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Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: Hyperion announces OS 3.1 update
« on: November 13, 2017, 06:02:41 PM »
Beyond the new version number, that post is pretty short on info.  :(
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Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: Hyperion announces OS 3.1 update
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2017, 03:28:26 PM »
Will this also include all the updates that were part of "3.X"?
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Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: Hyperion announces OS 3.1 update
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2017, 10:02:00 PM »
Quote from: Thomas Richter;833132
The HDToolBox is such an example: There are currently no resources to re-implement a reaction-based HDToolBox as found in 3.9. There will be, however, a HDToolBox that looks as bad as the 3.1 version (sigh), but it handles big partitions fine, is able to enable the DirectSCSI flag of the FFS, switch on the long-filename support....

So, things work right, but the GUI is not as fancy as it could.

I'll be very interested to see if the HDToolBox (and other utilities) from 3.9 work with 3.1.4 (or 3.14).  I guess time will tell.  ;)
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Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: Hyperion announces OS 3.1 update
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2017, 01:45:45 PM »
Quote from: nyteschayde;833151
My A600 for example doesn't have an O20 or greater in it. This means 3.5/3.9+ are off limits. This is true for a lot of systems that 3.1ish works on. I hope the 3.1.4 or 3.14 update works with 68000 3.1 ROM'ed Amigas as well.


People need to let the 68000 go, lol. :lol:
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Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: Hyperion announces OS 3.1 update
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2017, 02:31:43 PM »
On an unrelated thought, where's that troll who used to always say you should never upgrade your Amiga to 3.1? Haven't heard from him in a while. Wonder how he feels about all this? :laughing:
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Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: Hyperion announces OS 3.1 update
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2017, 05:50:10 PM »
Quote from: Thomas Richter;833207
Yes. Actually, we have currently three. DOS/6 has long file names, but OFS block layout. DOS/7 has long file names and FFS block layout. DOS/6 and DOS/7 are exactly as in AmgiaOs 4, but unfortunately not backwards comaptible to DOS/0 and DOS/1. Olaf is currently working on a new DiskDoctor to address this issue.

Then we have another stranger, and this is DOS/8 which will probably go. The fun part about it is that DOS/8 was "sort of present" already in the Os 3.9 version, but there not fully functional. It has 54 character long file names (so more than the usual 30), but is backwards compatible in the sense that the block layout is just like the one in DOS/1, except that unused fields are populated with the extra characters, so old tools will at worst damage the file name, but nothing else.

Probably we'll keep DOS/8 inofficial, as it used to be.

It will be interesting to compare these with PFS/SFS.  Any predictions which will be "better"?
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Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: Hyperion announces OS 3.1 update
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2017, 02:04:21 AM »
Quote from: QuikSanz;833389
How about rewrite that piece of code and set the start date at Jan 1 2015?


Heck, set it for 1/1/2000. Probably would still outlast all of us at that point. ;)
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Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: Hyperion announces OS 3.1 update
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2017, 09:34:18 PM »
Quote from: jsixis;833892
every time they upgrade 3.1 they make it slower.

That's called "adding features".  But you know, if you don't want that, I hear 1.3 is really fast. :laughing:
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Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: Hyperion announces OS 3.1 update
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2017, 05:15:05 PM »
Quote from: kolla;834539
Considering the large number of Amiga FFS implementations, one would think it's a well understood filesystem.


We have an awful lot of file systems for such a small market. ;)
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Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: Hyperion announces OS 3.1 update
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2018, 09:45:29 PM »
Quote from: Thomas Richter;834596
That is, of course, the plan. There is nothing like "new fancy toys" in the making that would potentially break compatibility.

Russian proverb, "New is first enemy of old".  :lol:
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Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: Hyperion announces OS 3.1 update
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2018, 02:40:00 PM »
Quote from: Thomas Richter;837634
We got "Ed" fixed up. This is really a pretty screwy program - probably because it came from BCPL and was "translated automatically to C". Or at least, the code looks like that. Good part: Ed can now run in the same shell window it was called from, and can be run over "AUX:", i.e. a serial connection.

So, all the usual: Bug fixes, and lots of work.

Nice!  Looking forward to seeing which of these programs I can "hack" to work under my existing 3.9 installs.  Maybe someone should write a guide.  ;)

Would be nice if PFS3 was made the default file system, but I can't really see such a "radical change" being adopted by the community as a whole.  :lol:
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Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: Hyperion announces OS 3.1 update
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2018, 05:10:36 PM »
Quote from: Thomas Richter;838683
Stability and consistency are more important than features.

Mmmm.  Then what's the point in developing a new version at all?  As the saying goes, you've gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet. :lol:
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Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: Hyperion announces OS 3.1 update
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2018, 02:54:59 PM »
Quote from: LoadWB;838765
I'm in.  Shut up and take my money :)

+1  :hammer:


I guess the real world question to this will be, when you say "It doesn't include Reaction, etc." - will it take some steps to remove them from an already configured 3.9 system?  Will it overwrite the 3.9 Reaction-based tools with something (arguably) inferior?  Etc.  Guess we will have to wait and see, eh?  ;)
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Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: Hyperion announces OS 3.1 update
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2018, 07:13:19 PM »
Quote from: Thomas Richter;838770
Yes. And Yes. Our prefs are GadTools based.

Make a complete backup before running the install script.  Got it.  :biglaugh:
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Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: Hyperion announces OS 3.1 update
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2018, 02:00:04 AM »
Quote from: Munchkin;838788
I'm to tired to read the entire thread. I just want to ask if this conflicts with OS 3.9? Not that I would live or die with 3.9, I just would prefer not to start all over with a fresh install.

Just read the last page worth of comments, then.  They all refer to 3.9.  :smack:
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