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Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #285 on: March 04, 2020, 09:47:56 PM »
A-EON wants to take over OS4 and Cloanto wants to take over OS3 - Hyperion is in the way.
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Offline Gulliver

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #286 on: March 04, 2020, 10:44:02 PM »
A-EON wants to take over OS4 and Cloanto wants to take over OS3 - Hyperion is in the way.

You got it all wrong as usual:

Cloanto wants to get both AmigaOS3 and AmigaOS4.

A-EON and Hyperion have been already cooperating for some time.
 

Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #287 on: March 05, 2020, 06:16:19 AM »
@Gulliver
You live under a rock or something? The “cooperation” between AEON and Hyperion went sour years ago, Trevor was furious with Hermans and stated something to the effect of “this is now personal”. As pointed out by your fellow despoiler Minuous, Trevor has also been supporting Cloanto financially, to pay developers and who knows what else (can you think of anything??)

The only entity somewhat supporting Hyperion at this point is iComp, a licensee who is slowly realizing that he’s been duped, that his investment was made on false premises and his licenses are in limbo.
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Offline Gulliver

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #288 on: March 05, 2020, 07:04:12 AM »
@Gulliver
You live under a rock or something? The “cooperation” between AEON and Hyperion went sour years ago, Trevor was furious with Hermans and stated something to the effect of “this is now personal”. As pointed out by your fellow despoiler Minuous, Trevor has also been supporting Cloanto financially, to pay developers and who knows what else (can you think of anything??)

The only entity somewhat supporting Hyperion at this point is iComp, a licensee who is slowly realizing that he’s been duped, that his investment was made on false premises and his licenses are in limbo.

I don't live under a rock, in fact, I am in a position that can see things happening that others try to guess. And I am not the only one.
So you can keep guessing all you want, but that does not make it a fact.
 

Offline Minuous

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #289 on: March 05, 2020, 08:38:42 AM »
As pointed out by your fellow despoiler Minuous, Trevor has also been supporting Cloanto financially

That was in 2007, according to the linked article, so presumably it was not done as some kind of anti-Hyperion measure.
 

Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #290 on: March 05, 2020, 08:43:22 AM »
Others have been in your position many times before, this is not guesswork, this is simple observations.
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Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #291 on: March 05, 2020, 09:01:30 AM »
That was in 2007, according to the linked article, so presumably it was not done as some kind of anti-Hyperion measure.
So you like to downplay your own argument now?

Trevor has said many times in interviews that he works towards seeing “all Amiga under one roof” - who does he has best relations with, Cloanto or Hyperion? He has written pages about his appreciation for WinUAE, AmigaForever, AmigaKX (or whatever it was called), AmiKit, his own ALICE etc. Is he equally enthusiastic when he talks about Hyperion and the guy who he cofounded “old” A-EON with?
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Offline Minuous

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #292 on: March 05, 2020, 11:32:33 AM »
@kolla:

My point was that Cloanto have not put their money into development of anything, not even Amiga Forever.

I don't know what other point you thought I was trying to make.
 

Offline OlafS3

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #293 on: March 05, 2020, 11:45:29 AM »
and what invests Hyperion?

If you think so there is not much difference
 

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Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #294 on: March 05, 2020, 12:54:37 PM »
and what invests Hyperion?

The latest I know of was Reaction.
 

Offline OlafS3

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #295 on: March 05, 2020, 01:20:31 PM »
yes

what else?

that was all I heared in years
 

Offline cgutjahr

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #296 on: March 05, 2020, 02:05:04 PM »
My point was that Cloanto have not put their money into development of anything, not even Amiga Forever.
The link you provided does not actually show that. In fact, it implies the opposite: If Battilana is paying somebody for cataloging games and applications (which is what Trevor's money was used for), it's safe to assume he's also paying people for programming work.

But even if your claim was true - "not paying your developers and using the money for lawsuits" is the actual business model you and Thomas are actively supporting, so I don't see why you would get all worked up over it.
« Last Edit: March 05, 2020, 02:13:41 PM by cgutjahr »
 

Offline cgutjahr

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #297 on: March 05, 2020, 02:13:17 PM »
I don't live under a rock, in fact, I am in a position that can see things happening that others try to guess. And I am not the only one.
So you can keep guessing all you want, but that does not make it a fact.
Jesus Christ, are you new to this scene? This is 2020 and you're saying in public, with a straight face, "Ben tells me things, so there!".

Trevor is now publicly accusing Ben Hermans of stealing half a million bucks from him, and forging bank documents to hide it. And Gulliver's walking around telling people "A-EON and Hyperion have been cooperating for some time". *facepalm*

I was wondering who Ben would pick as the next Solie. Looks like he has so many applications, he's probably going to run a competition. Hey, maybe you should buy some Hyperion shares? That's going to improve your chances a lot, you know.
 

guest11527

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Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #298 on: March 05, 2020, 02:15:18 PM »
But even if your claim was true - "not paying your developers and using the money for lawsuits" is the actual business model you and Thomas are actively supporting, so I don't why you would get all worked up over it.
...and the business model Cloanto has chosen to follow, now that the wind had turned. Strange, isn't it? If Hypeiron goes to court, it's the"bad guys wasting developer money". If Cloanto goes to court, it's "defeating the evil empire".

I'm sorry, I don't get you. It's a waste on either side, and it is actually triggered by Cloanto this time that my work is wasted. Thank you so much for that.
 

Offline OlafS3

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #299 on: March 05, 2020, 02:31:15 PM »
in a perfect world Hyperion and Cloanto would have negotiated in the background and agreed to a kind of contract but obviously the differences are too big. And you are now understandable not happy that your work comes in this legal mess. But it is how it is. Hopefully the current situation changes in future. If the results will be like you want them has to be seen.