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[hbarcellos]

I'm really glad they took the idea from XEROX. XEROX would not do anything with that and evolution would be delayed. I'm not a fan of Apple, but they did the same with iPODs, touch-screen phones, digital music distribution and software distribution. I could even say that Jobs did all that, not Apple. Now Apple will live from Jobs legacy for a while just incrementally boosting specs of what they already did until they became too expensive and arrogant to compete with the others just like what happened back in the early 90s.
In my opinion Microsoft will prevail once again. Google needs a new "good" CEO and Facebook's fate is ORKUT...

[hbarcellos]

That's just pathetic brand tribalism and irresponsible consumerism to boot. Why don't you put your keyboard in that microwave oven and set it to 10 minutes?

C'mon guys, can't we discuss with ARGUMENTS! Instead of pure stupid passion?
A guy was saying that a non-smartphone is enough... Right, just like an old guy from the 80s saying that Amiga was bull**** and a typing machine was enough.

[hbarcellos]

The market made justice to Jobs. He was an idiot, but that does not remove the fact that the guy was a game changer for technology.
Only a small group of individuals still don't see that. Why? Because they once we're right and now, they refuse to learn new stuff and keep fighting for unknown reason. That's quite common in ppl around 40's like us.
Reminds me this:

A group of scientists put five monkeys in a cage, and inside it, they placed a ladder with a bunch of bananas. When one of the monkeys climbed up the ladder to get a banana, they hosed the rest with ice-cold water.

After a while when a monkey climbed on the ladder, it got beaten up by the others.

Later on, none of the monkeys climbed up the ladder to get the bananas, then the scientists replaced one of the monkeys.

The first thing the new monkey did was to climb up the ladder; the rest beat it up right away. After a few beatings, the new monkey did not climb on the ladder at all.

The same thing happened with a second new monkey. The first substitute participated gladly in the beatings. A third monkey was changed with the same results. The fourth and the last one were finally substituted.

Then the scientists had five monkeys that never had been hosed with cold water, yet, they beat up any monkey that tried to reach the bananas.

[hbarcellos]

Sorry to break it to you guys but i am seriously comtemplating buying an iphone5 next week when they come out. My reasons are:

1 - I need a new phone. My Blackberry is about shot. It is 2G internet only (useless for internet), crap reception, broken buttons, cracked screen, annoying design flaws, Etc.

2 - I have decided on either a Samsung Galaxy s3 or an iphone5. Tough one. But i think i am leaning over to the iphone. Here's why:

I'm sick of everybody dissing Apple for everything. Today i watched on Youtube comparisons between the Galaxy 3 and the iphone 4s and then read the comments below. It's all filled with hate comments against Apple. I can't decide who is worse, the Apple fanbhoys or the haters? I think at the moment there are definitely more haters than lovers of Apple. If you ask me it's getting a little tiresome. Mention Apple then the haters come flying in from all directions with abuse at the mere mention of Apple. I dislike Apple as much as any hater but and i am going to get the iphone just to annoy the haters. They are starting to get on my nerves  :rant:

I would take the iPhone 5 too.
Reason? I love operating systems. I love to try several different flavors: BeOS, QNX, MorphOS, AROS, Bootable Amithlon, Linux (even compiling everything from scratch like Gentoo) and even SymbOS on my MSX Turbo-R.
But for my phone?? I just want something that works, something fast, responsive and easy to use. Android is not even close the iOS on that. Even on a marvelous hardware like the S3  lags behind the 4S or even the iPhone4.
As I said before, maybe new Nokia's would offer a similar experience.

*Not to mention that the tight control on official app distribution + few differences on HW models for developers makes the software base way more stable.
And, to sweeten the pie, as Developers make more money on the iOS, software offer is BETTER...

[hbarcellos]

This also applies to the haters of Apple. Mention Apple or iphone, whatever, and the haters come running in abusing anything that can be associated with Crapple. My question is who is worse? Apple zealots, or the Apple haters?
:rant:

As someone once said: Too far east is already west.
Absolutely no difference. Anything not based on "arguments" or "facts" is just crap coming from people that's lazy enough not to even think on their own opinion or ideas.

In my humble opinion, the only "non conditional love" you're allowed to have is with your offspring.

[hbarcellos]

Check your computing history: Xerox put the Alto on sale in 1973, a decade prior to the Lisa.  They released the Xerox Star four years prior to the Macintosh.

The shouting, bespectacled Big Brother in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/OYecfV3ubP8

...speaks of "a garden of pure Ideology".  Now you tell me if that doesn't sound like the entirely closed off "world" of iDevices and the AppStore, where Apple will kick handicapped children if it suits them

One more note about Xerox: they gave the Alto and later Star away to schools that just asked for them.  Apple dropped all charitable offerings on Jobs' orders when he came back.

looks like you're discussing good vs evil. Im not.
Takes 4 Ps for something to be sucessfull. Apple made three Ps better than xerox with 1/1000 of the money. Became too arrogant and crazy and it was surpassed by Microsoft.
It will happen again...

Im on the go. can discuss more tomorrow...

[hbarcellos]

I dont see as a post pc time. My opinion is that the internet brought a bunch of people to "our world". they were never happy with our machines. they dont like to deal with coding, drivers and configuration options. they want something that works like a blender to send emails, read books, edit pictures and video call their friends. Those guys are leaving with their tablets, and We'll be back to our niche!

too bad for us that, wihout scale, well be back to premium prices

[hbarcellos]

Ahhhhhhhhh, btw, now looks like a major tech/geek news website agrees with me:

http://gizmodo.com/5946425/the-new-apple-it-doesnt-just-work

just to remind everyone:

Takes 4 Ps for something to be sucessfull. Apple made three Ps better than xerox with 1/1000 of the money. Became too arrogant and crazy and it was surpassed by Microsoft.
It will happen again...

[hbarcellos]

You seem to have a mistaken belief that superior products is what determines commercial success. History would seem to disagree.

Me?? Have you took the time to look my previous replies on this topic or you're just randomly replying? What's next? Quote and describe the BETAMAX vs VHS case?

[hbarcellos]

Four P's? What's that? Is it the 7 P's for the marketing mix? :confused:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Ps   ?

That's pure BS to sell more books. 4 P's are more than enough, and, IMHO, some p's are more important than other P's.

'Physical evidence' refers to elements within the store -- the store front, the uniforms employees wear, signboards, etc. 'People' refers to the employees of the organisation with whom customers come into contact with. 'Process' refers to the processes and systems within the organisation that affects its marketing process

Really?

[hbarcellos]

Every time a big company like Apple releases something, this or that tech site will line up to say why it's ****, and all the angry nerds will march in line. They're probably right too.

Meanwhile, Apple laughs all the way to the bank, because this or that theoretical short coming makes no difference whatsoever to whether people buy their newest gadget.

Rune, sorry for the angry reply yesterday. I was a little upset with my 9to7 responsibilities....

Today I also think those angry nerds sleeping in the front of Apple stores are just ridiculous, but it's tough to judge those teenagers/young nerds. We would probably do the same back on the gold Amiga age. The difference is that Commodore was just not competent enough in marketing (the 4 or 7 P's).
BTW, I strongly think that the BEST marketing mix always wins (period).
So, you're right, not always the better product wins....