332)
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Its a small company so it will be in their best interest to lay low instead of making already muddy waters more muddy...
It would, except for the part where muddying waters is basically all they do.
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Well it seems to me that the community should be more respectful of the rightful owners of the amiga IP.
Amiga is a strong, cutting edge technology and brand but if anyone can steal the name and put it on anything then its rightful owners won't be able to make a living out of it, much less bring it back to its rightful position as market leader.
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We are 20 years past any "market leader" possibilities, unfortunately.
It's solely a hobby platform in the true sense, any of the real "Amiga" offerings, anyways. Never going to see mainstream use again that impacts the Apple and MS dominance in the least, numbers wise.
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Amiga is a strong, cutting edge technology and brand
Not since the late 80s/early 90s.
its rightful owners won't be able to make a living out of it, much less bring it back to its rightful position as market leader.
If the rightful owners were trying to make a living out of it, they sure could've fooled me.
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Well it seems to me that the community should be more respectful of the rightful owners of the amiga IP.
Amiga is a strong, cutting edge technology and brand but if anyone can steal the name and put it on anything then its rightful owners won't be able to make a living out of it, much less bring it back to its rightful position as market leader.
LOL! :)
Smells like CUSA...
Amiga strong, cutting edge technology? LOL! Which one...the one of the '80s-'90s?
Steal the name? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Nice one!
Another fresh account...2 posts...this is a farce! Priceless!
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Might be this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqK8nbQ2ViQ
Its nice human and caring add on to the team, let alone humor.
Is it what they animals know of our wrongdoings or we could convert Moochie to be AmigaOS user :-)
Sweet, it looks like he could be the dog on the couch. Thanks for finding this for me.
I was right about the dog food commercials being good, this was much better than the Wiskas commercials.
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Well it seems to me that the community should be more respectful of the rightful owners of the amiga IP.
Amiga is a strong, cutting edge technology and brand but if anyone can steal the name and put it on anything then its rightful owners won't be able to make a living out of it, much less bring it back to its rightful position as market leader.
Hello, new user. Is good to have new people here.
Respect - many have tried to licence Amiga name for various project in the past, but very few, included contracted Hyperion, survived it and very few were licenced at all (AmigaOne name, AmigaOS and this "Amiga" Mini). So rightful owner doesn`t seem to try to make best use of it. That is why most of Amiga products of today does not bare Amiga name, or are labeled as AmigaOne and yes, AmigaOS.
Cutting edge technology was only 1985 and brand is forgotten beside such island as this community.
When speaking out of anyone using the name, putting it on everything, examples are Amiga Inc shop, iCoin line of products and CUSA Amiga series. That doesn`t bring any of original values or OS continuation, no matter how much names and adverts suggest it, neither is visionary, innovative or practically different and nor for the massess for today market.
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Well it seems to me that the community should be more respectful of the rightful owners of the amiga IP.
Amiga is a strong, cutting edge technology and brand but if anyone can steal the name and put it on anything then its rightful owners won't be able to make a living out of it, much less bring it back to its rightful position as market leader.
Serious question (don't take this as an insult) but:
Does anyone really believe that the Amiga can these compete with and beat opposition of the likes of Microsoft, Google, Intel, Apple etc. etc.
Seriously? It's a genuine question.
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Good god won't this thread die?
Lol
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Amiga is a strong, cutting edge technology and brand
This is a joke, right? Or are you posting this from 1990?
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This is a joke, right? Or are you posting this from 1990?
This is basically the crux of the C=USA argument, that Amiga is a cutting edge industry respected brand.
So unless you're calling the entire C=USA operation a joke, then....
... oh, hang on.... er...
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AMIGA, INC. CORPORATION WASHINGTON, the registered owner of the Amiga trademark is an inactive corporation and is unable to conduct any business, including licensing their trademark to Commodore USA.
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LOL! :)
Smells like CUSA...
Amiga strong, cutting edge technology? LOL! Which one...the one of the '80s-'90s?
Steal the name? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Nice one!
Another fresh account...2 posts...this is a farce! Priceless!
Well, surely people wouldn't go to so much trouble and money to purchase one of the few machines capable of running modern versions of amigaos 4.x or morphos if it was just some obsolete, worthless thing, right?
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*Yawn* the games people play
:uzi: Trolls !! :destroy:
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Well, surely people wouldn't go to so much trouble and money to purchase one of the few machines capable of running modern versions of amigaos 4.x or morphos if it was just some obsolete, worthless thing, right?
What's that got to do with anything?
Read your comment again...it's laughable. :D
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Amiga is a strong, cutting edge technology and brand but if anyone can steal the name and put it on anything then its rightful owners won't be able to make a living out of it, much less bring it back to its rightful position as market leader.
Yeah, there's just a bit of a gap between "long-abandoned but beloved machine with a devoted and still-active fanbase" and "actually any kind of contender at all in any corner of the general PC market." Cripes, even to match up with Apple you'd have to get somewhere between 15-20% of the market.
(And by "a bit of a gap" I of course mean "Valles Marineris." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valles_Marineris))
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Well, surely people wouldn't go to so much trouble and money to purchase one of the few machines capable of running modern versions of amigaos 4.x or morphos if it was just some obsolete, worthless thing, right?
Surely all MOS / OS4 users have been through a lot of trouble and investment, you are right about that.
But, its not "obsolete, worthless thing" but most modern editions of AmigaOS`s.
Surely just easy web shopping with credit card is not enough to get people buying fake Amigas for twice price of same x86 system.
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Surely all MOS / OS4 users have been through a lot of trouble and investment, you are right about that.
But, its not "obsolete, worthless thing" but most modern editions of AmigaOS`s.
Is there a difference? Are those modern editions of amiga os more capable than the original, or as capable as any popular os?
Surely just easy web shopping with credit card is not enough to get people buying fake Amigas for twice price of same x86 system.
What is a true amiga?
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They are way more powerful then AmigaOS.
Reason why it isnt developed as Linux are gaps in development from OS 3.5 to OS 3.9, OS 3.9 to OS 4.0 final and during process with Amiga Inc. One or two releases and OS alone will be quite modern (same goes for MorphOS and AROS)
True Amiga isnt just some (in)valuable everyday commodity with sticker over it trying to increase value.
Even X1000 and SAMs (Minimig, Natami, FPGA Arcade, Pegasos, Efika ...) are also motherboards, they are quite unique as similar are rarely available today.
True Amiga is in user controlled experience over computer (=OS), and was over hardware at chipset time. Experienced user in charge of fully customizable responsive OS. It would stand for optimized software that should take best out of hardware.
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Is there a difference? Are those modern editions of amiga os more capable than the original, or as capable as any popular os?
Yes. They are all three (AOS 4, MOS, AROS) more capable than AOS 3 by quite some way.
Don't get me wrong, AOS 3.x is a brilliant OS, but these days it lacks some features which are necessary.
What is a true amiga?
There will always be differing opinions - and it's a debate that's being going on for years.
However, I think any Amiga user can agree that a Linux PC with "Amiga" engraved on the front is no more an Amiga than it is a Cray 2 Supercomputer.
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They are way more powerful then AmigaOS.
In which way?
Even X1000 and SAMs (Minimig, Natami, FPGA Arcade, Pegasos, Efika ...) are also motherboards, they are quite unique as similar are rarely available today.
They are unique, but what are their unique selling point? From a hardware point of view, why do I want one of those instead of commodity hardware?
True Amiga is in user controlled experience over computer (=OS), and was over hardware at chipset time. Experienced user in charge of fully customizable responsive OS.
How is that different from a linux? Actually, linux being open source I would think the user would be in charge on a level unparalleled by any closed source os.
It would stand for optimized software that should take best out of hardware.
But is it worth to bother taking the most out of hardware which is orders of magnitude less powerful than commodity hardware anyway?
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Is there a difference? Are those modern editions of amiga os more capable than the original, or as capable as any popular os?
Is this a trick question? The answer is a bit complicated:
Amiga OS had a low overhead architecture and both MorphOS and AmigaOS4 are trying to keep this intact ... with varying degrees of success.
There is great software that hasn't been adequately replaced on other platforms and can only be run in emulation or the real Amiga.
Old Amigas can not easily produce or consume data formats that are common on current implementations of Linux, Mac OS, IOs and Windows, except when it is plain text. NG Amigas are far better in that respect. NG Amiga Hardware is dreadfully slow, even the X1000 is no match for a modern PC. G4 Macs perform worse than iPads.
So Amigas and NG Amigas are less capable than current PCs but very different in software. The original Amiga HW has a superior design compared to the NG Amigas, but suffer from their slow clock speeds and cacheless architecture.
The Amiga line of computers has ended and so will the NG Amiga line in about ten years. If you want to open a new line of computers and give the name Amiga to them - fine, but don`t fool yourself: branding something "Amiga" doesn't change the value of the product by one iota. So if you are selling vanilla PCs you have to face it: they are just PCs nothing more.
The honest way of selling them would be calling them "Amiga PC i7" or "ARM Amiga Windows Tablet", but I guess "Commodore PC i7" is the better name.
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In which way?
Mostly under the hood. There's a heck of a lot of work gone into bringing stability and compatibility to all the NG OSes. To a user, OS 4 probably seems much like OS 3 with bells and whistles, but to a coder they're leagues away from OS 3. This allows much faster porting and creation of programs which would not have been possible.
Then there's the ability to use hardware which we take for granted these days - USB 2, PCI Express, SATA, Gigabit ethernet, Gigabytes of RAM, Terabytes of hard disk space. All this has to be coded into the OS.
They are unique, but what are their unique selling point? From a hardware point of view, why do I want one of those instead of commodity hardware?
Because they're different.
Why does anyone want something that's different? It depends on the individual entirely.
For myself, I love my Sam 440ep because it's so fast, responsive and co-operative. It's a wonderful machine to code on.
I love my A1 G4 because it has more power and is fast enough to do most things, but it's still fun.
I love my OS4 A4000 because it's the best of the Classic Amigas. It's 18 years old and can still run a modern browser. It's got character.
How is that different from a linux? Actually, linux being open source I would think the user would be in charge on a level unparalleled by any closed source os.
It's different because Linux was never meant to be a desktop OS. There are more streamlined distros out there, but even so I've yet to see one that comes close to AmigaOS.
As a coder, I can do things quickly and easily that I just can't do with Linux. Linux is still mired in static library hell and incompatibilities and an obscure directory structure; AmigaOS is simple. It's pure. It's fun.
I use Linux a lot - the Asus EEE PC I'm typing this on is running Linux - but I never code for it because it's horrible to code for. AmigaOS is a joy to code for.
But is it worth to bother taking the most out of hardware which is orders of magnitude less powerful than commodity hardware anyway?
Yes, most definitely. If we didn't, we'd all be using the same bog standard PC motherboard. A PC is just a PC, it's a bunch of chips shoved onto a motherboard in China that runs an OS.
An Amiga - be it an A4000, an AmigaOne X1000, a Sam, a Pegasos II, whatever - has character. You can customise it, tweak it, develop it, enhance it, whatever you want, but most of all you can enjoy it.
That is why a Linux PC will never replace my Amigas. I have used both; I do not enjoy Linux. I do enjoy AmigaOS.
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The original Amiga HW has a superior design compared to the NG Amigas, but suffer from their slow clock speeds and cacheless architecture.
So is it a question of how "clever" an architecture is versus how much "muscle" it has? In that case, would you say that the original amiga hardware had a superior design to modern PCs (in terms of "cleverness", setting aside the obvious gap in frequency, transistor counts, cache amount etc.)? And if so, in which way?
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So is it a question of how "clever" an architecture is versus how much "muscle" it has? In that case, would you say that the original amiga hardware had a superior design to modern PCs (in terms of "cleverness", setting aside the obvious gap in frequency, transistor counts, cache amount etc.)? And if so, in which way?
Well, for starters, it's not a nigh-endless succession of one kluge on top of another to address design flaws stemming from IBM's sudden rush to get in on the personal-computer market.
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I dont know how this thread started off as a battle between CUSA and a case designer, then Moochie got the limelight and now we are arguing what makes an Amiga a true Amiga.. Whao! only in Amiga land :)
I wonder what Moochie would think of all this commotion :-/
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In that case, would you say that the original amiga hardware had a superior design to modern PCs ?
They are hard to compare. There was much more attention to detail and Amiga was highly original. But I think that's not the point.
The point is: Amiga never was about the brand. We would have loved it if it had been called the Atari 2000FX or IBM Junior for that matter.
Today the folks feel protective about the name, because that's all they have to find people who loved those machines too. If you use the name for something else it is hard for them to find what they are looking for.
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So now this is the 'educate the ignorant troll' thread. Awesome.
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So now this is the 'educate the ignorant troll' thread. Awesome.
The thread was dead, but you have brought it back to life.
Oh Sh--
I am now guilty as well.
:rofl:
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This is now the dance party zone.
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This is now the dance party zone.
It's Friday, time for all people to relax, kick back and eat some Chicken Wings and celebrate the love we have for our favorite ChickenHeaded computers.
http://2204355.com/
(For the poor souls without a Flash capable browser)
http://i.imgur.com/6PTKb.gif
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It's Friday, time for all people to relax, kick back and eat some Chicken Wings and celebrate the love we have for our favorite ChickenHeaded computers.
Somebody mention chicken?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ5AFxzY-nM&feature=related
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Seriously Chickens now??? Need a few words from Porkins now..
(http://i37.tinypic.com/641guc.jpg)
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The Amiga is a spanish word. use Amiga, the portuguese word.
BR
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Woo Hoo. Chiko Roll time!!!!
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_P4Uad_Fsc2w/SncEofTu4WI/AAAAAAAABFc/lvl4ORq_vDM/s400/chiko_hand.jpg)
[youtube]0kv0GV4_Ao8[/youtube]
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They are way more powerful then AmigaOS.
Not really, just a wee bit more powerfull.
And it's "than", not "then".
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Depends, if then is now then he's right, if then is 1992 then the answer is no.
Not really, just a wee bit more powerfull.
And it's "than", not "then".
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Depends, if then is now then he's right, if then is 1992 then the answer is no.
No, "than" was comparative in 1992 and it's comparative now :D
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Woo Hoo. Chiko Roll time!!!!
Keep your oversized springrolls to yourself!
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So now this is the 'educate the ignorant troll' thread. Awesome.
It is pretty arrogant to assume I'm ignorant just because I'm saying things you don't like.
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I thought this was about the bogan computer company known as C=USA?
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It is pretty arrogant to assume I'm ignorant just because I'm saying things you don't like.
At least you don't deny trolling.