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Title: Haiku R1/Alpha 1 released
Post by: TheMagicM on September 18, 2009, 01:59:28 AM
http://www.haiku-os.org/news/2009-09-13_haiku_project_announces_availability_haiku_r1alpha_1


I downloaded both the ISO and the VMware image.   I think its interesting, boots up real fast in a VM (I'm running a Gateway Core 2 Quad though..lol).  Seems very useable, has a browser (lol) and in general is a-ok.  I havent tried any of the downloadable BeOS apps, just played around with it for a little bit.

Much more useable than any Amiga OS we have right now.
Title: Re: Haiku R1/Alpha 1 released
Post by: persia on September 18, 2009, 04:01:25 AM
Good to see Haiku out there finally.  Congrats to the Haiku team.

Quote from: TheMagicM;523306
http://www.haiku-os.org/news/2009-09-13_haiku_project_announces_availability_haiku_r1alpha_1


I downloaded both the ISO and the VMware image.   I think its interesting, boots up real fast in a VM (I'm running a Gateway Core 2 Quad though..lol).  Seems very useable, has a browser (lol) and in general is a-ok.  I havent tried any of the downloadable BeOS apps, just played around with it for a little bit.

Much more useable than any Amiga OS we have right now.
Title: Re: Haiku R1/Alpha 1 released
Post by: lsmart on September 18, 2009, 06:33:13 AM
Quote from: TheMagicM;523306
http://www.haiku-os.org/news/2009-09-13_haiku_project_announces_availability_haiku_r1alpha_1
Much more useable than any Amiga OS we have right now.


While I think highly of Haiku, this comment is far from appropriate.

If usablility is your only concern: why don´t you use a mac?
There are some aspects of the Amiga system which we like and want to keep. So I´d be curious as to how Haiku has resemblances with the Miggys more than let´s say Linux.

Also AmigaOS and Morphos both have decent browsers today. So that :laughing: comment didn´t resonate with me either.
Title: Re: Haiku R1/Alpha 1 released
Post by: persia on September 21, 2009, 03:47:18 PM
Ok, it's a bit buggy but in general I am impressed, logically organised, responsive with a clean feel.  I have my doubts about anyone giving the big three a run for their money but if anyone does it would be Haiku.  But - It desperately needs a UAE port!
Title: Re: Haiku R1/Alpha 1 released
Post by: the_leander on September 21, 2009, 04:26:46 PM
Quote from: lsmart;523323
While I think highly of Haiku, this comment is far from appropriate.


Whether you like it or not, it's the truth.

I suggest you use this:

(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg311/xXHeartofDarknessXx/butthurt-report-form.jpg)

@Persia

There is a UAE port available on Bebits. Dunno if it's been updated recently however.

--edit--

BeOS version of UAE is available here (http://www.bebits.com/app/3714).

I believe the version that shipped with Zeta was more up to date, though that's not really saying much if I'm honest.
Title: Re: Haiku R1/Alpha 1 released
Post by: Varthall on September 21, 2009, 04:48:54 PM
I'd like to find a review comparing Haiku with OS4.1/MOS, to see which one of them has better/more features.

Varthall
Title: Re: Haiku R1/Alpha 1 released
Post by: odin on September 21, 2009, 07:56:37 PM
Hmm, guess I'll have to give it a try. Such a pity BeOS never became a commercial success.

Explain me one thing though, how does one laugh out *loud* in parentheses?
Title: Re: Haiku R1/Alpha 1 released
Post by: kickstart on September 21, 2009, 08:35:11 PM
Quote from: the_leander;523591
Whether you like it or not, it's the truth.

I suggest you use this:


@Persia

There is a UAE port available on Bebits. Dunno if it's been updated recently however.

--edit--

BeOS version of UAE is available here (http://www.bebits.com/app/3714).

I believe the version that shipped with Zeta was more up to date, though that's not really saying much if I'm honest.


Then the work in browsers for aos4 or morphos is time waste?

Then aos4 or morphos are inusable?

Im stay with amigaos and morphos thanks.
Title: Re: Haiku R1/Alpha 1 released
Post by: Nostalgiac on September 21, 2009, 08:41:03 PM
Quote from: lsmart;523323
While I think highly of Haiku, this comment is far from appropriate.

If usablility is your only concern: why don´t you use a mac?
There are some aspects of the Amiga system which we like and want to keep. So I´d be curious as to how Haiku has resemblances with the Miggys more than let´s say Linux.

Also AmigaOS and Morphos both have decent browsers today. So that :laughing: comment didn´t resonate with me either.


AmigaOS 3.9 ?

Tom UK
Title: Re: Haiku R1/Alpha 1 released
Post by: TheMagicM on September 21, 2009, 09:09:08 PM
Quote from: odin;523601
Explain me one thing though, how does one laugh out *loud* in parentheses?


why dont you figure it out and get back to us.  (LOL)


@persia:
I agree.. a UAE port would be cool.


@whomeverwascryin:

When I said more useable than Amiga OS/MorphOS, I was comparing it to how long its taken them (5 years?) and look where they're at.  Then how long OS4.x and MorphOS has had and where they're at.   Another one is that they're more informational messages about whats going on.   I'm sure this will install on a x86 based Mac Mini...hmmm.   If UAE ends up getting ported, they may have a fan in me.  I know I have a spare x86 based Mac Mini.  :)



@the_leander:
LOL!!!
Title: Re: Haiku R1/Alpha 1 released
Post by: the_leander on September 21, 2009, 09:56:57 PM
Quote from: kickstart;523604
Then the work in browsers for aos4 or morphos is time waste?






:idea:

Nowhere has anyone said that or implied it.

Quote from: kickstart;523604

Then aos4 or morphos are inusable?


No one has said that either.

Quote from: kickstart;523604
Im stay with amigaos and morphos thanks.


Good for you!

Seriously though, what the hell is with all the defensiveness on this?

I'm glad I found that form, it appears there is a definite need for it in this thread.
Title: Re: Haiku R1/Alpha 1 released
Post by: Karlos on September 21, 2009, 10:06:25 PM
@the_leander

I take it you'll be test driving Haiku then?
Title: Re: Haiku R1/Alpha 1 released
Post by: the_leander on September 21, 2009, 10:11:42 PM
Quote from: Karlos;523613
@the_leander

I take it you'll be test driving Haiku then?


What do you mean "will be"? ;)

In terms of reliability it is around the Zeta RC1.3 mark.

In terms of looks... Its more barren then Zeta was, more in line with BeOS which is neither a compliment nor a complaint.

I like where it's going and assuming it gets some power management and wireless I can well imagine this ending up on my EeePC full time.

Dual boot between Haiku and Elive... :afro:
Title: Re: Haiku R1/Alpha 1 released
Post by: Karlos on September 21, 2009, 10:46:18 PM
Quote
What do you mean "will be"?


It's an assumption that you aren't about to stop test driving it in the near future ;)
Title: Re: Haiku R1/Alpha 1 released
Post by: the_leander on September 21, 2009, 10:53:28 PM
Quote from: Karlos;523618
It's an assumption that you aren't about to stop test driving it in the near future ;)


Nice save!:roflmao:
Title: Re: Haiku R1/Alpha 1 released
Post by: Karlos on September 21, 2009, 11:05:12 PM
I didn't get where I am today without pulling defeat from the jaws of a dead horse...
Title: Re: Haiku R1/Alpha 1 released
Post by: kickstart on September 22, 2009, 01:02:34 AM
@the_leander

You talk about ismart post about browsers... or im dreaming and suggesting a stupid test...
Title: Re: Haiku R1/Alpha 1 released
Post by: TheMagicM on September 22, 2009, 04:11:37 AM
dont think that just because I said Haiku was more useable did I think MorphOS or Amiga OS was an inferior OS.  I like them both, just pointing out that Haiku is "compatible" with BeOS binaries just like MorphOS aims to be able to run 68k Amiga OS binaries and like Amiga OS should be (with respect to Amiga OS classic binary compatibility).  All three have a embedded base (shareware, software repositories etc) except our beloved OS of choice takes forever to get to hardware that we want.
Title: Re: Haiku R1/Alpha 1 released
Post by: the_leander on September 22, 2009, 07:41:46 AM
Quote from: kickstart;523625
@the_leander

You talk about ismart post about browsers... or im dreaming and suggesting a stupid test...


Err nope, I didn't mention browsers. Not once anywhere in this thread until this post and I cut the comment short because that was a separate point. There was no test either, so I can only suggest you didn't bother reading one word of what I wrote.

TheMagicM stated that right now, Haiku is more usable then AmigaOS is.

Which is correct. It is.

I still love the old miggy and it holds a place in my heart that no other OS will, but it has limitations that cannot be ignored. Bawwing that pointing it out is inappropriate earned some mockery, likewise your response was equally worthy of ridicule.
Title: Re: Haiku R1/Alpha 1 released
Post by: persia on September 22, 2009, 02:08:00 PM
I really like Haiku, they didn't just blindly recreate Beos, they gave it a few modern feature as well.  It's hardware requirements are low, it's organisation logical and yet it's not completely foreign to users of modern OSs.  I know the concentration right now is on developing a desktop version but I hope they consider making a version for mobile devices.

In a way it's a lot like what I would have expected from Amiga OS had it's owners survived the '90s and continued to develop the OS.
Title: Re: Haiku R1/Alpha 1 released
Post by: the_leander on September 22, 2009, 02:45:07 PM
Quote from: persia;523657
I really like Haiku, they didn't just blindly recreate Beos, they gave it a few modern feature as well.  It's hardware requirements are low, it's organisation logical and yet it's not completely foreign to users of modern OSs.  


Yup, its not as bulked out as Zeta was, but not so bare as BeOS... It's its own thing.

Quote from: persia;523657

I know the concentration right now is on developing a desktop version but I hope they consider making a version for mobile devices.


So, a HaikuIA alike? Speaking of which... Somewhere around here I still have my BeIA image build tools. Some very cool stuff was made just prior to Be Inc's death. Tbh with the use of either webkit or firefox one could probably reproduce BeIA in a purely OSS form (the original BeIA used Opera 4 as the basis for it's gui)

:afro:

Quote from: persia;523657

In a way it's a lot like what I would have expected from Amiga OS had it's owners survived the '90s and continued to develop the OS.


Given that it took more then a few pointers from AmigaOS (amongst others), it's hardly surprising that it has similar features.  :)
Title: Re: Haiku R1/Alpha 1 released
Post by: mr_a500 on September 22, 2009, 07:51:34 PM
I'm glad to see that finally many of the problems that prevented me from using Haiku are gone. Every time I tried it before, network didn't work, sound didn't work and it wouldn't boot unless it was on its own hard drive without other partitions. All those problems are now gone. I'm posting this with Haiku. It might be time for me to switch from BeOS to using Haiku as my main OS.

BeOS software development has been totally dead for years. Hopefully programmers will get interested in Haiku and create some much needed programs. It's not Amiga, but it's more fun to use than the rest of the user-hostile bloat OSes out there.
Title: Re: Haiku R1/Alpha 1 released
Post by: kickstart on September 22, 2009, 08:17:31 PM
Quote from: the_leander;523642
Err nope, I didn't mention browsers. Not once anywhere in this thread until this post and I cut the comment short because that was a separate point. There was no test either, so I can only suggest you didn't bother reading one word of what I wrote.

TheMagicM stated that right now, Haiku is more usable then AmigaOS is.

Which is correct. It is.

I still love the old miggy and it holds a place in my heart that no other OS will, but it has limitations that cannot be ignored. Bawwing that pointing it out is inappropriate earned some mockery, likewise your response was equally worthy of ridicule.


OK, its old, limitations... but with morphsos or aos4 is more usable these days, and for usability, whats usability? is not the same for everyone.

We are talking about haiku like a top class OS and this isnt correct too.
Title: Re: Haiku R1/Alpha 1 released
Post by: the_leander on September 22, 2009, 09:23:17 PM
Quote from: kickstart;523679
OK, its old, limitations... but with morphsos or aos4 is more usable these days, and for usability, whats usability? is not the same for everyone.


Oh we're going down this road... Right.

You just can't stand the fact that someone pointed out that MorphOS and or AmigaOS4 are both in terms of software and hardware less capable then something else.

Quote from: kickstart;523679

We are talking about haiku like a top class OS and this isnt correct too.


There you go again, you really can't help yourself, can you? This is an Alpha release of Haiku, not even close to the finished product!

@MrA500 - last time there was a major jump in software development was off of the back of Zeta, sadly with the collapse of that (cheers Bernd Korz), it looks like it was pretty much tools down if bebits is anything to go by.

So I agree, hopefully this will be the stimulus to expand beyond maintaining a handful of ports for key software such as firefox and VLC.
Title: Re: Haiku R1/Alpha 1 released
Post by: kickstart on September 22, 2009, 10:57:32 PM
OK... understand what you want
Title: Re: Haiku R1/Alpha 1 released
Post by: gaula92 on September 23, 2009, 09:39:23 AM
Have you tried any BeOS game on Haiku?
What games were available for BeOS back in the day? I love discovering OS's with their games: it's a great way to explore their response, their look & feel, their sound and graphics characteristics... I'm talking about classic games: Lemmings for BeOS or something like that?
Title: Re: Haiku R1/Alpha 1 released
Post by: the_leander on September 23, 2009, 11:01:19 AM
Quote from: gaula92;523714
Have you tried any BeOS game on Haiku?
What games were available for BeOS back in the day? I love discovering OS's with their games: it's a great way to explore their response, their look & feel, their sound and graphics characteristics... I'm talking about classic games: Lemmings for BeOS or something like that?


Games on BeOS were fairly limited.. There were ports of Quake 1&2, as well as QW, There was an (incomplete and hard to acquire) port of Worms Armageddon, Doom, Rise of the Triad and a handful of home-grown games of dubious quality.

Had a pretty good port of ScummVM though, which kept me amused for days with such classics as Beneath A Steal Sky and Monkey Island.

YMMV.
Title: Re: Haiku R1/Alpha 1 released
Post by: Karlos on September 23, 2009, 11:18:28 AM
@the_leander

Oi, you nicked my activity medal :p :)
Title: Re: Haiku R1/Alpha 1 released
Post by: the_leander on September 23, 2009, 11:49:36 AM
Quote from: Karlos;523719
@the_leander

Oi, you nicked my activity medal :p :)


Is that some delicious bawwing I hear? :lol:

Who knows, given a decade or more, I might conceivably be able to challenge you for the post count record ;)

--edit--

It all comes of having earned myself a week long ban on another site whose name I cannot mention for fear of breaking rules 1&2 of the interbutts :D
Title: Re: Haiku R1/Alpha 1 released
Post by: jj on September 23, 2009, 11:58:50 AM
Was it fight club.   I always thought the first rule of fight club should have been, Dont watch fight club.
 
Que lots of arguing about its a brill;iant film, its rubbish.  No middle ground with this one
Title: Re: Haiku R1/Alpha 1 released
Post by: the_leander on September 23, 2009, 12:04:42 PM
Quote from: JJ;523725
Was it fight club.


I can only suggest that you google "Rules 1 and 2 of the internet" and look for the resulting ED page.

:afro:
Title: Re: Haiku R1/Alpha 1 released
Post by: Karlos on September 23, 2009, 08:22:56 PM
Quote from: the_leander;523726
I can only suggest that you google "Rules 1 and 2 of the internet" and look for the resulting ED page.

:afro:


:laughing:
Title: Re: Haiku R1/Alpha 1 released
Post by: yakumo9275 on September 23, 2009, 08:48:39 PM
you can always do a highly detailed and technical comparison of the two

Code: [Select]


haikuos  ----------------------------------+
morphos2 --------------------------------+ |
amigaos4 ------------------------------+ | |
=======================================V V V
modern browers                         Y Y Y
can play classic miggy games natively  N N N
can play classic miggy games emulated  Y Y Y
has basic office suite                 Y Y Y
can play mp3                           Y Y Y
can read pdf                           Y Y Y
can view dvds                          Y Y Y
has memory protection                  Y Y Y
has good multitasking                  Y Y Y
can do memory paging                   Y Y Y
has rabid fans                         Y Y Y
small fast and light                   Y Y Y
do I need expensive hardware to run it Y Y N
do I need to buy a license for OS      Y Y N
Is this a niche hobby os               Y Y Y
will this post upset fanatics          Y Y Y
am I being serious                     N N N


hey look, its a wash except for the expensive hardware bit and cost to buy/register. :D
Title: Re: Haiku R1/Alpha 1 released
Post by: the_leander on September 23, 2009, 08:49:33 PM
Quote from: Karlos;523749
:laughing:


Well there was no way I was going to break that rule ;)
Title: Re: Haiku R1/Alpha 1 released
Post by: the_leander on September 23, 2009, 08:51:48 PM
Quote from: yakumo9275;523754
you can always do a highly detailed and technical comparison of the two

Code: [Select]


haikuos  ----------------------------------+
morphos2 --------------------------------+ |
amigaos4 ------------------------------+ | |
=======================================V V V
modern browers                         Y Y Y
can play classic miggy games natively  N N N
can play classic miggy games emulated  Y Y Y
has basic office suite                 Y Y Y
can play mp3                           Y Y Y
can read pdf                           Y Y Y
can view dvds                          Y Y Y
[B]has memory protection[/B]                  [B]Y[/B] Y Y
has good multitasking                  Y Y Y
can do memory paging                   Y Y Y
has rabid fans                         Y Y Y
small fast and light                   Y Y Y
do I need expensive hardware to run it Y Y N
do I need to buy a license for OS      Y Y N
Is this a niche hobby os               Y Y Y
will this post upset fanatics          Y Y Y
am I being serious                     N N N


hey look, its a wash except for the expensive hardware bit and cost to buy/register. :D


Since when has AmigaOS4 had memory protection?
Title: Re: Haiku R1/Alpha 1 released
Post by: TheMagicM on September 24, 2009, 02:01:05 AM
Quote

Code: [Select]


haikuos  ----------------------------------+
morphos2 --------------------------------+ |
amigaos4 ------------------------------+ | |
=======================================V V V
modern browers                         Y Y Y
can play classic miggy games natively  N N N
can play classic miggy games emulated  Y Y Y
has basic office suite                 Y Y Y
can play mp3                           Y Y Y
can read pdf                           Y Y Y
can view dvds                          Y Y Y
has memory protection                  Y Y Y
has good multitasking                  Y Y Y
can do memory paging                   Y Y Y
has rabid fans                         Y Y Y
small fast and light                   Y Y Y
do I need expensive hardware to run it Y Y N
do I need to buy a license for OS      Y Y N
Is this a niche hobby os               Y Y Y
will this post upset fanatics          Y Y Y
am I being serious                     N N N





What is the "basic office suite" that MorphOS and AmigaOS has?  I dont see one.   A modern browser for MorphOS and AOS?  I think it depends on your definition of modern. (LOL)
Title: Re: Haiku R1/Alpha 1 released
Post by: Hell Labs on October 05, 2009, 11:35:38 PM
Quote from: TheMagicM;523787
What is the "basic office suite" that MorphOS and AmigaOS has?  I dont see one.   A modern browser for MorphOS and AOS?  I think it depends on your definition of modern. (LOL)

Hey, OWB for os4 and MorphOS looks pretty damn good. Now if only the MOS team gets a finger from up their arse and releases the mac mini port, So I can actually get to see it in person.

Downloading Haiku now. I tried it ages ago but it wasn't much to write home about quality wise. Looked really interesting though.