Lets talk about A1222 - Tabor

[AdvancedFollower]

What really turned off my enthusiasm toward A1222 after AmiWest was general enthusiasm toward emulation of AmigaOS4.1 as a GOOD method of running AmigaOS. So, what is a point of developing ANY hardware for AmigaOS4.1? That was my impression.

I've been running AmigaOS 4.1 in WinUAE for a while, and I wouldn't call the experience "good". Biggest limitation is slow/limited I/O, and lack of hardware 3D and compositing. In terms of raw CPU performance, my Ryzen 1800X desktop is about 50% of the X5000 performance running Sortbench, but I/O and video are very slow compared to real hardware so the overall experience is slow, choppy and limited.

I think they're just trying to expand the reach of OS4 by having a cheap, convenient method of running AmigaOS 4. Plus the Alice laptop is nearly finished while the A1222 is not.

Of course in theory, emulation could be expanded until it becomes really good. Implement pass-through for the GPU and storage, with the only emulated part being the PPC CPU itself rather than trying to emulate a full A4000 with Blizzard PPC. But that doesn't seem to be the route they are going.

[Daytona675x]

Hi
@Daytona675x
 
You are certainly a good coder but you have difficulties to admit when you are wrong
"calling library functions (e.g. Warp3D) which expect floats in FPU registers"
is just a wrong statement as Warp3D (both OS3 and OS4 versions) never used FPU registers for calling functions

>MiniGL (which has tons of functions that expect floats by value)
True but there are not "expecting floats in FPU registers" too


Greetings
Alain Thellier

OMG, boy, I really don't have time for this crap, but well:
I don't know what your problem is (but somehow it seems to have something to do with a ego issue or things like "projection") but before you write more nonsense I suggest you do four things:

1. read before you write. I said that I was wrong with Warp3D.lib indeed since it doesn't pass floats by value even for functions like e.g. W3D_SetAlphaMode, which was sth. I forgot. As I wrote before.

2. read the specs. Hint #1 and Hint #2.

3. take a your favorite C compiler suited for PPC AOS4, write some lines of code containing a nice glTranslatef(1.0f,2.0f,3.0f), look at the assembly output. Do you still want to really tell anybody that float parameters are not passed through float registers?

4. come back here and better delete your previous statements.
While you probably are a more or less decent coder you should probably stick to topics you know more about.

Cheerio

p.s.: to the other readers: of course, as I said before, the problem with SPE compiled code calling functions with float parameters inside FPU-compiled code (and vice versa) exists, it exists as I outlined, it exists with e.g. MiniGL, floats are passed through registers (if there are FPU registers...), no matter what Allain Thellier keeps saying here.
The only thing I was mistaken was taking Warp3D.lib as an example; MiniGL however is a good example. Which is what I wrote before, but just in case anybody else besides that pal here likes to skip reading that part
Good part of my little mistake: I might give Wings a shot on Tabor - but guess what: I already said that too

[dirkzwager]

i was saturday in Germany. Amiga 32 Messe. Super.
I think 600-700 people ( i read on this site it was 520 people, still a lot ). You can buy a lot soft- and hardware. You can speak to the people of Hypirion, Aeon, Morphos, sellers .... A lot of fun. Al so speakers and a demo of the Tabor.
From Hypirion and Trevor from Aeon i understand that the Aone 1222 normaly is to buy early 2018.
 Trevor sad again that the price for the bord is 400 euro.
Happy new year for us amigians
I test the ALICE and i go for the real stuf. PPC and os4.1

By the way i dit buy a ACA 500+ for my amiga500 Plus. Fun fun fun

[kreciu]

OK. Time to "stir" it again. Any new about Tabor ? When EARLY 2018 ends, I hope before July ?

[AdvancedFollower]

Last I heard, NIC and sound drivers still weren't working as of late 2017. Either someone only works a few hours every month on those, or they have taken more man-hours to develop than the entire OS 4.1... :confused:

[kolla]

@kreciu

Could you add a space or two in that insanely long signature of yours, so that browsers can wrap the pages you post on better? :p

[gertsy]

@kreciu

Could you add a space or two in that insanely long signature of yours, so that browsers can wrap the pages you post on better? :p

+1

[gertsy]

@kreciu

Could you add a space or two in that insanely long signature of yours, so that browsers can wrap the pages you post on better? :p

+1

And get rid of that Win98se line. It's not impressing anyone.  

[yssing]

@kreciu

Could you add a space or two in that insanely long signature of yours, so that browsers can wrap the pages you post on better? :p

I second that, his signature breaks the browsers view when I read on my phone.

[Iggy]

I second that, his signature breaks the browsers view when I read on my phone.

Doesn't affect my low end Samsung.
I say leave it, I know other people that have reinstalled Win98 too.
It's a good platform for DOS games.

[kreciu]

@kreciu

Could you add a space or two in that insanely long signature of yours, so that browsers can wrap the pages you post on better? :p

Your wish is my command.

Is it better?

I will NEVER remove Win98SE... never

[kreciu]

It's a good platform for DOS games.

EXACTLY.

So, no Tabor anytime soon

[trekiej]

How is the dual core gaming performance? I guess they would have to use Linux to know that.

[trekiej]

Is it possible that Tabor will have a new FPU library to solve the incompatibility problem?

[kreciu]

Is it possible that Tabor will have a new FPU library to solve the incompatibility problem?

I think that at this point it is better to ask this: Is Tabor possible?

[kolla]

Your wish is my command.

Oooh...!

Is it better?

Yes, much better, thanks!