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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Announcements and Press Releases => Topic started by: Acill on January 15, 2005, 11:06:47 PM
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Here are some things we will do:
We will continue to support MorphOS application development. We will provide boards and the ODW to Developers that we see will use them best.
We will continue to support MDC and MZ.
We will continue to bundle 1.4.x with the ODW. The SuperBundle will be slimmed down and focused on just a few apps.
We will support a high bandwidth download server for special distributions of new MorphOS applications.
Whatever happens to the core team of developers - they form a company, they sell 1.5, they work together with the OS4 community, etc., etc. and/or whatever, we will not impede them in any way. There will be no claims related to anything done or supported in the past - that goes for Amiga Inc. too. Good luck!
We hope all the parties concerned will find a successful future. If one day we find a potential and profitable opportunity for MorphOS we will do our best to pull things back together.
R&B
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wow!
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OMG!!! my heart is now broken . . . snif . . .
OK . . i'm fine now.
Good luck to the NEW and "clean" MOS team :-)
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It sure sounds good... Can we get a comment from the development team on the immediate effects of this?
Note that the following is unsubstantiated conjecture, and should be taken as such:
There will be no claims related to anything done or supported in the past
This part has me worried that they still haven't paid them and are now just cutting them loose.
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Mac Mini port anyone?
I'd pay £100 for a copy.
OSX/Linux/MorphOS/OS4Emu all on one box. Heaven! :-D
Oh, and Windows XP native for PPC is on it's way soon too I've been told.
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Oh, and Windows XP native for PPC is on it's way soon too I've been told.
Yeah, at about the same time MorphOS 1.5 is released :lol:
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It's already fully running on Mac's right now as we speak.
See here (http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=410&forum=4&post_id=3558#forumpost3558)
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Interesting... I truly wonder how the Blue Butterfly defenders of the faith and haters of all things which go 'boing' are handling the whole mess.
I never say I told you so.
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Or ... how to try to get rid of your obligations in a way that seems acceptable to people.
Staf.
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It's already fully running on Mac's right now as we speak.
Wow, I didn't know that. I wonder if apple ever allows them to release it, but I strongly doubt it..
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what's the source of this information?
looking att www.morphos.org and www.morphos.net it seems like the developers of MorphOS aren't very happy with genesis...
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Mac Mini port anyone?
YES!! But why limit it to only the Mac Mini?
Also £100 is a bit steep since OS X will cost about the same. MorphOS should be cheaper than OS X.
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>> There will be no claims related to anything
>> done or supported in the past
> This part has me worried that they still
> haven't paid them and are now just cutting
> them loose.
Standard operating procedure for BBRV, well documented across the board, with many examples including myself.
Personally, I'm very glad to see MorphOS free to expand without the influence (and baggage) of those two.
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I figured if I talked with OTR and messed around with PDQ, things would happen just after the REZ was CPD'd. However, the MDA in the SuperBundle found on the CD are now TBDF.
Acronyms - Popular use items used to shorten the meaning of words down to just a few letters. These are best used when the acronyms refer to items everyone knows such as WTF!!!
:pint:
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Kent needs coffee. stat!
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I would be more than happy to pay $100 for MorphOS if it ran on the Mac Mini.
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Or ... how to try to get rid of your obligations in a way that seems acceptable to people.
Probably isn't the first time in the history of the planet that someone has done some work on a project and was not able to sell it. Genesi does not have MOS1.5 and the developers don't have payment for MOS1.5. Incomplete transaction. So the seller will have to find another buyer. MorphOS users will buy it they've already stated this, but the team seems only to want to sell it to a company that has no $$$ right now. Time to expand thinking. :-) :-D
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ooking att www.morphos.org and www.morphos.net it seems like the developers of MorphOS aren't very happy with genesis...
They are understandibly dissapointed that the company that they thought was going to buy their new product ran out of money and could not pay. They need to get over it, realize their losses and move on and find another buyer - even if they need to set up their own server and sell the updates to end users one at a time. I'd buy upgrades! :)
:-D
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ES!! But why limit it to only the Mac Mini?
If it can run on the mini mac, I suspect that it can run on any newworld mac since they are OpenFirmware machines. ??
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Personally, I'm very glad to see MorphOS free to expand without the influence (and baggage) of those two.
Yes. It has a good chance of being better than it ever has been if the developers do it right and re-establish their professional image and sell their product to someone else. Sell distribution rights to someone. Funny thought came to mind....how 'bout H&P. .... they are willing to sell products after the developer pulls the license and declares the product illegal. :)
Anyhows...need to quite posting. After my heart surgery last September... I switched to decaf coffee and it just isn't working for me. :pissed:
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If it can run on the mini mac, I suspect that it can run on any newworld mac since they are OpenFirmware machines. ??
Exactly :-)
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Problem is as I see it, the MorphOS devs are notoriously quiet in public. So until they have all decided what they are gonna do, we'll all just be speculating as per usual.
Who is "MorphOS team" these days anyway. We all know who the individual coders are, but are they all even speaking to each other right now after what David did with morphos.net?
Correct me if i'm wrong, but I'm sure BBRV said recently that Ralf Schmidt is a shareholder in Genesi.
Interesting times are ahead..........
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I would be more than happy to pay $100 for MorphOS if it ran on the Mac Mini.
£100 is about $190! ;-)
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£100 is about $190!
Yikes! :-o
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Problem is as I see it, the MorphOS devs are notoriously quiet in public.
Yeah, unlike bbrv they seem to have a professional attitude ;)
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I would buy morphos if it ever gets released for the amigaone would love a dual boot system with morphos and os4.
what ever happens i wish the developers all the best :-)
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Funny thought came to mind....how 'bout H&P. .... they are willing to sell products after the developer pulls the license and declares the product illegal. :)
Plus they have, in the past, helped Ralph with his Morphos project, along the same lines.
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If they put out MorphOS as an OS that will would run on most modern PPC machines (Macs, A1, Peg) I think It would sell. I know alot of Mac geeks that would buy it
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If it came to the Macintosh I would buy it.
If OS4 comes to the Macintosh even better.
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I would buy MorphOS for Mac Mini, if there was any compelling reason to do so.
To be frank, I'm not aware of it having any advantages, now, or even planned.
I would be glad to be corrected. If it runs amiga software a little better...ok, for a few remaining amigans that would be good.
but I think people are talking in terms of an expanding market...so for the rest of the world, why should they bother?
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@mdma
Good point about mos devs being quite in public. The thing is when you say things in 'public' in the amiga community you can get crucified for it..
Morphos Is Not Dead!
Many developers actively develop both the OS components and 3rd party apps/ports.
It has only been a couple of months, everyone is panicking. Did you all sell your Amiga's when CBM went bankrupt?
MOS started with no company and can continue with no company support.
magnetic
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MOS did start with no company..not until Company did it grow very rapidly. Move MOS to the Mac.
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Mac port PLEASE!!! this is awsome, good luck to the MorphOS team, your FREE!!! :)
BTW, did they ever bother to pay them for there work?
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Mac port PLEASE!!!
This has always been a possibility. There didn't need to be a breakdown with Genesi for it to happen. Neko has talked about a MorphOS+game on a live CD for MacOS, for example, as a way to break into that market. But the Pegasos version has had priority. I imagine the reason a native port didn't happen so far is due more to an analysis of the prospects for viability than anything else. Why are the Hyperion guys also down on the idea of a Mac port of AmigaOS?
your FREE!!!
Uh, yeah. Free to give up coding time and energy to also do promotion and sales. And we all know what a public group those core MOS coders are, right? They'll love the opportunity to be out there making the flights, pressing the flesh and making the deals, for sure. ;-) Seriously, Genesi has spent a lot of time and energy getting MorphOS, along with the Pegasos, into the hands of big companies, getting industry exposure, attending Amiga shows in Europe and America (at least back when there was a sense that the market offered some opportunities), getting free and subsidized hardware and the OS to developers, and so on. I could be wrong but I believe I saw the figure of US$500,000 put into MOS development and promotion over the years (I imagine this includes Pegasos promotion where the two coincided). That the MOS developers are "free" now to take on this job on their own is a mixed blessing at best, I'd say.
Of course if there are opportunities that were formerly denied (though I don't know what they'd be) and now they can be grabbed, that's great. I'm really interested to see where they go from here. Keep in mind, though, that the BBRV "announcement" was titled "Brainstorming." I think it was more in the line of getting ideas rolling than an actual business proposal (which should be made directly to those involved).
did they ever bother to pay them for there work?
Partially, from what people have said. But it isn't clear what the payment arrangement was for MorphOS. Genesi says they have paid for what has been released, but won't pay for what has not been completed. I don't know if that's just an excuse not to pay for 1.5 'cause there's no money, or if there was an agreement that the payment would come when 1.5 was completed and released. AFAIK, nothing has been made public about the work agreements of the MOS developers or payment schedule, etc. for MorphOS.
-- gary_c
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If it can run on the mini mac, I suspect that it can run on any newworld mac since they are OpenFirmware machines. ??
If it was only about OpenFirmware, MOS would already run on the Mac as the Pegasos has OpenFirmware too.
But this is not all, you still need drivers for the OS, so you need - more or less - drivers for every single Mac.
Ciao, Alfred
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Neko has talked about a MorphOS+game on a live CD for MacOS
BBRV also talked about that, but I'm pretty sure that this should be a MOS version hosted on MacOS as I doubt that they will ever be able to write drivers for the hardware of every single Mac.
Ciao, Alfred
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"If it was only about OpenFirmware, MOS would already run on the Mac as the Pegasos has OpenFirmware too.
But this is not all, you still need drivers for the OS, so you need - more or less - drivers for every single Mac."
I'd be happy with mere support for the Mac mini, the only mac the blue collar man can afford.
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anyway some of the mos chief developers owns stocks of bplan company that in fact is today connected to genesis, situation isn't clear. we don't know even the kind of licensing that genesis has on mos 1.4.
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I'd gladly pay $200 for a Powerbook version of MOS. It'd be a dream come true.
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Ya me too. I'd rather for out a coule hundred to support an OS, than to fork out over a thousand to support outdated, unknown, doomed to extintion hardware. :)