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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Darth_X on May 23, 2003, 02:34:52 AM
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Since the '10 questions' thing is in style lately, how about we ask MAI, the developers of AmigaOne/LinuxOne/Teron motherboards, 10 questions? :-D
Anyone have ideas for questions to ask MAI?
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I'd like to ask them what they think of the original Amigas like the A1200. :-D
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Darth_X wrote:
I'd like to ask them what they think of the original Amigas like the A1200. :-D
Yer :)
What CPUs does the Terron PX support.
Do they have any plans to support the PPC970 from IBM?
Also so imformation on their chips for the terroinPX would be interesting. Liike the south bridge and/or the north bridge chips (i have no idea what im talking about here except i know these chiips are important). And how they differ from the TerroCX chips?
O yer, timeline for the TerronPX!! Like when it'll be released :)
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what do you the 'designers' of the AmigaOne have to say about the bugs reported in the articia by other buyers??? ...
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Rodney wrote:
O yer, timeline for the TerronPX!! Like when it'll be released :)
Errrmmm... like the AmigaOne XE I'm typing this on or do you want to buy a Teron PX direct from MAI? I don't recall the release date, but it was some time ago now!
Also, I'm very glad it's an "AmigaOne XE" rather a "Teron PX". If it were a Teron PX, I'd be SERIOUSLY in debt right now (go on, take a look at MAI's website and see what they're charging for one)
Regards,
Ben de Waal
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@Mips
Putting "designers" in quotes suggests you are being sarcastic, like the A1 did not get designed.
If you cannot keep stuff like that out, or be aware of the effect it has on asking a question, don't be surprised if you either (a) dont get selected or (b) get a sarcastic answer.
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@meerschaum
What would you ask MAI?
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@DaveP
What would you ask MAI?
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@YttriumOx
What would you ask MAI?
(how about: "Why not call your board the AmigaOneXE instead of TeronPX? ) :-D
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@YttriumOx
Oh no not another one you can't understand the
difference between a evaluation board with full
dev-support and a consumer board.
Ever wondered why the price drops by 1560$
with the 2nd ordered board, or why they don't
give prices for more than 5 boards ?
Hint, everybody who wants to buy a larger quantity
off those boards, can do it under the same terms
as Eyetechs buys them, and can most probraly resell
them somewhat cheaper (no fee for the A1-licence).
But to answer Rodneys question:
The PX uses the same south and northbrigde as the CX,
and therefore has the same limitations, like
only SDR. Slapping a 970 on such a board would
most likely be quite dissapointing
performance-wise, and quite hard to achieve due
to different bus-protocolls.
This would need an ArticiaP with fitting mobo,
but since the P is allready delayed by over
6 months, and there is (logically) no sign of an
enduser-ready mobo for it, I wouldn't hold my
breath for it ...
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I would ask them for their side of the story with respect to the now infamous Bill Buck posting on Moobunny and Seehunds commentary on Terrasofts motives for dropping TeronCX from its online store.
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@Rodney
Why ask, what you can read?
http://www.mai.com/products/teron%20px.htm (http://www.mai.com/products/teron%20px.htm)
Northbridge: MAI Articia S (http://www.mai.com/products/articia%20s.html)
Southbridge: VIA VT82C686B (http://www6.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20001026/index.html) (Could need some better info about it) ;-)
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@Henning
What would you ask MAI?
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[quote@Henning
What would you ask MAI?[/quote]
If it's ok, then I am going to wait until tomorrow ... I am having an examination tomorrow! :-o
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"I would ask them for their side of the story with respect to the now infamous Bill Buck posting on Moobunny..."
I second that.
Are there any bugs in the Articia?
I also second the question about support for the PPC 970
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Yeah i have a number of questions. :)
1) Is AGP 8x planned?
2) Is there any 'faster' than 333MHz memory support planned for a future chipset?
3) Mac's have some nice (custom) chipsets, will MAI ever put them to shame? :)
4) There has been some talk in the Amiga community (ok alot of talk) about DMA errors on the Arctia and a new revision of the chipset was reciently released. It's been said the problem is only a driver issue with linux and others have said its the Arctica itself. Can you give any info (technical or otherwise) to help clear up the DMA questions?
5) Will there be support for the IBM 970 and any variants that pop up in the future?
6) Speed, speed, speed. Where is MAI going with the chipset in regards to this?
Hmm, i can't think of anything else...
7) Marry-Ann or Ginger? :)
Ivan
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Jose wrote:
"I would ask them for their side of the story with respect to the now infamous Bill Buck posting on Moobunny..."
I second that.
Are there any bugs in the Articia?
I also second the question about support for the PPC 970
And I'll add this .. If you asked Microsoft "Does WindowsXP have any security flaws?" what kind of answer do you think you would get? Would MAI be any different from Microsoft in their answer?
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Mary-Ann of course! :-D
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>Question for MAI.
MAI had received "Ready for IBM Technology" certificate.
I had asked IBM Software Division about porting AIX to MAI Logic based motherboards, similar to IBM porting AIX to Bull's PowerPC based products:
Official statement from IBM:
MAI Logic based motherboards ARE NOT COMPATIBLE with AIX. It is impossible to port AIX to MAI LOGIC motherboards!
What is THE MEANING of "Ready for IBM Technology"?
Is MAI Logic products ready for AIX, one of IBM's Technology?
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Sorry for answering questions, but ...
What is THE MEANING of "Ready for IBM Technology"?
Is MAI Logic products ready for AIX, one of IBM's Technology?
The IBM Technology MAI Logic products is ready for, is IBM PowerPC processors!!!
There are 3 different "Ready for IBM Technology" solutions ... have a look http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/solutions/rfit/ (http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/solutions/rfit/) ... and AIX is not one of them!!!
Here (http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/products/rfit/) you can see that the "Articia S Chipset", "Teron CX" and "Teron PX" is ready for IBM PowerPC processors!
You can also just take a look at the website of MAI Logic (http://www.mai.com) ... look at the "Ready for IBM Technology" thing ... look a bit south ;-) PowerPC microprocessor
:-D
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They don't seem to be very well known outside of the Amiga community:
Googlism (http://www.googlism.com/index.htm?ism=MAI&type=1) "Who is MAI?"
Googlism for: mai
mai is mia
mai is down
mai is not just another free trade agreement
mai is potentieel antisemitisch
mai is no ?conspiracy theory?
mai is potentially antisemitic
mai is bad for labor
mai is a city built on the roots of a traditional heritage
mai is not dead
mai is moving
mai is beutiful
mai is a web site for made business online
mai is a real
mai is in ftaa
mai is changing its name to holcim
mai is "iredeemable" says ndp
mai is one of the greatest duellists in the world
mai is the belle of the ball
mai is thailand?s
mai is een achtergrond verhaal van riksjaonline
mai is mia by janice harvey
mai is the death knell for australian sovereignty
mai is still alive
mai is not dead watch out for it
mai is a city built on the roots of a traditional heritage that dig deep into the soil of time
mai is ???
mai is ditched
mai is also renowned for its diversity of local handicrafts
mai is a preferred agent with a proven track record in problem solving
mai is in ftaa by connie fogal to all citizens
mai is located close to the historical walled city and below mount suthep
mai is an ancient walled city that is beautiful and charming
mai is the dominant city in northern thailand
mai is "iredeemable" says ndp
mai is the principal northern city and is a good base from which to explore the surrounding countryside
mai is a most attractive destination with sights and charms peculiar to itself and the picturesque
mai is an intriguing city full of wats
mai is located in the north of thailand
mai is the multilateral agreement on investments
mai is dead ? struggle goes on das multilaterale investitionschutzabkommen in der krise
mai is on the top of the axe
mai is the second city of thailand
mai is irene
mai is not dead yet
mai is the perfect example of that
mai is a binding treaty between the 29 oced
mai is the belle of the ball ha noi ? luu ngoc mai is the only woman among the five shortlisted footballers for the prestigious golden ball award given
mai is thailand?s principal northern city
mai is thailand's second largest city
mai is not the small mountain town that is advertised
mai is a different pace from bangkok
mai is cultureel gezien zeer interessant want er zijn binnen en buiten de stadsmuren wel meer dan 300 tempels
mai is nonetheless modern and friendly
mai is completely unbalanced
mai is the rice that is grown and purchased by the government according to a plan
mai is a bill of rights for international giants
mai is thailand's favourite city
mai is found in the upper area of thailand's northern
mai is a perfect example
mai is now posted on the public citizen website
mai is
mai is indeed the lovely 'rose of the north'
mai is multilateral agreement on investments
mai is currently being negotiated through the organization for economic co
mai is dead
mai is administratively divided into amphoes or districts
mai is the main town of northern thailand in latitude 17 15' n
mai is renowned for its cool and refreshing climate
mai is to facilitate the movement of capital across international borders
mai is so much engrassed intheir worship
mai is quite simply
mai is bordered by chiang rai
mai is proud that her father fought in the american war
mai is still surrounded by a moat
mai is een stuk schoner en rustiger dan bangkok
mai is overrun with trekkers
mai is thailand's second largest city with a district population of more than 1
mai is in suite 241
mai is set in the midlands
mai is the country's best haven for handicrafts
mai is around
mai is between september and march
mai is the department of mathematics at linköping university in sweden
mai is certainly developing into a very modern city
mai is one manifestation of the era of globalization which is upon us now
mai is perhaps the most pleasant city for those who seek the combination of a large ex
To the world at large; MAI is the second city of thailand
MAI is Irene
MAI is not dead yet!!
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Forgive my obvious ignorance, but ....
Why Via 686B which has problems ... Hey, I even had to dump a brand new MoBo (Asus Cuv4x) because of that Poxy Chipset a couple of YEARS[/i] back.
Why not KT400 ??
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@ The_Editor
The South bridge for KT400 is the VT8235 (http://www.via.com.tw/en/apollo/VT8235.jsp)
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Seems pretty Kewl to me, Henning (thanks for that link).
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@The_editor
Because the 686A (used in the original Teron)
doesn't have those bugs (but also only UDMA66),
is/was cheap and easy to connect to the NB ?
Because back than noone at MAI even thought about
turning that design into a consumer-product, and
such minor troubles didn't hurt much on a eval-board ?
Maybe becaues Eyetech have neither the cash nor
the knowledge to design a mobo with another NB from
ground, to avoid those toubles ?
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Jep ;-)
Your welcome :-)
But I think one problem might be the 8X V-link (looks like it is the link between North and South) have a look at the KT400 (http://www.via.com.tw/en/apollo/kt400.jsp) page :-?
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@ Kronos.
Thankyou for enlightening me.
It seems a shame that its always the " That'll be good enough " philosophy always seems to be used !!
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@Kronos
Do you believe it is better to use the VT8231 used in the Pegasos??? I do not!!!
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@hnl_dk
What is wrong with the 8231 used in the Pegasos?
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@Henning
The VT8231 in it's current (latest) revision
does not have any critical bugs, perfoms just
as good (if not better) than the 686B (with a
SW-based bugfix), offers more features and uses
less power.
But no no no, that is not the true path and
most therefore be wrong :-P
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@Kronos
As far as I remember (from IA32), the VT8231 has/had at least a voltage problem, and has/had the same DMA problems, as the VT82C686B is told to have.
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:-o
no wonder some people are having trouble getting their amigaones!
mai is still surrounded
mai is set in the midlands by a moat
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vortexau wrote:
They don't seem to be very well known outside of the Amiga community:
Googlism (http://www.googlism.com/index.htm?ism=MAI&type=1) "Who is MAI?"
Googlism for: mai
Googlism for: takemehomegrandma
Sorry, Google doesn't know enough about takemehomegrandma yet.
... yeah, that "googlism" is really a worthful resource! :-P :-D
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http://www.googlism.com/index.htm?ism=amigaone&type=1 :-D
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Googlism for: olegil
olegil is one lucky man
olegil is standi ng here
olegil is standing here
olegil is dead
olegil is mortally wounded
Hehe. 4 out of 5 (really 3 out of 4, one space doesn't make a summer swallow. Or something) is from roleplaying where someone has posted logs to their webpage. The last comes from a quote around September, I think. Of course, the major part of hits on Google for my name are Norwegian pages, so won't fit that well with googlism :-)
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@hnl_dk
Yeap the 1st revision had the same probs as the
686B, but since the the 8231 was brand new and
targeted for high-price-devices (laptops) while the
686 was allready on its way out they fixed the 8231.
You won't find a "VIA_DMA_bug" in any Pegasos.
It may also be that the 8231 is a bit harder use
for the HW-engineer, but that isn't "our" prob.
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>SMP Question
Hello
AMD had announced that their chipset for Opteron is "stackable" / sizeable for more than 2 CPU SMP.
As an example: 2 CPU with 1 chipset IC, 4 CPU with 2 chipset ICs, 6 CPU with 3 chipset ICs etc.
Is it possible for MAI to design and create future PowerPC chipsets with similar capability?
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Googlism
slimjim is a level 51 necromancer and going strong
There you have it.
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SlimJim
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iamaboringperson wrote:
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no wonder some people are having trouble getting their amigaones!
mai is still surrounded
mai is set in the midlands by a moat
/me puts on my long lost brummy accient.
Bl**dy typical that... people in the midlands always get sh@fted.
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1.. How many employees does MAI have?
2.. Who does the manufacturing for MAI or is it in house?
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@Kronos
Yeap the 1st revision had the same probs as the
686B, but since the the 8231 was brand new and
targeted for high-price-devices (laptops) while the
686 was allready on its way out they fixed the 8231.
I don't want to start another flame thread, but only a clarification.
I have found this statement in a Linux forum, in a message from a systems engineer
to someone working at SuSe Labs:
(http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0203.1/0660.html)
"686 rev 40/41 and VT8231 rev 10/11 have the PCI corruption bug!"
What does this exactly mean? What revision of VT8231 is used on the Pegasos?
Ferrán