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Operating System Specific Discussions => MorphOS => MorphOS -- Development Support => Topic started by: Iggy on April 27, 2013, 02:34:44 AM
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I've been playing around with a system I'm giving to a developer, and while it won't surprise any of you, its renewed my faith in my OS of choice.
On a system that would run OSX slowly, MorphOS flies.
The interface is clean (and reminds me of what Amiga might have grown into).
Yeah, I own a legacy machine, but when I want to actually do something relevant I move to one of my MorphOS systems.
Looking forward to ver. 3.2, G5 support, tinyGL support for the R300, and Cinnamon Writer (and later even Libre Office, possibly).
Amiga fans ought to be pleased that without a major supporter, the market continues to develop.
Few other old systems have seen anything like this (although the Sinclair and Atari ST developments are cool too).
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Dont forget to ad the latest browser OWB (odyssey) Is getting really mature with a new version of flash swfdec.. making it a geniune alternative platform
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I had a chance to try morphos on a friends old power pc mac. That mac runs osx slowly, but morphos flies. I think this would beat AROS as my next gen amiga of choice... My aros machine is okay but still has many problems and the browser is not up to morphos.
MorphOS has enough things that I may use it for an everyday machine, but I do still love my linux box for most things... Linux with its over secure file system and so on tends to get on my nerves sometimes though...
I think an amiga like os is better for a single user machine that you use for every day things, a true "desktop OS"....
Hopeful I'll have one someday. The cellar of doom is getting redone slowly, and I will have old amigas, a c64, my main machine (linux box) my windows video editing/wintendo machine, my aros box and HOPEFULLY, a morphos/osx machine...
Gotta run some electrical lines to the back of the basement to support all that... Painting and trying to clear the family dump of stuff no one wants to look at in the meantime!
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Do they have TiBook support yet? I've been thinking of giving it a go...
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Do they have TiBook support yet? I've been thinking of giving it a go...
That might a long wait. I think those older laptops still use Apple's old ADB protocol internally for mouse/keyboard rather than USB and I know the team has been reluctant/unable to support it.
But yes, MorphOS is a damn fine platform! Definitely breathes new life into Mac hardware.
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I thought the ADB issue had been cleared up? Huh...
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I don't know that ADB protocol would be that big a hurdle.
But the developers only have so much time and have already promised a few things that may eat that time up.
Also, Powerbooks re-sell cheap enough that it might not make sense to support older laptops.
Steven is right about AROS being the next best thing.
Cheap X86 support and probably better OpenGL support.
I just like not being forced into X86 (and, yeah, I still hate Intel).
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Well, I remember that ADB was something of an issue for them for a while, but I thought I remembered hearing that it'd been cleared up and TiBook support was on the to-do list...
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Well, I remember that ADB was something of an issue for them for a while, but I thought I remembered hearing that it'd been cleared up and TiBook support was on the to-do list...
http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=11&topic_id=8503&start=22
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MOS support the built in wifi on the laptops yet? Been awhile since I checked.
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http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=11&topic_id=8503&start=22
Oh, I thought it was the 12" 1.33GHz model they were targeting (which does not use ADB internally). Thanks for clearing that up - certainly opens the door to much more hardware support.
MOS support the built in wifi on the laptops yet? Been awhile since I checked.
The current 3.1 release does not. Not sure what 3.2 will bring.
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Not sure what 3.2 will bring.
We never know about the details until they release a new version.
Probably all for the better, as it keeps people from bitching when something isn't included.
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We never know about the details until they release a new version.
Probably all for the better, as it keeps people from bitching when something isn't included.
Yup. But the anticipation can be just as bad ;)
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Steven is right about AROS being the next best thing.
Cheap X86 support and probably better OpenGL support.
I just like not being forced into X86 (and, yeah, I still hate Intel).
And soon this. :)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img62/9795/kyza.th.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/62/kyza.png/)
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I love your quote Morphos isn't Amiga it's better.I was contemplating getting a Morphos Registration now I know I'm going too. My Boss is a Fanboy he's already given me a Mini mac he has a Laptop lying around somewhere but I' not sure if it meets the Morphos criterior. i may have to decide which one to register. Thanks for the info
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I'm running 3.2 on a G5 2ghz. love it!!
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And soon this. :)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img62/9795/kyza.th.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/62/kyza.png/)
You mean the 23.55G? nice :-) for which versions of AROS? Is there any maximum? (on Windows there are limits)
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You mean the 23.55G? nice :-) for which versions of AROS? Is there any maximum? (on Windows there are limits)
It's in the x86_64 SMP kernel. And the limits are 128 Gigs currently.
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I'm running 3.2 on a G5 2ghz. love it!!
Recently downgraded to a Quicksilver with dual 1 GHz processors (to give away my MDDs as I also have a 1.42 GHz iBook).
STILL loving it.
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For what use is that amount of memory on an amiga compatible os?
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For what use is that amount of memory on an amiga compatible os?
that is a strange question... why not? All want modern features (if they really use it or not)
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For what use is that amount of memory on an amiga compatible os?
http://maker3d.tk/ on AROS already requires 2 gigs so why not go beyond?
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I've been playing around with a system I'm giving to a developer, and while it won't surprise any of you, its renewed my faith in my OS of choice.
On a system that would run OSX slowly, MorphOS flies.
The interface is clean (and reminds me of what Amiga might have grown into).
Yeah, I own a legacy machine, but when I want to actually do something relevant I move to one of my MorphOS systems.
Looking forward to ver. 3.2, G5 support, tinyGL support for the R300, and Cinnamon Writer (and later even Libre Office, possibly).
Amiga fans ought to be pleased that without a major supporter, the market continues to develop.
Few other old systems have seen anything like this (although the Sinclair and Atari ST developments are cool too).
It is times like this back in the good old daze that I would tear this writing up, because it was on a Apple product, but, like an old bulldog that is getting to old to fight, I will have to agree, that morphos is becoming quite a system, not as good yet as Amiga Dos 1.0 but improving where I might actually pay for and start using it on my mini mac, since ppc linux isn't quite up to par (runs slowly) but the cost of this move is still about 10 to 1. MorphOS still costs about $150 dollars and my mini mac cost $15. It worked ok with whatever rotten core OS it had on it, but way slower than my Amiga, linux is slow but at least it is free, the demo of morphOS seemed fast from what I could see given the time limit that I could play with it, but not enough info to really test it, and AROS works great, fast and is free, but I can't get it to get on the darn internet, which morphOS on the mini mac did with no problem.
So Iggy I agree with you looking at the test results that I have, AROS needs to incorporate just a little more easy ness in its set up for the internet, which on most machines today is automatic.
Good call
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For what use is that amount of memory on an amiga compatible os?
It's not. Amiga compatible, that is.
But that stuff is Off Topic in this thread anyway...
;)
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It's not. Amiga compatible, that is.
But that stuff is Off Topic in this thread anyway...
;)
Actually I was replying originally to Iggy... whom I agree with Morphos currently has the most advanced user experience. But Aros is definitely a close second. However it's not Amiga compatible in this sense it's Amiga API compatible. ;)
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http://maker3d.tk/ on AROS already requires 2 gigs so why not go beyond?
Couldn't connect but here is a video: http://youtu.be/DhHEqpPKB7Q
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In my particular case, I had a frustrating experience with MOS.
I got a bug ridden Ambient panel, and a system uncapable of working with modern LCD monitors (BTW, I asked for support here on Amiga.org).
I ended up frustrated, finally testing it on an ancient and eye-hurting CRT monitor. With an annoyingly long ethernet cable.
In my case, I repartitioned the drive again, and Installed some old version of OSX, which actually worked on both of my modern LCDs and it gave me wifi support as a bonus.
Even Aros and Amiga 68k have proper wifi support. In the end, I think I am better with them and OSX.
My PowerMac cost me just $100 bucks, and I feel lucky I didnt pay for a MOS license.
I also feel frustrated, in that I thought MOS was better, and finally it didnt live upto my expectations.
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Better to ask for help on #morphos on freenode or on morphzone.org
Can you post the link here where you asked for help and I'll try to help you with the issues you have.
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more than what?
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a system uncapable of working with modern LCD monitors
MorphOS is very capable of using "modern monitors", what do you think people are using every day? Ancient and eye-hurting CRT monitors? :lol: ;)
There is no magic or rocket science involved in this, it's all very basic. I actually can't imagine what you did wrong (that it worked with OSX suggests that the HW wasn't faulty, but a "human error" instead, or that you used unsupported HW (which IMHO would fall under the "human error" category as well ;))). Usually it's just a matter of connecting the monitor and it works. If the monitor characteristics isn't identified automatically by MorphOS upon boot, it's just a matter of choosing a corresponding preset manually (or creating a new monitor and entering the characteristics of the monitor yourself). Just as you always did on Amiga AFAIK.
(BTW, I asked for support here on Amiga.org).
Instead of using the official support channels (there are several to choose from)?
Why?
:crazy:
The MorphOS team (or other users) is always very helpful and fast to answer (both on the ML and on MZ, and there is also IRC), and if it's a matter of a previously undiscovered bug regarding your particular HW combination, then they would probably like to get a report of that so that they could have a chance of fixing it for a future OS update.
Even Aros and Amiga 68k have proper wifi support.
Isn't that the very same wifi support that MorphOS offers? At least I thought so (haven't used wifi myself).
My PowerMac cost me just $100 bucks
Well, good thing it wasn't a lot of money at least... :)
and I feel lucky I didnt pay for a MOS license.
Yes, that's indeed a very good feature of MorphOS; try before you buy! :) If it turns out that you can't even set up the system properly, then you shouldn't have to waste money on a license for something that won't suit you anyway... ;)
I thought MOS was better, and finally it didnt live upto my expectations.
Indeed it seems that OSX suits you better, but when it comes to "Amiga NG", nothing beats MorphOS, it's as simple as that. But since you obviously didn't get as far as to *actually use it*, I guess you wouldn't know anything about that...
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Please ignore the thinly veiled contempt and sarcasm, not all MorphOS users are like that. I'm sure Grandma is just having an off day.
Were you connecting to your monitor via HDMI by any chance? DCC with HDMI TVs isn't always as automatic as one would expect but it's trivial to fix, you just rename a Full HD monitor driver to the auto-detected monitor name and reboot.
I can provide more detailed steps upon request.
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I hope not all MOS users are like takemehomegrandma!
That doesnt sure show friendliness or will to help.
I asked help here because I was just testing MOS to see if it lived upto its promises, and a few MOS developers were usual posters. Anyway, the bug reports were sent from the deafault MOS bult-in app created for that purpose (which is a standart channel).I got no solution whatsoever.
I didnt do anything to the system, just installed MOS with its installer using its default options. My machine is a PowerMac G4 Quicksilver 2002 with 768MB ram and a Radeon AGP 7500 32MB. So hardware was absolutely supported and MOS was installed without any modifications.
The radeon was connected thru a DVI to VGA cable, that worked great under OSX. But those two LCD monitors were tried on MOS, and both failed to properly show an image.
My posts regarding these issues are still available if you use the search function of this website.
I then found an old Packard Bell CRT monitor and updated the browser, surfed the web, installed some applications, but it was not good being married to a long ethernet cable and a crappy monitor.
Anyway, I will have to pass on trying MOS again, OSX will stay there. I wont bother changing it again. I got better support on OSX forums when I ran into trouble, and there is a ton of software for it.
For a next gen machine, I just tried afterwards and then prefered something that works for me right from the start, like Aros on my notebook.
@Nicholas
Thank you for your help offer, but I havent found a compelling reason to mess with MOS again.
I was just explaining my personal experience with MOS, which was not positive.
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I asked help here because I was just testing MOS to see if it lived upto its promises, and a few MOS developers were usual posters.
I see that the panel problem ws solved, and the monitor problem explained and solutions offered on forum.
I've read a few reports of DDC failing when using a DVI>VGA adapter, but it seems to work ok on mine so it seems not all adapters screw the DDC pooch.
Anyway, the bug reports were sent from the deafault MOS bult-in app created for that purpose (which is a standart channel).I got no solution whatsoever.
The built-in bug reporting tool is there only to report bugs, not as a support tool. I don't think I've ever had a repoly to a bugreport, but I do know the reports are logged and reviewed/bugfixed.
I didnt do anything to the system, just installed MOS with its installer using its default options. My machine is a PowerMac G4 Quicksilver 2002 with 768MB ram and a Radeon AGP 7500 32MB. So hardware was absolutely supported and MOS was installed without any modifications.
The radeon was connected thru a DVI to VGA cable, that worked great under OSX. But those two LCD monitors were tried on MOS, and both failed to properly show an image.
My posts regarding these issues are still available if you use the search function of this website.
Found and read. Was glad to see the panel issue not only solved, but devs asking to see the log to discover how it messed up in the first place.
The DDC issue was addressed in the thread, and you did say you'd solved it so I'm not sure what more support could have been offered at this stage.
I then found an old Packard Bell CRT monitor and updated the browser, surfed the web, installed some applications, but it was not good being married to a long ethernet cable and a crappy monitor.
Since 3.2 there is WPA2 wifi support via the Atheros5k driver. You'd have to find a supported card though.
Anyway, I will have to pass on trying MOS again, OSX will stay there. I wont bother changing it again. I got better support on OSX forums when I ran into trouble, and there is a ton of software for it.
A good reason to not use any alternative OS.
For a next gen machine, I just tried afterwards and then prefered something that works for me right from the start, like Aros on my notebook.
Nice. :) Have been meaning to give AROS another try for some time now. The current development experiments (SMP, >2/4GB ram) make for some interesting times!
Thank you for your help offer, but I havent found a compelling reason to mess with MOS again.
I was just explaining my personal experience with MOS, which was not positive.
That's a shame, but its good to know what were the issues that put you off on the initial try.
It helps identify which areas need more support/explanation, or a good cleaer how-to guide for new users to follow. I'm currently trying to put together a 'first steps' user guide for MorphOS, so knowing what caused you problems is valuable.
If you ever decide to give MorphOS a try again in future there are many people who are happy to help with any initial issues you may have.
It's just a bit of a shame really, if those issues hadn't occurred I think you may have enjoyed the strengths that MorphOS has to offer.