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Operating System Specific Discussions => AROS Research Operating System => Topic started by: deadwood on January 12, 2009, 04:54:22 PM
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Hi,
Stanislaw recently posted progress update on his work on porting OWB to AROS.
If you are interested in reading it, follow this link: http://sszymczy.rootnode.net/index.php?menu=projects&submenu=owb
PS.
The bountu is still open for donations: http://www.power2people.org/bounty_020.html
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Krzysztof
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ehehe that's great...
(http://sszymczy.rootnode.net/projects/owb/AROS_OWB2.png)
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Sorry for being completely stupid about this, but can AROS (Amiga Replacement OS) be run on a classic amiga, if so which ones (minimum spec for running)? Are there any/many known compatibility issues?
On a second note, if those are actual screenshots... This browser looks amazing...
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There was a 68K version of AROS a while back but I'm not sure if it's still being developed or not. Several people on here mentioned installing it and seemed quite pleased but that was many months ago. Most of the development, including OWB, is for the x86 version of AROS.
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There is no full install of 68K AROS at the moment, but you can try out AFA by Bernd which will give high-end 68k machine some advanced AROS features.
Those screenshots are real :-)
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if only there was some way to contribute to the bounties without paypal, i would, even though i'm not that interested in aros_x86 just for now.
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And there will be tabbed browsing also if I understand. Amazing work. Thank you Stanislaw.
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trip6 wrote:
can AROS (Amiga Replacement OS) be run on a classic amiga, if so which ones (minimum spec for running)?
Why bother? Just throw it onto an old PC from the junk yard and be amazed how lightning fast it runs...
I'm really looking forward to this browser.
PS: AROS means "AROS research operating system". ;-)
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lol. windows usually also makes a nice impression as long as you have no (3rd party) software installed on. so why bother with an os like aros_x86 as long as there isnt even something to install on?
edit:68k has at least already enough software to justify an os replacement or upgrade.
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wawrzon wrote:
lol. windows usually also makes a nice impression as long as you have no (3rd party) software installed on. so why bother with an os like aros_x86 as long as there isnt even something to install on?
I like these wrong assumptions, specially when they are thrown into a forum where other people can easily laugh at 'em. AROS used to lack of software long ago, but now it has good quality applications that can be used for different purposes, and others are rapidly coming. Just to give you a plain idea, when I composed the first 'concept' version 0.1 of my AROS distribution, it needed just 300 megs or so on the hard drive. Now it requires at least 1 GB. This process required only 12 months. I don't exactly know how an operating system without third party software could let you play dozens of games, read PDF files, extract files from multiple archive types, play AVI VMW MOV MPEG etc movies, show pictures, make fine photo-retouch and painting works, send and receive emails, compose music, play songs, create data-bases, browse the web, emulate other systems and so on. But with VmwAROS 1.0.1 you can do all these things and many others, so the possibilities are only two: either we are all dreaming, or your assumptions on AROS' third party software are wrong.
edit:68k has at least already enough software to justify an os replacement or upgrade.
That's questionable as well, since 68k applications are generally obsolete, and current software on actual platforms mostly give better results in less time, requiring also less efforts from users. So a replacement OS for 68K can be good for retrocomputing, that's something only a strict niche of people does. Moreover, you can easily use 68k apps within AROS using the E-UAE emulator: this also assures the BEST compatibility, since they are working in a completely emulated, original environment.
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I should point out that the vmaros requires a gig of HD space for 3rd party apps... The actual AROS OS fits happily on a single 1.44Meg floppy disk :-)
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@wawrzon
With all the other alternatives you got to invest 800-1000 €
to even look at it and see if you like it.
Condsidering most people have some kind of wintel box at home at home nowdays, the cost for you is the price of a DVD or CD.
You decide whats worth it for you.
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@deadwood
Best screenshot is this one:
(http://sszymczy.rootnode.net/projects/owb/AROS_OWB9.png)
:-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o
When can we get a stable release of this? (With the Zune GUI of course)
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ok, maybe thats just me, but last time i gave vmw_aros a try it didnt even want to load. i will have another look soon if you say thats wort it, not that you think i refuse aros completely. on the other hand the so called classic although outdated software and performancewise still seems offer roughly similar functionality and it doesnt need to be hosted on windows.
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If you have XP installed, you could always dowload
Vmware player, and the VE version of vmwaros.
That way you can very easily have a look.
There is no secret AROS can be problematic to boot on certain
hardware I've dealt with a few myself. We can only hope for
more devs and more drivers in the future.
But if you really (after looking at AROS in the VMWare virtual
environment) want to build your own working machine you could
look at the Aros Wiki in search of which hardware currently
gives the best results.
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@DBAlex
I think this one is better :)
(http://sszymczy.rootnode.net/projects/owb/AROS_OWB10.png)
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Manu wrote:
If you have XP installed, you could always dowload
Vmware player, and the VE version of vmwaros.
That way you can very easily have a look.
No need to do that anymore. VmwAROS Live! already includes a whole virtual machine (QEMU) which can run VmwAROS Live! inside Windows, as like as any other application. The only issue is speed: it's heavily slower than running straight on real hardware.
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@Paolone
Ok, that was new to me. I'll check that out.
@deadwood
Arrgghh you have a copy, when can us others test ?
How's the speed ? *EDIT* AH ! you got the link from Stanislaw.
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Is it just me or why close button is misplaced in tabs? ;-)
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So what kind of X86 and how much ram is required to run the browser and AROS?
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itix wrote:
Is it just me or why close button is misplaced in tabs? ;-)
If you usually use Firefox, it's in the right place. If you prefer Internet Explorer, it's in the wrong place.
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@Persia
I don't know the recommended minimum, but I had an PIII 733 Mhz, 256 MB lying around. I put an old NVidia card in it and AROS boots easily on that one, under 40 sec, and warm reboot about 10 sec. The OS runs ok, no slowdowns with opening closing applications or windows etc.
I not that privileged that I could have tried out that browser
yet but I don't expect it to be sluggish at all on that hardware.
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paolone wrote:
itix wrote:
Is it just me or why close button is misplaced in tabs? ;-)
If you usually use Firefox, it's in the right place. If you prefer Internet Explorer, it's in the wrong place.
It is not about being used to FF or IE, but about UI coherence. And in Amigaish OSes the close gadget is always left (for a reason).
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Have you ever considered putting the install for AROS live on CDs? I have a laptop that meets those specs but it's too stupid to boot off a USB DVD drive. I'd love to install all that stuff but can't without a DVD drive!
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If you mean VMW Aros Live, all the previous versions came out on CD, it is only this l;atest release which has grown beyong CD capicity.
AROS itself still come on CD in the form of Nightly Builds, but lack most of what makes VMW AROS so good!!
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persia wrote:
Have you ever considered putting the install for AROS live on CDs? I have a laptop that meets those specs but it's too stupid to boot off a USB DVD drive. I'd love to install all that stuff but can't without a DVD drive!
Sorry, but the way VmwAROS (and AROS itself) installs forces me to place everything on a single media. I'm studying a solution for the problem, but nothing that can be anticipated.
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It is not about being used to FF or IE, but about UI coherence. And in Amigaish OSes the close gadget is always left (for a reason).
The reason is that placing the close gadget on the right corner would bring people clicking accidetally on it, instead of performing other operations as they wish. On tabs you can't perform those operations. Amiga UI didn't also include "closeable" tabs: Stanislaw had to program this feature by himself and add it to Zune. I don't think we can talk about "UI coherente" at all, in this case...
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How is javascript on this OWB port? What is Google Docs like to use?
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Google Docs?
Stanislaw said..
I don't know yet, I have to fix remaining problems with OpenSSL on AROS first.
link (http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=26001#forumpost26001)
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@paolone
On AmigaOS UI the most coherent place would be the left side because you already close other GUI elements (e.g. Windows) with a gadget on the left.
Putting close gadgets at the right of the tabs will confuse amigans since amigans have close gadgets at left. Putting the close gadget at the right on MS Windows is the best place since the user closes the windows with a gadget located at the right.
Anyway if the close gadget of the tabs was configurable problem solved for those people who is used to alien OSes with close gadgets on the right.
PS: Stanislaw has done a great work :-)
PS2: But I hope he makes the position of the tabs close gadget configurable and that he locates it at the left so it follows AmigaOS UI style.
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I not entirely sure the close gadget needs to be on the left of a tab for a consistant UI since in my mind the tab is unrelated to the window decoration...
That said, Apple have the window close gadget on the left... And have their tab close gadget on the left... They pay people millions of dollars every year to think about this stuff... So I guess they are correct :-)
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Yeah sure thats why they came up with such an inspired piece of software as iTunes :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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JJ wrote:
Yeah sure thats why they came up with such an inspired piece of software as iTunes :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I would mock it too... But it has somehow been more sucessful than any other content delivery platform ever made... :shrug:
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How is javascript on this OWB port? What is Google Docs like to use?
Like this :)
(http://sszymczy.rootnode.net/projects/owb/AROS_OWB12.png)
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@bloodline
Windows have gadgets and gadgets are not "decoration", gadgets are part of the UI.
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But in AROS the gadgets are part of the decoration system and the location of the close gadget is controlled by the decoration prefs and can be either left or right! (depending upon design) ;)
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In Firefox, about:config, browser.tabs.closeButtons (http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.tabs.closeButtons) lets you choose where you want them to be.
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Crumb wrote:
@paolone
On AmigaOS UI the most coherent place would be the left side because you already close other GUI elements (e.g. Windows) with a gadget on the left.
Since on AROS the close gadget is part of the decoration stuff (and hence it is user-configurable), it can be either placed on the left or the right.
Putting close gadgets at the right of the tabs will confuse amigans since amigans have close gadgets at left. Putting the close gadget at the right on MS Windows is the best place since the user closes the windows with a gadget located at the right.
I frankly hope amigans are not so retarded to be confused by the ONLY gadget present on the tab (apart the title).
Anyway if the close gadget of the tabs was configurable problem solved for those people who is used to alien OSes with close gadgets on the right.
I hope Stanislaw will look into this only later and if he has time to waste, because the most urget goal is to have a working, full-featured browser, and not making happy a few people who has ALWAYS to be negative for something and to cry for stupid things (like this one).
The big news is we finally have a browser, and what I have got to read here? "the close gadget in tabs is in the wrong place". I really can't express how silly this comment is IMHO.
PS: Stanislaw has done a great work :-)
Well, at least this is clear to everyone.
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@paolone
Since on AROS the close gadget is part of the decoration stuff (and hence it is user-configurable), it can be either placed on the left or the right.
Then the close gadget of whatever element should be located in the same place to keep the usage uniform and to avoid confusion.
I frankly hope amigans are not so retarded to be confused by the ONLY gadget present on the tab (apart the title).
Some people may expect the user is not so retarded to require a GUI or "launching scripts" with fashionable names, but users like GUIs and good designed GUIs have uniform way of working without arbitrarities.
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All AROS is missing now is a World of Warcraft client and then I won't need Windows/Mac anymore, lol!