$799 Pegasos II ODW; 200-Euro Peg I to Peg II upgrade offer

[System]

@DJBase,

So your defense of overpriced, antiquated hardware is that you have nothing better?

I will admit that $799 for a complete machine isn't a "bad" deal and it's definitely a step in the right direction, it would be a lot better deal if it were  realistic hardware and not early 2003 specs.

For the same $799, I could build a hell of a PC, or even buy a top-end Mac Mini which may still run a G4, but has modern USB and other modern stuff.

(I do not intend to disparage bPlan at all.  I understand it's impossible for a small shop to keep up with constantly updated hardware specs, but at the same time, they can't claim "small shop" and "competitive" in the same breath).

Wayne

[System]

@DJBase

$499, or maybe even $599 might have swayed my opinion, but I just saw a higher-powered laptop for less than $650 that I would buy much faster than an "Old Dead Workstation" (not my term, but I like it)

Wayne

[zacman]

>For the same $799, I could build a hell of a PC,
>or even buy a top-end Mac Mini which may still
>run a G4, but has modern USB and other modern
>stuff.

Ok, let's compare the macmini offer to the ODW
offer.

While you are right, that the mac mini has in some
areas the more modern hardware you can easily find
out, that it hasn't in other areas.

At the Apple site the "high tech" mac mini costs
599usd. In this configuration the mac mini neither
has 512mb ram nor a SuperDrive. If you want to
have a superdrive and 512mb ram you have to pay
749USD at the official Apple web store.

However in that configuration the mac mini still
has no 16x Dual Layer SuperDrive (only 4x Single
Layer), still has no gigabit ethernet port, and
only has a 32MB Radeon 9200 graphics card
while the ODW uses a 128MB Radeon 9250 card. Also
you have to wait up to 8 business days for
shipping while the ODW is available right now.

[System]

@zac,

Yes, but the Mac Mini has an OS used by millions, over 100,000 active developers, an active community, and more importantly, a future.  At least until 2007, at which time I'm almost certain they will be building a x86 replacement of sorts.

Wayne

[adolescent]

I'll vouch for Directron being a good company to deal with.  I've bought literally thousands of dollars of stuff from them over the years.

[krize]

Its a very good offer! I want a new system and this is very tempting for me..

x56h34: Did you mail them and ask about the shipping ? Too bad if they only ship that way

[Argo]

$200 for UPS brokerage fees (aka please bend over so that we could stick it up your arse fee).

For buying a product from a company that does business in the US and supposedly has a physical business location in the US. That's obsurd! Are these being drop shipped from China!

[ironfist]

Apple is dead. Piracy will kill them off. OSX will
be hacked for everyone to use, no question about
that.

If they had problems with piracy before, they can't
imagine what they'll have now..

[adolescent]

@Argo

Directron is a US company, located in the US.  I don't understand the hostility, it's UPS charging the brokerage fee, not Directron or Genesi.

[System]

Piracy is just part of the game for every platform.  The only real thing to do about it is to get in-roads into business, and to keep working to secure it.

Remember, they said x86, not "PC" which means that the systems they deliver could have absolutely nothing to do with everyday PC's except the accessories (cards, mem, drives, etc).  In other words, you can bet your ass that it'll be a proprietary motherboard which would probably prohibit OSX from being used on a generic board.

The difference is, Apple will do things the right way.

Wayne

[x56h34]

The $200USD is my estimated number, which I assume that UPS would add to the total amount. It doesn't have to do anything with Genesi or anyone else other than UPS.

UPS always does that, no matter how big or small your imported package is. They charge canadian/ontario pst and gst taxes to any package that comes into Canada (that's 15% added to the total cost) plus their inflated brokerage fee, which would add around $200 extra to the order. :-(

[zacman]

>Yes, but the Mac Mini has an OS used by millions

The ODW is designed for Linux development. Those
that buy the ODW aren't interested in MacOS.
They only compare the machines by its specs and the
fact if Linux is actively supported on it. And
obviously the ODW has a better standing there than
the macmini.

[TheMagicM]

one hell of a deal.  hopefully they sell enough units to "make up" with the rest of the MOS team so they can continue on.

[Acill]

payment in advance . . . . brrrrrrv!

These systems come from Directron NOT Genesi. Directron is a huge hardware dealer. you have nothing to worry about at all. Becides I have never had a problem with Genesi. Framiga I believe you said when the Pegasos II first came out and I ordered it I would never see it? 4 days later it was at my house.

[Argo]

If they are all US companies, then why is there a brokerage fee?

[Argo]

@x56h34
Okay, I assumed since you mentioned the USPS that you were in the US.