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Quick question: Building a new PC, AMD or Intel?
« on: November 03, 2008, 10:40:18 PM »
I'm way behind on PC hardware, my mind is in about 2006 technology. Who is the leader atm in price/performance ratio right now? I don't do cutting edge, I like the most bang for the buck or slightly better.

AMD or Intel? Which CPU and MB do you recommend?
Video card suggestion under ~$250? Dual head prefered.
Hard drive?

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Re: Quick question: Building a new PC, AMD or Intel?
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2008, 10:45:49 PM »
I went AMD because its significanlty cheaper to get cpu, motherboard, but intel chips are generally faster at the moment.  I don't play the latest games and don't do a lot of audio/video encoding.  But if you are willing to spend $250 on a video card then I'd recommend that you go intel, much as it pains me to say it.  Having said that I'm happy with my AMD X2 5000+
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Re: Quick question: Building a new PC, AMD or Intel?
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2008, 10:46:16 PM »
my impression is that cpu/$ = AMD, while raw cpu is Intel. I might be wrong though )
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Re: Quick question: Building a new PC, AMD or Intel?
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2008, 10:54:58 PM »
AMD Athlon 64 X2 5400+ Brisbane 2.8GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core black edition Processor - Retail @ $77

ECS A780GM-A AM2+/AM2 AMD 780G HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail  @ $69.99

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 (Perpendicular Recording) ST3750640AS 750GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA-300 Hard Drive - OEM @ $89.99

EVGA 512-P3-N861-TR GeForce 9600 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail  @ $104.99 ($84.99 after mail in rebate)

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail @ $49.99

All from newegg.com
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Re: Quick question: Building a new PC, AMD or Intel?
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2008, 11:08:49 PM »
go for a seagate for sure. gigabyte rocks too.  :-)
i prefer (and use) amd, but for the moment, the power is at intel cpus...  :roll:

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Re: Quick question: Building a new PC, AMD or Intel?
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2008, 11:18:07 PM »
AMD is best bang for the buck,
But stay away from El Cheepo motherboards like ECS and Foxcom  etc. 9 out of 10 fail in the first 30 days. Stay away from motherboards with "onboard" graphics also. Too many conflicts. I just built an entire AMD system with an AMD 5000+ and ASUS M2N Motherboard, and I built the whole thing for less then $700 Cad (including tax). that was with a Nvidia 8500 GT 1 gig graphics, 500 gig SATA drive, Upgraded case (I love to use the Antec Sonata cases) and 2 gigs for ram, SATA DVD burnner etc. Heck, without the XP license, it was under $600. :lol:
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Re: Quick question: Building a new PC, AMD or Intel?
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2008, 11:31:54 PM »
I can't advise. I went a bit nuts when building my current PC, which has turned out to be far more powerful than strictly necessary, but with the associated extra cost.
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Re: Quick question: Building a new PC, AMD or Intel?
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2008, 11:33:23 PM »
Nothing wrong with cheap moherboards and motherboards with onboard graphics really.

Most motherboards comes with onboard graphics these days, I am actually running on the built in graphics at the moment on this quad-workstation at a rock solid 1920x1200, and if I want to I can connect a second screen to the other display port to run a dual setup.

If you run into a conflict with a graphics board then you can disable the IGP in the Bios.

My vote is for a dual core intel CPU or a second hand AMD CPU (since some of the older ones are so energy efficient and extremely cheap, got my own 3200+ for free), currently my Ubuntu server runs on a 2 GHz AMD and an el cheapo motherboard with integrated graphics, consumes 42 watt idle with 4 spun down hard drives and one 2.5" sys drive running. 35 watts less than my quad workstation with q6600.
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Re: Quick question: Building a new PC, AMD or Intel?
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2008, 11:42:32 PM »
First off look for deals. That's how I got my motherboard. An Asus M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless off eBay for $90 about two years ago. It was DOA but only six months into the three year warranty. Sent it in and go a whole new retail box. The rest of that build was an AMD x64 2x 5800. I just upgraded the RAM from 2 to 4 GB thanks to a good deal w rebate at Newegg. For a graphics card I have an ATI Radeon 2600. This runs all my games full out. Granted I would not allow me to run Crysis at full settings. Graphics card will likely be the next upgrade, sometime after Christmas. Not only is it my gaming rig but my TV too. I have Dual montiors for that. Media Center gets displayed on the 24" 1900x1200 Samsung.
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Re: Quick question: Building a new PC, AMD or Intel?
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2008, 11:51:25 PM »
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redrumloa wrote:

AMD or Intel? Which CPU and MB do you recommend?

Hi redrumloa,

You have to get a quad core Intel, as they are making 16 core CPUs at the end of next year, it would probably be a mistake to get only 2 cores now. Use the power that is available NOW.

Intel Q9xxx line, however, they are $250 and up.

Here's a cheapo AMD quad core and a full blown cheapest Intel quad core CPU. Should be really powerful, though.


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Video card suggestion under ~$250? Dual head prefered.


I have a Nvidia Ti4600 card in my computer from when I got it in 2002 and am happy with it.

However, Nvidia seems to be falling apart at the moment so I think the best card you can get for that price is the ATI 4850. It has 800 registers!

They have a 4870 now, but it's more than what you want to spend for a graphics card, and I don't know it's specifics.

I would definitely get the 4850 if I was buying a computer today (or, the 4870, if it's much better (at least 35% as it costs considerably more)).
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Re: Quick question: Building a new PC, AMD or Intel?
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2008, 11:56:02 PM »
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However, Nvidia seems to be falling apart at the moment so I think the best card you can get for that price is the ATI 4850.  It has 800 registers!


800, eh? Such figures are a bit meaningless on GPU's nowadays. For example, my GTX 260 can be running 24576 hardware threads at any given instant (24 multiprocessors running 32 "warps" of 32 threads each).

The GTX280 is the fastest consumer GPU on the market, but the 4870 X2 cards, having 2 GPU's are, of course, faster.
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Re: Quick question: Building a new PC, AMD or Intel?
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2008, 12:16:49 AM »
Hi Karlos,

But, you can get a 4850 for $189, and a GTX280 is a whopping $389, including a $30 mail in rebate. Is the GTX280 twice as fast as the 4850? I don't think it is. (I don't know.)

The 4870 is $269.99, including $20 rebate.

This is from newegg.com.

The cards might be even cheaper, if you look around.
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Re: Quick question: Building a new PC, AMD or Intel?
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2008, 12:24:01 AM »
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Re: Quick question: Building a new PC, AMD or Intel?
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2008, 12:41:01 AM »
My personal recommendation for CPU is and has always been AMD. Unless you have a massive amount of cash to blow, you'll never go bleeding edge. While AMD has made great strides in advancing beyond Intel, the pattern of Intel coming up with a design and AMD improving upon it and being significantly cheaper has held true for decades.

Multiple CPU cores are wonderful for those who do heavy multitasking, but there's a limit to how many cores and/or CPUs an individual needs. Running multiple CS3 apps at once, you need the extra cores (my counterpart at work for example, a graphic artist, runs In Design, Photoshop and Illustrator all at once opening catalogs full of hires images. She brings her dual core iMac to it's knees)... Otherwise stick with dual core and go for higher clock speed.

Obviously, cram as much RAM into the system as you can... You WILL need it.

As for the motherboard and video, I suggest going with an all nVidia solution. Components designed to function together for maximum efficiency. It's hard to find any video card without dual monitor capability these days.

Hard drive, the faster the better, stick with the main brands and go SATA. Were it me, I'd get a lower capacity (60GB or less) 10K RPM drive as your boot drive with a high capacity (500GB+) 7200 RPM storage drive. Between boot times and memory swapping, you'll be glad you did.
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Re: Quick question: Building a new PC, AMD or Intel?
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2008, 01:03:37 AM »
Intel + nVidia + 8gb RAM.  Go Asus, MSI or ABit for your motherboard and video cards.  HD wise, SATA3, as much as you can get. Go with a dual-terabyte RAID setup and never need drive space again*.


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