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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Announcements and Press Releases => Topic started by: Argo on April 27, 2011, 04:49:12 AM
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From the Hyperion Entertainment Blog:
Are you are software development professional?
Are you passionate about software development?
Do you want to contribute to AmigaOS by working directly on its source code?
The AmigaOS software development team could use your help.
If you are serious about helping with AmigaOS software development then please contact me today.
I look forward to discussing how you may be able to contribute.
Steven Solie
AmigaOS Development Team Lead
http://blog.hyperion-entertainment.biz/?p=327
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Anyone who has seen the AmigaOS source code will likely not be able to contribute to AROS or other AmigaOS alternative OS ever again.
I'll pass.
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Anyone who has seen the AmigaOS source code will likely not be able to contribute to AROS or other AmigaOS alternative OS ever again.
I'll pass.
Why not? :confused:
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Why not? :confused:
In order to gain access to the source you're undoubtedly required to sign a non-disclosure agreement and a non-compete clause.
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In order to gain access to the source you're undoubtedly required to sign a non-disclosure agreement and a non-compete clause.
That's the way it works in most of the software companies. But if you are good in negotiations, you can shorten the non-complete clause to 3 or 5 years then work on whatever you want.
BTW since MorphOS is not a legal entity, if you work on AmigaOS, working on MorphOS will not be considered as working on competitive clause.
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BTW since MorphOS is not a legal entity, if you work on AmigaOS, working on MorphOS will not be considered as working on competitive clause.
Hehe, nice one. Care to tell that to Ben Hermans while you're at it?
It's evident that AmigaOS project is stagnated and falling behind. The promised basic features are still not available to end users. Users are stuck to flaky USB1, old Workbench, lacking 3D support, and installing various 68k components to get even the basic functionality one might expect (say console with review buffer). Promises of release or the component being in beta testing doesn't quite do it.
I personally don't have any interest at AmigaOS anymore. There's nothing AmigaOS could offer that wouldn't be implemented in a better way elsewhere. The "designers" have taken it to the directions I don't want to follow (adding pointless interfaces, adding pointless alien APIs, breaking both source and binary compatibility, adding "shared objects" that are not shared etc).
AmigaOS might want me, but I don't want AmigaOS.
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AmigaOS might want me, but I don't want AmigaOS.
Hehe, I was just going to type that AmigaOS wants You and you know it. This is the only chance for Amiga union. You still can work secretly on MorphOS signing as Secret Piru (Spiru) for example.
BTW AmigaOS is available for recently released hardware (Sam 460) and soon on the Natami (if AROS does not evolve to being fully compatible with AmigaOS).
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It's evident that AmigaOS project is stagnated and falling behind.
There's a lot of bad things one could say about the performance of various AmigaOS4 developers in internet forums. But they never make public statements about MorphOS or AROS, let alone negative statements.
That's a good thing, you know.
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i always say - lets get together and drink a beer. all these flamewars are pure poison for the "amiga"-market..
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@cgutjahr
So the problem wasn't the content of the message but the messenger?
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Closed OS? Pay me.
Open Source? I MIGHT work for free :D
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That's the way it works in most of the software companies. But if you are good in negotiations, you can shorten the non-complete clause to 3 or 5 years then work on whatever you want.
In 3 or 5 years there won't be an OS4 to work on.
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@cgutjahr
So the problem wasn't the content of the message but the messenger?
Yes, exactly.
Do you write 'open letters' each time atheist or helgis claim that MorphOS is illegal?
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Yes, exactly.
Do you write 'open letters' each time atheist or helgis claim that MorphOS is illegal?
No.
Then again I don't spread misinformation and lies like mr Haynie did.
I'm curious though: You think everything I post or say I do as a MorphOS Team member?
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Good luck to find a developer, who knows Amiga inside out and willing to join to this shipwreck called Hyperion.
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It's evident that AmigaOS project is stagnated and falling behind. The promised basic features are still not available to end users. Users are stuck to flaky USB1, old Workbench, lacking 3D support, and installing various 68k components to get even the basic functionality one might expect (say console with review buffer). Promises of release or the component being in beta testing doesn't quite do it.
I personally don't have any interest at AmigaOS anymore. There's nothing AmigaOS could offer that wouldn't be implemented in a better way elsewhere. The "designers" have taken it to the directions I don't want to follow (adding pointless interfaces, adding pointless alien APIs, breaking both source and binary compatibility, adding "shared objects" that are not shared etc).
As a paying customer of OS4, I am starting to feel the same way.
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In 3 or 5 years there won't be an OS4 to work on.
Yep because it will be OS5 :)
Why do so many of you feel the need to reply with another dig/wismly remark towards Hyperion and OS4 team just simple asking for help? if your not intrested then their no need for a reply.
I wish I could help, but dont have the skills, the hardware, or really the time :(
I hope you find someone and get Classic OS4.1 and X1000 out soon!
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In 3 or 5 years there won't be an OS4 to work on.
You are repeating this broken record since 2005. Keep going on if that makes you happy.
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Open source OS4. Let anyone and everyone tinker with it. It's way too late to make this a commercial success, that train left the station more than a decade ago. Use the Linux model and have Hyperion take the role that Canonical serves in the Linux community.
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No.
Exactly, because the messenger does matter.
Then again I don't spread misinformation and lies like mr Haynie did.
I'm with you on that one, just trying to prove a point.
I'm curious though: You think everything I post or say I do as a MorphOS Team member?
No, I'm saying that's what some of the readers will see when they read your comments - which is not doing much for the climate of discusssion.
Just like a lot of people (you included) noticed "CBM hero accuses MorphOS of being illegal" two weeks ago and it suddenly had a lot more weight than the 500 times it had been claimed by other people in the past.
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Meh - according to the little birdies, all this red vs blue nonsense will soon be over.
Now for squishing AROS and MorphOS together and creating the Kwisatz Haderach of amiga operating systems, from 68k, PPC on up.
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Not being a big fan of OS4, MorphOS or AROS as they're not really proper Amiga operating systems as they don't run on "REAL" Amigas (ie: in 68K and not PPC or whatever)...
I don't get why folk actually go on about them so much on an Amiga forum, at the end of the day none of them (unless AROS finally release a proper 68K version) are really going to be of any use to the majority of the last remaining Amiga users and their real hardware, often wonder why anyone actually bothers with continuing to develop them when they really haven't much to do with real Amiga hardware... :)
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AROS and OS 4 do run on REAL Amigas.
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AROS and OS 4 do run on REAL Amigas.
If by real Amigas you mean 68K + PPC acc then MorphOS runs too.
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AROS and OS 4 do run on REAL Amigas.
I've got OS4.0 and it requires a PPC board to run, that why I mentioned PPC in the post, how many folk using a desktop A1200 actually own a PPC board... :)
The point I was trying to make is (and I'm not putting all the work that folk have put into these OS's down) for you average Amiga user with say a desktop A500/600 or 1200 is just what use are these systems to them when they can't run them on a bog standard or 030/040/060 Amiga... :)
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If by real Amigas you mean 68K + PPC acc then MorphOS runs too.
Well, MOS 1.x does certainly. Is there a version of 2 that runs on PowerUP boards?
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The point I was trying to make is (and I'm not putting all the work that folk have put into these OS's down) for you average Amiga user with say a desktop A500/600 or 1200 is just what use are these systems to them when they can't run them on a bog standard or 030/040/060 Amiga... :)
I never were able to use Prepcard on my A2000 - and the HDToolbox won't work with my A1000 floppy disks...oh dear. :-)
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From the Hyperion Entertainment Blog:
Are you are software development professional?
Are you passionate about software development?
Do you want to contribute to AmigaOS by working directly on its source code?
The AmigaOS software development team could use your help.
If you are serious about helping with AmigaOS software development then please contact me today.
I look forward to discussing how you may be able to contribute.
Steven Solie
AmigaOS Development Team Lead
http://blog.hyperion-entertainment.biz/?p=327
OMG, has things gone that far? And ssolie has taken up the "AmigaOS Development Team Lead"? Well the signs are stacking up...
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There's a lot of bad things one could say about the performance of various AmigaOS4 developers in internet forums. But they never make public statements about MorphOS or AROS, let alone negative statements.
Yeah right, which planet has you been living on for the last decade?
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OMG, has things gone that far? And ssolie has taken up the "AmigaOS Development Team Lead"? Well the signs are stacking up...
Who is ssolie and what happened to the Friedens and Steffen Haeuser? I haven't really been keeping up with things OS4-related so I'm probably hopelessly out of date. Did they retire or something?
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In order to gain access to the source you're undoubtedly required to sign a non-disclosure agreement and a non-compete clause.
Well, even though there weren't any NDA, seeing the source code or even the comments is enough to say you will copy it so... ;)
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Just like a lot of people (you included) noticed "CBM hero accuses MorphOS of being illegal" two weeks ago and it suddenly had a lot more weight than the 500 times it had been claimed by other people in the past.
These claims had been circulating for 10 years. It had been a long time they had resurfaced, and I was quite disappointed to learn that Mr Haynie was the one to bring it up again. I decided to challenge him to produce the evidence and none was presented. Any further such claims without proof can now be easily discredited as FUD that they are. This new situation is way better than such claims going unchallenged.
Now that this is settled: I wanted to explain why I consider AmigaOS dead in the current path and form. If I had to spell out some uncomfortable facts to do that, so be it.
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and installing various 68k components to get even the basic functionality one might expect (say console with review buffer).
Say console and stop, there are no other 68k component used except this.
Other modules (such USB2) are in betatesting and yes betatesting does not mean they will be never released and i'm quite sure you know very well how it works as after 1.4.5 MorphOS 2.0 developed took 3 years to be released to end users
But i'm sure you never ending your personal war againts anythings OS4 related
AmigaOS might want me, but I don't want AmigaOS.
Amen
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@ samo79
Come on, the USB2 drivers have been in beta for *years* - that's embarrassing from a development standpoint, and intolerably frustrating from a user standpoint. They should at least have them into use-at-your-own-risk public beta by now.
I want to love OS4, but the project management behind it isn't filling me with confidence.
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There's a lot of bad things one could say about the performance of various AmigaOS4 developers in internet forums. But they never make public statements about MorphOS or AROS, let alone negative statements.
That's a good thing, you know.
No they leave that to Hyperion management.
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Well, MOS 1.x does certainly. Is there a version of 2 that runs on PowerUP boards?
No and there won't be one.
And has anyone tried to download 1.X recently.
That link doesn't appear to work.
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Who is ssolie
Here is a little introduction of him, and the well-renomed "professional behavior" of OS4 developers:
http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=6248
http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=6285
http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=6287
http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=6308
and what happened to the Friedens and Steffen Haeuser? I haven't really been keeping up with things OS4-related so I'm probably hopelessly out of date. Did they retire or something?
Who knows? Who cares?
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You are repeating this broken record since 2005. Keep going on if that makes you happy.
Thanks!
So how are you enjoying the X1000 you won last July?
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hmm I wonder why very few AmigaOS4.x users are visiting this site:rolleyes:
Piru, I love you man because, as I stated numerous times, at least you're consistent BUT this thread obviously doesn't concern or interest you so why do you insist on posting in it:confused: Do you personlly have soemthing against Mr. Solie perhaps ?
Now how would you feel if the thread title was 'MOS wants you !' & every second post was some bloke who has absolutely no interest in MOS posting FUD on the thread.
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this thread obviously doesn't concern or interest you so why do you insist on posting in it:confused:
As numerous other people in this thread I explained why I am not interested. Why certain individuals took exception to what I said, I don't know.
Do you personlly have soemthing against Mr. Solie perhaps ?
No
Now how would you feel if the thread title was 'MOS wants you !' & every second post was some bloke who has absolutely no interest in MOS posting FUD on the thread.
How were why posts FUD?
If someone would post in that thread explaining why he wouldn't be interested I'd have no issues with that.
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Whasis "FUD" I keep seeing here... :(
Is it anything to do with Elmer ???
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Whasis "FUD" I keep seeing here... :(
Is it anything to do with Elmer ???
When people have a negative opinion or fact regarding Hyperion or OS4, it's refered to as FUD. FUD stands for Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt.
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When people have a negative opinion or fact regarding Hyperion or OS4, it's refered to as FUD. FUD stands for Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt.
Cheers for that Jorkany... :)
Could never figure that one out, thought it was some kind of swear words but I could never get anything to match up with the letter "U"... :)
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How were why posts FUD?
If someone would post in that thread explaining why he wouldn't be interested I'd have no issues with that.
well one example is:
"Now that this is settled: I wanted to explain why I consider AmigaOS dead in the current path and form. If I had to spell out some uncomfortable facts to do that, so be it."
again I would ask that you start a new thread stating why you think 'AmigaOS is dead in the current path and form' and to kindly leave this thread be ..of course unless you want to help Mr. Solie out with AmigaOS4.2;)