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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Moto on December 01, 2009, 05:23:20 PM
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Hello my fellow Amiga Brethren,
Can somebody tell me what USB sound cards are compatible with the Deneb/Subway USB controllers? I have spent a good week searching for this answer but can't really find a definitive source of what works and what doesn't. I have an old M-Audio Sonica and I plugged it in and it was immediately not recognized. I see lots of $10 usb sound cards on Amazon (C-media chipset) but I don't want to buy something unless I know it works. I'd love to be able to listen to some cleaner audio (mp3s, etc) on the Amiga.
Thanks in advance!
-daniel
PS: I have a "new" old stock 4000T arriving today! Will post a slide show if I can get my camera working.
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I was under the impression they all worked... Hmmmm.....
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PS: I have a "new" old stock 4000T arriving today! Will post a slide show if I can get my camera working.
I assume it's an AT model? If it's a CBM one its gotta be worth a few grand!!
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I'm not expecting a CBM model but I'll let you know if that's the case.
Is there a standard for all USB sound cards? I've been through all the Poseidon docs and I didn't see any kind of compatibility list at all.
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I'm not expecting a CBM model but I'll let you know if that's the case.
Is there a standard for all USB sound cards? I've been through all the Poseidon docs and I didn't see any kind of compatibility list at all.
To answer my own question, it seems there is a standard. It's called USB audio device specification 1.0 -- so I imagine that the Poseidon stack will work with any of these devices. I wish the documentation simply stated this.
Can anyone confirm this? I can get one of the vanilla cards for about $3.50
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To answer my own question, it seems there is a standard. It's called USB audio device specification 1.0 -- so I imagine that the Poseidon stack will work with any of these devices. I wish the documentation simply stated this.
Can anyone confirm this? I can get one of the vanilla cards for about $3.50
At that price, I'd risk it.
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Actually, it shouldn't even have to be a typical sound card. Every external USB DAC, even an AV receiver with USB in for example, should be compatible with the said standard.
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Hello my fellow Amiga Brethren,
Can somebody tell me what USB sound cards are compatible with the Deneb/Subway USB controllers? I have spent a good week searching for this answer but can't really find a definitive source of what works and what doesn't. I have an old M-Audio Sonica and I plugged it in and it was immediately not recognized.
USB audio is only available for the Deneb. It will not work with the Highway, Algor or Subway controllers. There are two USB audio standards 1.x and 2.x (independent of the USB protocol version), which are not backwards compatible and only USB audio 1.x devices are supported. USB Audio 2.x devices are very very rare in fact.
What do you mean by "was immediately not recognized". This is not very helpful at all. PsdErrorlog/PsdDevlister? The AHI driver generated only supports mono/stereo at any bit rates between 8 and 32 bit per sample, but not multichannel modes and only rates up to 65KHz (because AHI uses a 16-bit word for frequencies :-( ).
If the soundcard does not offer such a PCM 8-32 bit mode at frequencies lower than 65 KHz, there's nothing much that can be done about it on the Amiga side. Most cheap USB soundcards do though.
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I've been using a Creative Labs SoundBlaster X-fi with great results. This is a nicer external sound card with a lot of features. Some not even supported under AmigaOS, but it offers a superior s/n ratio and smoother sound I'd imagine than you'd get from a cheapie sound card.
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I bought a $3 USB sound 'card' on Ebay and it seems to work fine with a Deneb in my A3000 using AHI
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Yeah, there's a million of these things on amazon. I got mine for 3.79 with free shipping.
I saw the higher end ones on there such as Turtle Beach and Creative Labs but I figure I'd start low. Besides even the cheapest one of these will sound much better than the poor Paula (for MP3s).
BTW: Amiga 4000T came in! It's Smmmmminty new in the box but not a CBM model. I've taken pictures but I suddenly have a lot of work to do, so will post them later. It's literally sitting next to me right now (almost as big as a person).
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BTW: Amiga 4000T came in! It's Smmmmminty new in the box but not a CBM model. I've taken pictures but I suddenly have a lot of work to do, so will post them later. It's literally sitting next to me right now (almost as big as a person).
From DiscreetFX? You lucky son of a rat bastard! lol
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I got a 2 dollar one from DealXtreme, haven tried it yet though.
You should buy one that have good audio quality though, many reviewers on DX mentioned some chepie USB soundcards sounded bad.
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Hi Chris, Quoting:
"USB audio is only available for the Deneb. It will not work with the Highway, Algor or Subway controllers." Bummer - I've got a Highway :(
Is this due to FlashRom requirements, CPU overhead, memory availablilty or something else? Wondering if a software-based 'usbaudio.audio' file could be written just as AHI typically seeks within its' root archives. If so, how would someone go about creating one?
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Id guess at bandwidth. The Deneb has Zorro III bandwidth for RAW audio and the Subway only has clockport bandwidth.
But just a guess.
I've got several Creative Soundblaster Live cards that I hope will work with my Deneb + AHI
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USB_Soundcard_Soundblaster_Live.jpg
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Now we all need is (Classic Amiga users and MorphOS users) something like this to work with these so they can support OctaMED S.S.
http://aminet.net/package/util/libs/TheMaestrix
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Now we all (Classic Amiga users and MorphOS users) something like this to work with these so they can support OctaMED S.S.
http://aminet.net/package/util/libs/TheMaestrix
Uh, I think I understand this thought? Does that stuff really work with OSS? What can you do? And can't do?
OSS +
Deneb +
TheMaestrix +
AHI +
USB sound card
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total mess
My prediction.
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Sorry, I skipped a couple of words...
My finger is bandaged and it hurts to type (blame it on my 600's metal shielding, cut cut cut).
I meant to say we need something like the Maestro to emulate an old sound card and redirect it to ahi so we can use these USB sound cards with our favorite tracker software like OS 4.x users.
Just a theory, I've no idea if this will really work or not, but I'd hope so.
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Well never say never. Software wise, it has happened with Tocatta emulation, right? AHI drivers would be a 1st step...
Oh, and if I was ever to be plopped into an ancient sword fight out of no where, I would like a sword in the shape of a C=64 RF shielding. I would totally prevail.
Those things are the worst...
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Oh, and if I was ever to be plopped into an ancient sword fight out of no where, I would like a sword in the shape of a C=64 RF shielding. I would totally prevail.
Those things are the worst...
Great choice!!!! Ha ha ha! :)
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alexh: "Id guess at bandwidth. The Deneb has Zorro III bandwidth for RAW audio and the Subway only has clockport bandwidth."
Bandwidth or not, Poseidon (V4.4) generates an AHI listing upon recognition of the card, but no driver is available within AHI's default drawer. Is this just a file that's only 'supplied' or 'bundled' with the Deneb card? Should I've had this file within Poseidon's lha package? I'd like to try it against my Highway card even if the bandwidth would be poor.
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Ok, duh. So these things have an AHI driver - It's just some generic USB audio device driver, that Poseidon provides?
Pretty cheap might need to play with one.
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I'd love to see a list of tested and working cards.
I'll try mine when I get home.
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Bandwidth or not, Poseidon (V4.4) generates an AHI listing upon recognition of the card, but no driver is available within AHI's default drawer. Is this just a file that's only 'supplied' or 'bundled' with the Deneb card? Should I've had this file within Poseidon's lha package? I'd like to try it against my Highway card even if the bandwidth would be poor.
Isochronous transfers which are needed for a USB sound card are only supported on the Deneb.
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What is Deneb anyhow?
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This is why we need an accelerator card with built-in USB for those of use who don't have a big-box Amiga... :-)
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Isochronous transfers which are needed for a USB sound card are only supported on the Deneb.
Ahh. Very well then. Thanks for enlightening me. Guess I'm on the fence whether I'll upgrade or not, cause the Highway works without a glitch & I'm not so sure I want to tear into my A3000 yet again!
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Hello.
I'm digging this thread to ask a question.
I now have an el cheapo USB audio dongle that works well with AHI4 on my Deneb (A4000 with 40 MHz 040). However, when i use it with Songlplayer to play MP3, the sound is good up to low quality 22KHz but wacky on better rates.
I am wondering if there is any USB soundcard compatible with Poseidon that would bring hardware decoding to ease the CPU work (nice 16 bits 44KHz for instance).
Any idea?
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usb sound card on xsurf-100 with rapid road usb? anyone try yet?
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usb sound card on xsurf-100 with rapid road usb? anyone try yet?
I haven't tried it but have heard reports that it works with the clockport version, but you need at least an 040 to play audio smoothly.
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usb sound card on xsurf-100 with rapid road usb? anyone try yet?
Yes I tried very cheap soundcard (5 EUR) and also other stuff and it works fine. Check my review: http://jack.untergrund.net/2016/07/15/test-of-three-zorro-usb-cards-for-amiga-en/
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usb sound card on xsurf-100 with rapid road usb? anyone try yet?
Will soon. I have a $3 USB 3D sound card from eBay I bought forever ago. Works perfectly fine on the Deneb, I cannot imagine it won't work on the RapidRoad.
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Will soon. I have a $3 USB 3D sound card from eBay I bought forever ago. Works perfectly fine on the Deneb, I cannot imagine it won't work on the RapidRoad.
Sweet. any can recommend? names, ebay links? knowing my luck I will get some cheapo one and it wont work lol! Is there a chip set better in some than others or does it not really matter these days?
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Sweet. any can recommend? names, ebay links? knowing my luck I will get some cheapo one and it wont work lol! Is there a chip set better in some than others or does it not really matter these days?
Most of the cheap ones I see are pretty generic. The one I have I remember now that I actually picked it up from my local vendor on a lark and was surprised it worked. The unit identifies in Trident as manufactured by "JMTek, LLC.", vendor 0x0c76, product 0x1607.
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This one worked for me on my Rapid Road. It was $1.16 shipped if you can believe that!!!!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-1-USB-to-3-5mm-mic-headphone-Jack-Stereo-Headset-3D-Sound-Card-Audio-Adapter-/201331730832?hash=item2ee04e6990:g:GswAAOSwu4BVt0AP
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This one worked for me on my Rapid Road. It was $1.16 shipped if you can believe that!!!!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-1-USB-to-3-5mm-mic-headphone-Jack-Stereo-Headset-3D-Sound-Card-Audio-Adapter-/201331730832?hash=item2ee04e6990:g:GswAAOSwu4BVt0AP
Sweet, I was looking at those .. I just ordered one for 1.55 CDN
anyone try one of these?
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/PC-System-Windows-USB-2-0-3D-Virtual-7-1-Channel-Audio-Sound-Card-Adapter-NEW-/192049471427?hash=item2cb70a5fc3:g:D4kAAOSwJ7RYS18Y
or
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Mini-USB-2-0-3D-Virtual-480Mbps-External-7-1-Channel-Audio-Sound-Card-Adapter-ZE-/192122955325?hash=item2cbb6ba63d:g:hPQAAOSwTZ1XmcmV
Guess they would all work if there is a min standard to go by right?
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This one worked for me on my Rapid Road. It was $1.16 shipped if you can believe that!!!!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-1-USB-to-3-5mm-mic-headphone-Jack-Stereo-Headset-3D-Sound-Card-Audio-Adapter-/201331730832?hash=item2ee04e6990:g:GswAAOSwu4BVt0AP
The one I have looks identical to that (blue,) minus the disco laser lights.
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Sweet, I was looking at those .. I just ordered one for 1.55 CDN
Are you in Winnipeg? Too bad I didn't see this earlier, I have one or two I could have offered...
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Are you in Winnipeg? Too bad I didn't see this earlier, I have one or two I could have offered...
Yup, in Winnipeg. Right now tracking shows my rapid road on its way to Toronto woohoo. Whats your rig? What can be done with usb audio, just music play back? From what I read it still puts a pretty heavy load on 040 for mp3 playback.. Be neat anyhow to check out.
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Whats your rig? What can be done with usb audio, just music play back? From what I read it still puts a pretty heavy load on 040 for mp3 playback.. Be neat anyhow to check out.
Haven't really tried USB audio on my Amigas, to be honest, and likely won't as I sold my Subway and Deneb cards to other forum members last year. The USB audio cards were bought for a project involving a Bearcat BC875XLT radio scanner and a Raspberry Pi that I never got around to doing (and probably won't).
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Honestly, you are not missing anything by not using one. They are quite bad and more of just a novelty.
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Honestly, you are not missing anything by not using one. They are quite bad and more of just a novelty.
Awh good to know lol.. I kinda of figured that. Just one of those amiga things where we can say been there done that ;)
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Awh good to know lol.. I kinda of figured that. Just one of those amiga things where we can say been there done that ;)
Meh, to each his own. For the $1.50 it's not just a bragging right for me, it actually sounds quite nice. The 060 uses AHI handily and I found the system seems less jerky when playing AMPlifier through the USB sound card versus the hi-res Paula driver.
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Honestly, you are not missing anything by not using one. They are quite bad and more of just a novelty.
Well Chief, sometimes it's nice to know what I am missing, even if it doesn't sound very much.
Personally I just think USB is a good idea gone horribly wrong, so obviously I'm prejuduced about the whole idea. I have to admit though, USB sound cards are one way to sample analogue data on a Raspberry PI, so clearly they are useful for doing some things.
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Well never the less I cant wait to get it and see how it works out on my rig. everything is in the hands of the post man now so its just a waiting game for my rapid road and the usb audio.. I ordered all 3 now just to check out .. why not.. its all nickels and dimes.
And right, to each there own.. who knows maybe it will work alright with the a3640 and I might have some fun! Can you sample with it? I remember back in the 90's I had audio master 4 sampler and would rip songs off cds to mess around. Would I be able to do something like that? Would be alright in my humble opinion lol
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Oh dont get me wrong! For the price, they are worth getting one for sure! If you have at least a 040 though or it will kill your system performance.
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This one worked for me on my Rapid Road. It was $1.16 shipped if you can believe that!!!!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-1-USB-to-3-5mm-mic-headphone-Jack-Stereo-Headset-3D-Sound-Card-Audio-Adapter-/201331730832?hash=item2ee04e6990:g:GswAAOSwu4BVt0AP
Ugh.. Got the usb card in like yours and not working :( any suggestions?
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Ugh.. Got the usb card in like yours and not working :( any suggestions?
Its a crap shoot with these things. I bet they changed the chip in it or something. Hard to say.
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Well 2 more coming in the mail.. At least 1 will have to work.. I hope lol
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Do you have AHI installed?
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I under the impression that it was all installed with the Trident 4.5 software, I didn't have to install anything extra for my wireless mouse.. It just worked with no errors. There is a device list with usb audio being part of it. hmmmm need to investigate more after work today.
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I thought Poseidon wasn't up to handling USB sound cards.
Am I mistaken, or is the Amiga version somehow better than the MorphOS version?
Because under MorphOS, Apple Cube systems don't have sound because we can't support USB sound.
Same with the SAM460CR.
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I thought Poseidon wasn't up to handling USB sound cards.
he can.
i have 2 c-media usb sound card wich worked fine. one is dead since...
but the other still work like a charm.
but for "big box" amiga, i think than considering the prisma megamix for playing music is not a bad idea at all...
ok, it's more expensive than an usb sound card, but it save a big lot of cpu cycle :D
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I under the impression that it was all installed with the Trident 4.5 software, I didn't have to install anything extra for my wireless mouse.. It just worked with no errors. There is a device list with usb audio being part of it. hmmmm need to investigate more after work today.
You still have to install AHI and attach the mode like you would any sound card in an amiga. It doesnt just work out of the box like a mouse.
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You still have to install AHI and attach the mode like you would any sound card in an amiga. It doesnt just work out of the box like a mouse.
Awh ok I didn't know that.. is it easily found in aminet? or have a link where i could get it lol I am not tring to be toooo lazy here. Thanks for the heads up! Will look after dinner :):roflmao:
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What version of Workbench are ya running? 3.9 includes AHI. 3.5 might, as well, but I'm too lazy to google it. There's also an older version on Aminet. Good luck! :)
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What version of Workbench are ya running? 3.9 includes AHI. 3.5 might, as well, but I'm too lazy to google it. There's also an older version on Aminet. Good luck! :)
Hahah lazy day.. I am running WB 3.1 classic advance install.
Googling it now..
edit pssst :
http://aminet.net/package/driver/audio/ahiusr_4.18
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yup that did it! Think I might make a vid once get it fine tuned :)
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Good to see you were successful. Yesterday I installed Poseidon with the RapidRoad on my 1200, put in the sound card, set AHI device 0, and boom! I need to go post a picture of my 1200 tranny.