1080 vs 1084

[mr_a500]

Oh - but the one thing that SUCKS about the 1080: it's either PAL or NTSC. Cannot switch to either, unlike the 1084+'s

I don't know what you mean. I've got a 1080 and I regularly switch between PAL and NTSC with no problems.

I like the 1080 better than the 1084. The matte finish makes a big difference. I think the 1084 is a bit brighter though.

[mr_a500]

No, it is exactly as the 1084. PAL is cut off a bit - unless you adjust the V-Height - no different from the 1084.

[mr_a500]

"Severe cropping"? You must have some strange versions of the 1080 because mine, as I said, is no different from my four 1084 monitors in the display of PAL screens. With V-Height adjusted, you can view the entire PAL screen. I don't keep mine like that though because everything ends up looking squashed. I have my 1080 set up to display 692x482 (NTSC) as seen in this screenshot.

[mr_a500]

I still don't know what you're talking about. I can run PAL games and PAL demos (not Workbench modes) perfectly fine  without "severe cropping". As I said, in my experience, there is absolutely no difference in viewing PAL screens on a 1080 and a 1084. (...and I assume that was the point of this conversation)


Edit: My reply was to save2600 - on the difference between 1080 and 1084, not to TjLaZer on the benefits of 1084P. Of course having complete PAL visible without fiddling or squashing would be best.

[mr_a500]

I think it is *you* that have the special 1080's in your country!

You could be right. Not only that, but I think Canada got a cheap version of the 1084 without external adjustment knobs - so that's why I say there's no difference (in PAL display).

But it really sounds like you have tweaked your particular monitor(s) to look 'acceptable' in either mode and that you are just not familiar enough with the difference between the two.

Yes, I tweaked my monitors to look acceptable in either mode, but I am certainly familiar with the difference between the two. (Do you think I'm blind? I can tell in a second the difference between PAL and NTSC. I can even tell if one pixel is not right!)


Edit:
@save2600

Please stop editing your post so I can have a chance to properly reply!

I'm confused... so you're admitting multi-region viewing in its entirety is not possible without major fiddling (because that has been my experience)?

The whole point of discussion is the difference between 1080 and 1084, right? On both the 1080 and 1084, you have to do major fiddling to view PAL in its entirety (at least on the original 1084, not the 1084S or 1084D or 1084P). So what is your point?

[mr_a500]

Well I was going to say that what you say confirms that Canada had different 1080s.... but then I remembered that I bought my 1080 on eBay - from the US.

I suggest you open your 1080 and adjust it. You'll probably see that with a bit of fiddling, you can get PAL displayed properly. (..and if you don't want NTSC squashed, you can just crop PAL slightly - only losing the top & bottom 15 pixels - still useable for PAL games and demos)

Of course, a 1084P that you don't have to screw around with would probably be the best monitor to get.