Bastards!!!

[scuzzb494]

Actually the price of PS3 slim is very close to the price of X360 Elite (at least it was when Slim was introduced). And all those things you mentioned you can do on a PS3 even without Linux. Of course, I understand that having Linux on it can be useful, I'd probably install it too if it was still possible.

The XBOX Elite comes out just a touch more expensive cus you really need the recharger for the batteries for the controller, and XBOX Live isn't free. In the end my XBOX Elite cost more than the PS3 Slim. More annoying is that it turned out to be inferior to the PS3... and all the hype about Bayonetta being better was unfounded. The interface is junk. I put the thing straight back in the box and cancelled my WindowsLive account.

scuzz

[jkirk]

I just went through the update and SONY give you the option not to accept the update. They explain exactly what will happen if you accept the update and they warn you of the consequences of updating if you run LINUX on the PS3. So I don`t see how anyone can complain. Its a simple choice ... if you want to use the machine as an entertainment console then accept, cus without it you will not be able to log into the Playstation Network... and play games that sychronise trophies such as Bayonetta.... OR if you want to run daisy chain LINUX etc then dont agree. Your not forced to agree to the update. ITS NOT AUTOMATIC.

I just agreed cus I really want to use the full potential of my PS3 as a games console. Others can use it as they please. You could always get a SLIM for games and a FAT for LINUX. Really don`t see what the name calling is all about.

really i don't believe you just suggested buying a ps3 again to keep the functionality intact on your current ps3? i mean come on just because you have no issue losing that functionality don't make everyone like that. and not everyone can afford to keep buying a ps3 to maintain the status quo.

honestly they could have created separate firmware for each model. this would make the current iteration more secure while leaving the function in place for the people that want/ need it.

imagine buying a laptop and the company making it disabled the dvd drive for watching movies on a mandatory bios update. would you be just as passive about that? would you admit the laptop wasn't made to watch dvds suck it up and go buy a real dvd player?

@the whiner complainers

i understand where you are coming from. personally i have no use for consoles in general. but at least attempt to see it from the other side too.

[scuzzb494]

really i don't believe you just suggested buying a ps3 again to keep the functionality intact on your current ps3? i mean come on just because you have no issue losing that functionality don't make everyone like that. and not everyone can afford to keep buying a ps3 to maintain the status quo.

honestly they could have created separate firmware for each model. this would make the current iteration more secure while leaving the function in place for the people that want/ need it.

imagine buying a laptop and the company making it disabled the dvd drive for watching movies on a mandatory bios update. would you be just as passive about that? would you admit the laptop wasn't made to watch dvds suck it up and go buy a real dvd player?

@the whiner complainers

i understand where you are coming from. personally i have no use for consoles in general. but at least attempt to see it from the other side too.

Yes I am.... I don't agree that the SLIM and the FAT should be treated any differently. SONY are simply updating the machine to perform no doubt as a more stable and safe product in line with the SLIM. It is for SONY to decide how they best do this, and buying the machine to utilise their PlayStation Network they can impose how the software runs. The fact that you want to run the PS3 outside of the Playstation Network is your choice. Its free so whats the big deal. If you don`t want PS3 Network functionality then don`t update.. it is a simple as that. But why on earth would you lumber the 99 percent of all PS3 gamers with a fix to satisfy a group of people that may ' may ' just compromise the gamiing OS. Don`t get it. And yes go get another PS3 SLIM, or Elite if you are unhappy and wanna use the PS3 Network but keep LINUX... Its only about trophy synchronisation generally and the modern gaming requirements. My gaming is, has, will always be very important to me as it is to loads of folk. LINUX however, can be run on anything, as I understand. Never use it.

The gaming world will not care.

PS: SONY had big problems on February 28th with the FAT only model cus of the variations betwen the two machines. If this fixes problems like that then thank goodness.

[koaftder]

Sony didn't need to screw with the linux support, it has no effect on their bottom line and has no effect on their network and no effect on the gaming experience. When they launched the device they pimped linux support and lots of folks bought it because of that, now they're flipping those customers the bird. Most of the folks who ran linux on the device also bought games too. Now they have to buy another PS3, one for games, and one for hobby stuff and a few of those are using the machines for educational work.

For those who make comments about how Sony has the right to do this, or how the PS3 is just a games machine and therfore anybody using the device for anything other than games can stuff it, I hope you cry when your favorite game gets net play support dropped because it's not making money any more. And please, don't complain about it on the forums.

[zosodk69]

I don't agree that the SLIM and the FAT should be treated any differently.

Accept the FAT was advertised to include Other OS functionality and the SLIM isn't.  They're two different products with two different advertised feature sets.  Fail.

And you're being intellectually dishonest by saying this update is optional.  By declining this update you're no longer able to participate in online gaming.  You're unable to watch future bluray titles which may require a firmware update.  You're unable to play games that mandate the new firmware.  Fail.

This isn't unique to this board, I'm seeing this sentiment all over the Internet!  I find it shocking that people are so anxious to rush to Sony's defense.  These are likely the same people that walk around with brand names written in big letters on their cloths.  The same people who put Apple[TM] bumper stickers on their car.  "It's OK for Sony to do this, just buy a second PS3!"  Buy a second PS3?  REALLY???

The only people defending Sony's bad behavior are those unaffected.

[jkirk]

Yes I am.... I don't agree that the SLIM and the FAT should be treated any differently. SONY are simply updating the machine to perform no doubt as a more stable and safe product in line with the SLIM. It is for SONY to decide how they best do this, and buying the machine to utilise their PlayStation Network they can impose how the software runs. The fact that you want to run the PS3 outside of the Playstation Network is your choice. Its free so whats the big deal. If you don`t want PS3 Network functionality then don`t update.. it is a simple as that. But why on earth would you lumber the 99 percent of all PS3 gamers with a fix to satisfy a group of people that may ' may ' just compromise the gamiing OS. Don`t get it. And yes go get another PS3 SLIM, or Elite if you are unhappy and wanna use the PS3 Network but keep LINUX... Its only about trophy synchronisation generally and the modern gaming requirements. My gaming is, has, will always be very important to me as it is to loads of folk. LINUX however, can be run on anything, as I understand. Never use it.

aka http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007392

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Socialist.
 Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
 Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Jew.
 Then they came for me -- and there was no one left to speak for me.

The gaming world will not care.

and they are not speaking on behalf of the gaming community.

PS: SONY had big problems on February 28th with the FAT only model cus of the variations betwen the two machines. If this fixes problems like that then thank goodness.

no sony had big problems because they screwed up. They are just using things like that to make people want to roll over. just like sony also tried to use piracy to justify adding rootkits to their audio cds. or did you forget that. rootkits that btw caused security holes to be opened.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_CD_copy_protection_scandal
sony is out to protect sony not gamers, not consumers, not you.

[KThunder]

it has been said several times by several people in this thread that the ps3 is a games console, or made for games or things to that effect.

that is not what sony is selling it as "it does everything" is their slogan and in several of the commercials as well as in some ads "is does linux" was mentioned directly.

they want this to be more than a games machine. that is why they included "other os" if someone bought a machine because of that option and the company disabled it or the entire console or any part of it becuase they refused to update sony should expect lawsuits.
this isnt important to me because i dont like sony. it might not be important to you for various reasons but the fact is sony has done something wrong here and that sucks.

personally all i wanted was a games console, i have a computer for programming and apps and internet and a player for movies, so i got a wii "it does games"

[zosodk69]

aka http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007392

This was EXACTLY what came to my head after reading scuzzb494's post, I just didn't know the author.  Well done!

[persia]

Bastards, all of them.


Wait, who are we talking about?

[Crom00]

This was EXACTLY what came to my head after reading scuzzb494's post, I just didn't know the author.  Well done!

Here's a radical thought. Rework the otheros feature so that hacking is not possible.

I can betcha this was 100% Sony America's decision. Typical American approach, closed system, closed standard, remove ps2 capability, remove linux capability, keep the costs as high as the market will bear for as long as possible.

The end result? Sony is in last place. The once impecalbe brand has fadded some.

[Trev]

Or just leave law enforcement in the hands of law enforcement. If companies like Sony spent less money seeking their own remedies--corporate vigilantism--prices would be lower and margins would be higher. There must be a win somewhere in their math, however, or they wouldn't do it. They could be bowing to pressure from studios, given the Blu-Ray functionality. (Because you know, it's not like you can't do whatever you want with a Blu-Ray disc on a PC with BD-ROM drive.)

[Arkhan]

Here's a radical thought. Rework the otheros feature so that hacking is not possible.

I can betcha this was 100% Sony America's decision. Typical American approach, closed system, closed standard, remove ps2 capability, remove linux capability, keep the costs as high as the market will bear for as long as possible.

The end result? Sony is in last place. The once impecalbe brand has fadded some.

maybe they are taking it down UNTIL they work out the security stuff.  Until then, Resonance of Fate kicks ass.  Its better than Linux.

[Tripitaka]

http://www.mod-chip.com/ps3/infectus.html

...not long to wait perhaps.

[recidivist]

So people really don't buy a console;they just  pay for a lease  of services that can change at the whim of Sony or whomever?

 People ought to demand  full refunds for Sony's breach of performance for each and every console which was sold with Sony advertising linux functionality concurrent with full use of the other services including online gaming.

 I'd love to see a big class-action mega-lawsuit on behalf of ALL Sony "fat" PlayStations  against Sony .It should be based on Sony's  arbitrary and capricous disabling of  advertised and previously functional capabilities of  the purchasers'  without proof of any wronging by said purchasers and seek full restoration of services,attorney fees,and  compensatory and punitive damages .

 Remember the Sony rootkit ? Sony deserves to be punished.

[coldfish]

The best way to punish Sony is to not buy their products.  Just dont.

I had a choice for highend laptop recently and automatically ignored Sony as a choice because I object their openly contemptuous marketing tactics.

Sony should stop and ask themselves how the f**k apple stole both online music and second place in handheld gaming from them when they were in both markets first?  And how they went from first place in two console generations to last place overnight?

[Cass]

But are they inglorious?

Just Inglourious!

I prefer my Wii,reminds me of the early AMiGA days!
Plenty of nice games/Killer Apps (literally : Mad World), innovative interface (Motion plus & Nunchuck), and the most fun of it Homebrew Channel. I`ve already got C64 & Amiga games running on my Wii ;-)