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Coffee House => Coffee House Boards => CH / Entertainment => Topic started by: redrumloa on February 17, 2004, 12:44:26 PM
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Damage Plan (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=Bjtkzikzsbb29) is the new project of ex-Pantera's Dimebag and Vinnie. Very, very good! GO BUY IT NOW!
Since I'm making recomendations, here is an album to AVOID AT ALL COSTS (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=UIDCASS80402170740231670&sql=A3dq8g40ztv6z)! I have no idea why this had good revues! Most of the album was absolutely the worst crap I have ever lsitened to hands down. Track 4 "Flying" is quite good (and it is a ballad), but that is about it.
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Feel the base! uhn-tss, uhn-tss, uhn-tss, uhn-tss, uhn-tss, uhn-tss, uhn-tss, uhn-tss!
I got to admit. I keep to older stuff if I have to listen to rock. :)
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When I saw that title and the poster my immediate thought was:
"That bugger, I was gonna post that!"
Then I read it's a different band you're talking about ;-)
I've been thinking about getting Damage Plan's album for a wee while, from what I've read about it, it does sound good :-)
Thatnks for the warning, but I'll be avoiding that Living Colour album anyways - I never really liked them.
Another album for you guys to buy:
Probot (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=UIDCASS80402170740231670&sql=Aag2gtq2zzu4o)
Don't be put off that it's Dave Grohl's side project - it sounds nothing like the Foo's. Each song has a different singer...
Cronos, Max Cavalera, Lemmy, Mike Dean, Kurt Brecht, Lee Dorian, Wino, Tom G Warrior, Snake, Eric Wagner and King Diamond.
It's heavy as hell! 8-)
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Thanks for the suggestion, I may check it out!
Tom G Warrior
Really?!?
/me sings in his best Billy Milano voice "Whatever happen to Celtic Frost, is it true that they got lost?"
Lee Dorian
umm.. Napalm Death Lee Dorian, or Cathedral Lee Dorian?:-p
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Vincent wrote:
I've been thinking about getting Damage Plan's album for a wee while, from what I've read about it, it does sound good :-)
"Damage Plan"... I dunno, it sounds like they're trying to break into the DC emo scene! :lol:
Seriously, why do people choose such horrible names for their new bands? It just seems so half-arsed. The music too, just my opinion, doesn't really go anywhere... :-?
But er, I'm a punk, what do I know about metal? he he :-D
Another album for you guys to buy:
Probot (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=UIDCASS80402170740231670&sql=Aag2gtq2zzu4o)
Don't be put off that it's Dave Grohl's side project - it sounds nothing like the Foo's. Each song has a different singer...
The Foos kicked arse back in 1997... These days, they suck, oh well! But this is definitely something I'll be checking out.
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Seriously, why do people choose such horrible names for their new bands? It just seems so half-arsed.
I don't mind the name. Also just think, metal in it's current form has been around since 1970. In the 34 years that have passed pretty much all the 'cool' names have been taken. I mean shoot, only one band can ever use the name Slayer;-) YOU try to think up a name that hasn't been taken yet!
The music too, just my opinion, doesn't really go anywhere...
Yup, you're a punk guy. I'd say about the same thing about most modern punk. Execpt I'd be even more harsh about modern punk. I don't get it. Most of these bands seem to think it is all about image. Color the hair, dress like 70's punk and all of a sudden you are punk and your music is cool? i don't get it:-)
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I didn't mean that harsh, if it sounded that way. I just don't get most punk like you probably don't get most metal. To each his own, at least it's not POP/RAP/crap/hip-hop!
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redrumloa wrote:
Yup, you're a punk guy. I'd say about the same thing about most modern punk. Execpt I'd be even more harsh about modern punk. I don't get it. Most of these bands seem to think it is all about image. Color the hair, dress like 70's punk and all of a sudden you are punk and your music is cool? i don't get it:-)
Well, if you're thinking of Blink, NOFX, Rancid and their ilk, I agree with you 100%. Except that they're not punk ;-) And real punks have pretty normal hair these days. As I think I've previously indicated, I like some metal. I just happen to hate 85% of all music.
Oh, I was kinda joking with the punk guy statement. Goddamn, I hate my nickname.
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redrumloa wrote:
Thanks for the suggestion, I may check it out!
Tom G Warrior
Really?!?
Yup :-)
/me sings in his best Billy Milano voice "Whatever happen to Celtic Frost, is it true that they got lost?"
"In the pandemonium, never to be seen again."
:lol: I love that song :-)
Tom had his own band Apollyon Sun (I think that's right), but I have absolutely no idea what they were like.
Lee Dorian
umm.. Napalm Death Lee Dorian, or Cathedral Lee Dorian?:-p
Ah, that would be the Cathedral Lee Dorian, I forgot about Napalm's Lee :-)
After listening to this all I keep thinking is "long live the 80s!"
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that_punk_guy wrote:
The Foos kicked arse back in 1997... These days, they suck, oh well! But this is definitely something I'll be checking out.
The Color and the Shape was probably their best album, none of this emo-type stuff they're doing now. Don't look at Probot as a Dave Grohl band - look at it like an 80's compilation featuring Lemmy, Cronos and the others. Each song is different and is in the style of that singer.
It's not like getting a guest vocalist on someone else's song.
In short - if you don't like Lemmy, Cronos, Tom G Warrior, Snake or any of them, don't buy the record :-)
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Record!?! God that makes me sound old :-D
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Vincent wrote:
that_punk_guy wrote:
The Foos kicked arse back in 1997... These days, they suck, oh well! But this is definitely something I'll be checking out.
The Color and the Shape was probably their best album, none of this emo-type stuff they're doing now.
Dude, 'Colour and the Shape' is the real emo-type stuff they did! Trust me on this :-) The new stuff is just weak pop.
Er, to elaborate... you know 'My Hero', that kinda droning guitar lead? Soundwise, that's what people used to call emo, before it became a buzz-word.
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that_punk_guy wrote:
Dude, 'Colour and the Shape' is the real emo-type stuff they did! Trust me on this :-) The new stuff is just weak pop.
Ah right, I must be thinking of the wrong album, not the first time that's happened ;-)
(OT: Erm, is anyone else seeing some pretty insane forum layout screwups...?)
Edit: Vincent, you've got a stray {/quote} tag in your post ;-)
Ta, I wondered why the page screwed up after my post :-)
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Ah, that would be the Cathedral Lee Dorian, I forgot about Napalm's Lee
They would actally be the same guy, believe it or not (you probably knew that). What a change :crazy:
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Sheesh you guys!
I gotta' go find bloodline, he's the only one on here who listens to any of the music I do.
:-)
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@Wain
Didn't you listen too to Philip Glass?
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Yes I do listen to Philip Glass from time to time, it's more just that I am decidedly NOT a fan of metal, punk, Pantera, emo, or anything Grohl's ever touched...but to each his own, I am all for everyone being able to enjoy whatever it is they like.
:-)
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Well, I'm not really a punk/metal fan either.
But what is it what you like about Philip Glass Wain?
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I like the way he uses his motives (motifs depending on where you've been educated) with strings and flutes or clarinets and just runs up a trichord over and over and over again on a loop and still manages to make some really pretty motion out of it.
I LOVE Akhnaton(pardon spelling), the rhythms and meters are so bizarre, it's amazing the way he can bring them full circle into something intelligible to the listener.
and the David Bowie ballet stuff is wonderful. I particularly like what he did with "Heroes"
Eintstein on the Beach is just fascinating (still waiting for a chance to see this, it gets performed here every once in a great while). Of course, any opera with a 20+ minute stage cross AND where the audience members are encouraged to get up and walk around and mingle with each other during the performance can't help but be intriguing.
I dunno', I like lots of stuff about his work, but most of it I can't explain without going into music theory terms, and I don't really know what you know or don't in that regard and would rather not drown you in stuff that may be completely esoteric.
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@wain
What the heck you talking about and in what language? I have no idea what you just said! :huh:
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I saw Napalm Death in London three years ago, one of the best gigs I have ever been to! And yes it is the same Lee Dorrian in Cathedral (who I have also seen live in London a couple of times, they are phat!). Not really into metal now, although I still have a few of the classsics. I went through a lengthy 'art rock' stage not long after that.
And I even like quite a bit of old school hip hop now....
@ Wain
I like Glass' Violin Concerto no 2
The first time I heard it, I was driving home along country lanes at 2am and I had to pull over and turn the stereo up.
His work on Koyanisqaat (sp) is also v good.
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redrumloa wrote:
Ah, that would be the Cathedral Lee Dorian, I forgot about Napalm's Lee
They would actally be the same guy, believe it or not (you probably knew that). What a change :crazy:
I didn't know that. I've only seen Cathedral once - their video for Matthew Hopkins. I think that's the only song I've actually heard by them.
Although I know Napalm Death, I don't have any of their albums (yet!), and I don't know who's in the band. We don't get much ND coverae over here :-(
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Well, the thing about Philip Glass wich I like is the Movements and Metamorphosis. They've give you an atmosphere and rythm wich is very alike nature. When I listen to it I get a bit in trance.
@Redrumloa
Wain was talking about music pieces written by Philip Glass.
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I like Glass' Violin Concerto no 2
hm, never heard of that one. Surely I have to try it.
@Wain & Cyberus
And you guys should try Arvo Pärt. Especially "Trisagion", "Silouan's Song", "Silentium" and "Litany"
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Vincent wrote:
Although I know Napalm Death, I don't have any of their albums (yet!), and I don't know who's in the band. We don't get much ND coverae over here :-(
Don't get much coverage there?!? They are from the UK, and that's where they get most of their coverage! Not that it means very much, they never got much coverage;-)
Lee Dorian was part of the original lineup of ND, since then they have had over 100% turnover. There is not one original band member left. This is a good thing, the current lineup has pretty much been stable for 10+ years and is much better than the original linuep.
Umm.. it's funny, very funny.. I hear Cathedral and I laugh, I can't believe it's the same guy! Go out and get ND Scum, you will be shocked. I like it and it's definately a classic album, but to be honest Lee Dorian sounds like someone being gagged while they have a painful bowl movement. Don't even try to make out the lyrics by listening, it's not going to happen! It all sounds like grunts and groans:-P
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What the heck you talking about and in what language? I have no idea what you just said!
:lol:
Exactly!
I should probably explain here to anyone who doesn't know that I am about to receive a Bachelor of Music degree in Composition. So, sometimes whwn talking about music I tend to run off into the language of Music theoy.
Aside from talking about Philip Glass, I was actually discussing some of what it is he actually does from a Theory or Composer/Music Analyst standpoint.
Ummmm...to make clearer. A Trichord is three notes that all come after one another at some part of a scale. Like C then B then A going downward, or E, F#, G, any three notes so long as they come after one another (there are some nit-picky exceptions that don't matter in the context of my message)
Ummmm, meter is more complicated, it's essentially how Beats are arranged and how they move in a piece.
and Philip Glass has made two albums of work composed of pieces based upon Davie Bowie songs, They are the low Symphony, and the Heroes Symphony.
Akhnaton and Einstein on the Beach are two of the three Operas he has written with Robert Wilson, all three are about a historical figure, and are REALLY wierd shows.
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redrumloa wrote:
Don't get much coverage there?!? They are from the UK, and that's where they get most of their coverage! Not that it means very much, they never got much coverage;-)
:lol: Sad but true :-(
I've been getting Kerrang! constantly for over 10 years and have only seen ND in them a handfull of times. I was also getting Metal Hammer, Terrorizer, Raw and a few others at various times over the years aswell (soon turning to MH full-time - K! is just a tabloid rag now), and I've never seen them in these either except for an album review in MH!
Ok, the UK has some great home-grown bands, but they get crap coverage here now. Take Cradle of Filth. They were the UK's biggest black metal band for years, but all the mags kept going on about Deicide. It took Cradle 3 albums to get noticed here :-(
The Almighty coverage was worse. The Wildhearts are finally getting some coverage again, but it's still crap. Pick up a magazine here and all you can see is Linkin Park, Metallica, Lostprophets, The Strokes, Him, Inme, Slipknot (even though they've been doing bugger all), Eminem(in a metal mag!).
Oh, and another thing about UK mags. Iron Maiden released Dance of Death last year and all we got was a 2-page review. That's for Maiden for smeg's sake! No interviews, no tour news, absolutely bugger all. The UK is utter crap for metal :-(
Anyway, I have majorly digressed, back to the point :-)
Lee Dorian was part of the original lineup of ND, since then they have had over 100% turnover. There is not one original band member left. This is a good thing, the current lineup has pretty much been stable for 10+ years and is much better than the original linuep.
The only name that I know in ND would be Barney, but I don't even know his full name, I just know he's chunky with a frizzy hair cut :-D
Umm.. it's funny, very funny.. I hear Cathedral and I laugh, I can't believe it's the same guy! Go out and get ND Scum, you will be shocked. I like it and it's definately a classic album, but to be honest Lee Dorian sounds like someone being gagged while they have a painful bowl movement. Don't even try to make out the lyrics by listening, it's not going to happen! It all sounds like grunts and groans:-P
Sounds like the stuff I'd like a lot :-D
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redrumloa wrote:
Don't get much coverage there?!? They are from the UK, and that's where they get most of their coverage! Not that it means very much, they never got much coverage;-)
They were on primetime TV once, TFI Friday for folks in the UK. Performing 'you suffer' or 'Life?', I can't remember - one of the two second songs anyway. Oh, and unless their lineup's changed, the two guitarists are American, one of them is Jesse Pintado, from Terrorizer IIRC, can't remember if the other one's from the same band....
Lee Dorian was part of the original lineup of ND, since then they have had over 100% turnover. There is not one original band member left. This is a good thing, the current lineup has pretty much been stable for 10+ years and is much better than the original linuep.
Hmm, would you believe I used to collect Napalm Death stuff? (Well I used to collect the label actually - Earache records). I'm pretty sure they have one original member - Shane Embury the bassist. May I say, when I saw them live, the band were really cool people, they were at the bar before the gig drinking and chatting to the fans.
The ultimate was when they came on stage. There was a guy in front of me smoking a spliff, Barney grabs the mic and says, in his broad brummie accent, "Roight! We're Napalm Death. Let's fookin' have it!". The spliff goes flying into the air and the moshpit erupts to one of the most violent, yet good natured I've been in (both of these things are possible!). I felt like a nineteen year old again!
Umm.. it's funny, very funny.. I hear Cathedral and I laugh, I can't believe it's the same guy!
I couldn't believe it when I first heard it either! Have you heard Cathedral's first album? That is more like the Lee Dorrian of old, very sludgy music with growls.
Go out and get ND Scum, you will be shocked. I like it and it's definately a classic album, but to be honest Lee Dorian sounds like someone being gagged while they have a painful bowl movement. Don't even try to make out the lyrics by listening, it's not going to happen! It all sounds like grunts and groans:-P
How about the second track tho! 'Multinational Corporations, Genocide of the....Starving nations!' Classic!!!
edit: Oh yeah, their original guitarist was none other than Bill Steer, who was also the guitarist with Carcass, the best EVER death metal band IMHO!
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Cyberus wrote:
I'm pretty sure they have one original member - Shane Embury the bassist.
Nope, Nik Bullen and Jim Whiteley played bass on sides one and two (respectively) of 'Scum', according to the sleevenotes here.
edit: Oh yeah, their original guitarist was none other than Bill Steer, who was also the guitarist with Carcass, the best EVER death metal band IMHO!
Hell, yes! :-D
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that_punk_guy wrote:
Cyberus wrote:
I'm pretty sure they have one original member - Shane Embury the bassist.
Nope, Nik Bullen and Jim Whiteley played bass on sides one and two (respectively) of 'Scum', according to the sleevenotes here.
Really? I must admit, I haven't looked at the sleevenotes of my Scum LP, but in the CD I have, which is 'From Enslavement to Obliteration' - It has the whole of Scum on the CD, as well as FEtO plus bonus tracks - it lists Shane Embury as the bassist. In any case, he's been the bassist since 1987, but I didn't realise he didn't play bass on Scum...
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Really? I must admit, I haven't looked at the sleevenotes of my Scum LP, but in the CD I have, which is 'From Enslavement to Obliteration' - It has the whole of Scum on the CD, as well as FEtO plus bonus tracks - it lists Shane Embury as the bassist. In any case, he's been the bassist since 1987, but I didn't realise he didn't play bass on Scum...
Yeah really! Most people think Shane founded the band, but that is a myth. He might as well have been though, because he has been the anchor the band needs.
And yes, they are very cool people even though their politics are way far left for my view:-) I saw them in 2003 playing at a little dump hole in the wall, and before the concert Shane was walking around in front of the club mingling with the crowd. Heck in late 2001 post 9/11 after a concert date was canceled here in FL, he personally responded to a fan email I sent. They are the real deal, real down to earth people just like their fans.
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Vincent wrote:
that_punk_guy wrote:
Dude, 'Colour and the Shape' is the real emo-type stuff they did! Trust me on this :-) The new stuff is just weak pop.
Ah right, I must be thinking of the wrong album, not the first time that's happened ;-)
Umm, I've just realised I sounded like an utter dick just then... sorry :-(
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redrumloa wrote:
And yes, they are very cool people even though their politics are way far left for my view:-)
I still have the t-shirt from the gig. It has "Nazi Punks F**k Off!" on the front (what a classic DK cover!) and a crossed out swastika on the back - saying that, one of my mates has the same shirt and got grief from a couple of guys on the Underground. Anyway, what I was trying to say, is they sure ain't right wing!
I saw them in 2003 playing at a little dump hole in the wall, and before the concert Shane was walking around in front of the club mingling with the crowd. Heck in late 2001 post 9/11 after a concert date was canceled here in FL, he personally responded to a fan email I sent. They are the real deal, real down to earth people just like their fans.
Sounds just like the gig I went to, at the London Astoria 2, just on the corner of Oxford St and Tottenham Court Road in London, a little venue, that made the gig all the more intimate and intense. I trust they failed to disappoint? The one in London was probably the best ever gig I've been to, and this was only a couple of years back, well after I'd finished going through my 'metal stage'.
The only comparable gig would be a 'secret' Sepultura one I went to in 1995, also in the same venue. Had to sleep on the street in London overnight to buy the tickets to that one - well worth it though!
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I trust they failed to disappoint?
Oh, ND do not disapoint! I have only seen ND twice, once back in 1991 and then in 2003. Both times the were absolutely incredible! Back in 1991 they were opening for Sepultura on the "New Titans On The Block" tour. What a concert that was, oooh man. I was right up on the edge of the stage, with a raging pit behind me. I don't remember much, except that I enjoyed ND even more than Sepultura. Hard to remember too much when we killed several 12 packs of beer and a bottle of Jagermeister before the concert began :-o
What a change when i saw them in 2003. I was stone cold sober, and I actually remember the whole set:-D They are all very fat and balding, Barney shaved his head(and looks aweful). But they are the same ND and they kicked ass!
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BTW if you go see Napalm in concert, buy one of their tee-shirts at the show. They really do not make a hell of alot of money with their CDs, it's a small niche market yet they do not sell out. The only place they make any monet is on tee shirt sales at the shows.
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redrumloa wrote:
They are all very fat and balding, Barney shaved his head(and looks aweful). But they are the same ND and they kicked ass!
Barney... bald!?!? Doesn't bear thinking about really :-o
@tpg, no probs :-)