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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Ranchu on December 05, 2002, 10:17:55 AM
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OK I'm a bit confused. Hopefully someone could kindly answer a few questions for me :)
OS4 will run on AmigaOne boards (which are essentially rebaged Teron boards with a special ROM).
TerraSoft will sell these same boards but without the ROM meaning that they will only support PPC Linux.
MorphOS is running on the Pegasos ($1000 board!!!).
So far so good. Now my question:
Will MorphOS run on the Teron CX board as well?
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Will MorphOS run on the Teron CX board as well?
They claim to have had it running on TeronCX developer board.
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MorphOS is running on the Pegasos ($1000 board!!!).
Where did you get such info? I thought it costed more or less the same as A1?
:-?
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quenthal wrote:
MorphOS is running on the Pegasos ($1000 board!!!).
Where did you get such info? I thought it costed more or less the same as A1?
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I think he is refering to the BetaTester systems that cost a 1000 Euros
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Yes it looks like I was confusing the beta tester system.
What is the price of the retail Pegasos?
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For G3 600Mhz Models
Pegasos
£300 ish + VAT + Free Delivery With Linux & MorphOS
If OS4 ever becomes available you'll have to buy it.
A1
£360 ish + VAT + £11 Delivery With Linux, UAE Licenced Classic Rom images + Free OS4 when ready + Bios that works with all PCI Cards.
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1) The Pegasos is not $1000. Its £300+VAT
2) MorphOS already runs on the Teron CX/PX provided the original Open Firmware ROM is used. According to bPlan with "close cooperation" with MAI.
This combination has not been demonstrated in public, but then again nothing other than Linux/PPC has ever been demonstrated on the Teron CX/PX (AmigaOne SE/XE).
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Morph OS will run on the Pegasos.
Morph OS will run on the TeronCx.
Hmmm...but MorphOS will not run on the
rebadged TeronCx A-1, because A-Inc
donglized the hardware, and OS4 has
been donglized to run only on the
donglized A-1. It seems obvious...
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But what will happen to AmigaOne manufacturers if and when the infamous cracking groups that killed the original Amigas (ie Razor, FairLight - still happily cracking all PC software right now) crack the dongle protection for OS4 and mass release their version to the underground warez scene?
Will that spell the end of AmigaOne? Or OS4 as well? Or will that mean all PPC boards can then run OS4? Hopefully waking up Amiga Inc from their corporate stupor.
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But what will happen to AmigaOne manufacturers if and when the infamous cracking groups that killed the original Amigas (ie Razor, FairLight - still happily cracking all PC software right now) crack the dongle protection for OS4 and mass release their version to the underground warez scene?
Well as I see it, it should not be some thing that amiga inc should deal with.
This should be something that the individual should choose...
You can always choose to buy what ever you want instead of using a cracked version.
Choose not to support Piracy, choose to support the developers whom supports you..
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when the infamous cracking groups that killed the original Amigas
A bit off the topic of this thread, but, crackers didn't kill the Amiga.
In fact, many people I knew back then got an Amiga over a Megadrive or SNES specifically because they knew they could get games for free, so in some ways crackers "made" the Amiga the success it was.
It was the lack of development on the hardware side, lack of new "big-name" software, and the eventual domination of the PC that killed the Amiga.
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"You mean the Amiga is dead? When? Who told you that?"
;-)
(Hey - we're here at least, aren't we...)
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SlimJim
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Lando wrote:
when the infamous cracking groups that killed the original Amigas
A bit off the topic of this thread, but, crackers didn't kill the Amiga.
In fact, many people I knew back then got an Amiga over a Megadrive or SNES specifically because they knew they could get games for free, so in some ways crackers "made" the Amiga the success it was.
It was the lack of development on the hardware side, lack of new "big-name" software, and the eventual domination of the PC that killed the Amiga.
These were the symptoms but not the disease. I remember in the old days how Commodore senior management basically sucked the company dry, didn't effectively advertise, eventually stopped internal developement, etc. Mismanagement was the end of the Amiga in it's early form.
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"by Lando on 2002/12/7 17:07:11
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when the infamous cracking groups that killed the original Amigas
A bit off the topic of this thread, but, crackers didn't kill the Amiga.
In fact, many people I knew back then got an Amiga over a Megadrive or SNES specifically because they knew they could get games for free, so in some ways crackers "made" the Amiga the success it was.
It was the lack of development on the hardware side, lack of new "big-name" software, and the eventual domination of the PC that killed the Amiga."
Yes the free SW helped the sales of the HW but in the long run killed the "big-name" software development thus killing the sales of the HW
as ppl got bored with not having new "big-name" software.
You can eat your own body parts to stay alive in the short term but will die through lack of needed body organs if you continue to do so.
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Morph OS will run on the Pegasos.
Morph OS will run on the TeronCx.
Hmmm...but MorphOS will not run on the
rebadged TeronCx A-1, because A-Inc
donglized the hardware, and OS4 has
been donglized to run only on the
donglized A-1. It seems obvious...
This last bit is wrong. The dongle on the A1 is for OS4.0 (so it won't run on other nonlicensed hardware), MorphOS, linux and any other OS can be ported to the A1 easily.
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Perhaps I stand corrected. I thought MorphOS wouldn't
run on the A-1 because the rom of the original Teron
has been modified, so MorphOS needs some changes in
order to run. Apparantly MorphOS runs fine on the
original Teron. I guess that by the same logic, OS4
could be ported to run on the Pegasos (maybe just
minor changes due to the different rom? I'm not a
programmer so I have no clue about these things).
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It's possible that you might need to patch MorphOS so it will run on the AmigaOne/Teron. Details are very sketchy, but there is a chance that the "April" Articia fix used by the Pegasos includes a hardware fix for a DMA problem in the VIA southbridge. On the AmigaOne/Teron this fix is done in software (in Linux and AmigaOS). So, if this is the case (let me stress that real info is thin on the ground) you'd need a patch to run Morphos on the AmigaOne (since the Pegasos has the patch built into the hardware). I doubt the patch would be terribly huge though, and since the patch is part of open-source Linux all you need is a semi-competent programmer to port it.
Does anyone here know if this is correct? the only source of info I have on this is this fragment of one of Alan's postings to the AmigaOne mailinglist (in it he's talking about the April chip/circuit board):
From the hints dropped it seems that they have just come across the fairly well known VIA IDE-DMA problem. This occurs rarely, but reproducably, and - as with all PC's using the same VIA southbridge core, it is properly handled in the IDE driver. It will be in OS4, and in the PPC Linux kernal.
Anyone here have any other info to add to this? I've looked around but found no hard info on what April actually does - just more or less educated guesses.
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I forget now just where I read or heard it, but IIRC the "dongle" is just a series of PEEKs in AOS4, where it reads parts of the PPCBoot ROM to check that it is running on the right hardware. So AOS4 won't run without its PPCBoot ROM.
MorphOS probably won't run directly on an A1 (Alan said at WOASE that it can't boot on the different hardware), but no doubt someone, someday, will patch MOS to run on the A1 hardware/PPCBoot ROM.
I'm sure that both OSes will be patched to run on each other's hardware ev-en-tu-al-ly (in Manuel voice). You don't have to steal SW or break copyrights to do that.
tony
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>Terrasoft PowerPC board.
I am looking for information on this board:
1. What is the speed of CPU?
2. Is it possible to upgrade the CPU to 1.2 GHz or IBM PowerPC 970?
3. Will the famous Articia chipset bug exist on this motherboard?
Is there any special bug workaround circuit on this motherboard?
4. Is it possible to run AmigaOS 4 on this board using some sort of card / dongle?
The first generation of IBM PC DOS cann't run on the first compatibles, but MS create MS DOS that support PC clones. Is it possible that Hyperion will release a special version for Amiga clones in the future?
Thanks.
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Terrasoft at OSNews (http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2280)
It will answer many of your questions. AFAIK It will have a soldered 750MHz CPU. Mai states all systems going for sales are fixed. Unless Terrasoft licences AmigaOS4 it's not legally possible to run OS4 on Terrasoft boards. Future - who knows? :-)