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Offline Iggy

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Re: Would it not be better to work together?
« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2011, 01:11:17 PM »
Bah, active collaboration? Amigoid OS' are similar enough that a good program should be fairly easy to port across systems.
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Re: Would it not be better to work together?
« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2011, 01:15:31 PM »
Teamwork is great, but not at the expense of whatever it was you were doing in the first place. The different Amiga-like platform projects in development are different because people had honest disagreements about which way things should go, not because they just haven't thought of combining their efforts, and that should be respected. Besides, they can still benefit from each other - the open-source Kickstart that the AROS folks wanted to run AROS on their 68k Amigas, for example, is providing NatAmi with a bootstrap by which they can run 68k software without having to pay licensing fees. As long as these groups keep an attitude of mutual amiability, they can benefit from each other's work without giving up what they are.
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Re: Would it not be better to work together?
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2011, 01:25:01 PM »
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Bah, active collaboration? Amigoid OS' are similar enough that a good program should be fairly easy to port across systems.

Try to port an OS4 app that makes heavy use of OS4 only features to 3.x or MorphOS.

It's quicker to write it again from scratch.
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Re: Would it not be better to work together?
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2011, 01:29:28 PM »
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It was tried in 2003 and it failed:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2801

http://web.archive.org/web/20040405022020/http://openamiga.tk/

MorphOS got the best of breed of the accepted community standards (MUI, CGX, Poseidon etc) AROS cloned them and OS4 was left with the shyte that was left over from H&P and their own NIH stuff. ;)

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Re: Would it not be better to work together?
« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2011, 01:41:55 PM »
Who's this guy called Don ???

And why does he have a flame-proof jacket... ;)
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Re: Would it not be better to work together?
« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2011, 04:16:49 PM »
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You'd never even get them to agree on the standards as each would have different standards that they simply wouldn't budge on... :)

Anyway once you agree to a standard and most stick to it, someone else just comes along and decides those standards are too restricting and so they begin something new that doesn't fit the agreed standards, and the whole thing starts all over once again... :)


Standardisation=bad for consumer. Look how crap buying an off the shelf computer has become now...Intel Mac or Wintel/AMDwin box. You can keep it. Thank goodness we have Sony + Nintendo still in the console market.

Greed from software houses led to no more choice like in the wonderful 80-90s. Each generation was a revolution as it should be.
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Re: Would it not be better to work together?
« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2011, 05:04:16 PM »
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Wow Bloodline looks the same in his pic back then as he does today... methinks he's really Joan Rivers... :)


That's cruel!
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Re: Would it not be better to work together?
« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2011, 05:06:13 PM »
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People do work together, and when they do you get opensouce projects like AROS and MiniMig :)


Problem for even open source is that it has to be a modern open source to survive.  I think that is the biggest loadstone for the Amiga community, it's just reimplementation of an old school OS (which was cutting edge at the time).  Until that loadstone is gone, any cooperation is going to be futile.  I know, I just touched a third rail, but once the fog of battle clears and the view of the destruction that the community has gone under for the past 17 years, there is not much left worth fixing, it's time to rebuild.  That means the old has to be torn down for the new.
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Re: Would it not be better to work together?
« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2011, 05:17:24 PM »
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That's cruel!


Oi... you changed me words... where's me lawyer... :furious:

Although now you mention it, I can see the resemblance... :D
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Re: Would it not be better to work together?
« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2011, 05:19:04 PM »
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Wow Bloodline looks the same in his pic back then as he does today... methinks he's really Cliff Richard... :)
Lol! The scary thing is that old photo is at least 13 years old!!! I have a few wrinkles and a few gray hairs now :)
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Re: Would it not be better to work together?
« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2011, 05:22:54 PM »
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Problem for even open source is that it has to be a modern open source to survive.  I think that is the biggest loadstone for the Amiga community, it's just reimplementation of an old school OS (which was cutting edge at the time).  Until that loadstone is gone, any cooperation is going to be futile.  I know, I just touched a third rail, but once the fog of battle clears and the view of the destruction that the community has gone under for the past 17 years, there is not much left worth fixing, it's time to rebuild.  That means the old has to be torn down for the new.


Imagine the outcry if they said "it's time to tear down the Pyramids (or the local chippy)" some things are classic and timeless and are best left in the hands of the curators and those who truly appreciate them for what they are... :)
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Re: Would it not be better to work together?
« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2011, 05:45:14 PM »
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Who's this guy called Don ???

And why does he have a flame-proof jacket... ;)

Because Belgians breath fire.
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Re: Would it not be better to work together?
« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2011, 05:58:20 PM »
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Lol! The scary thing is that old photo is at least 13 years old!!! I have a few wrinkles and a few gray hairs now :)


I always thought it was the lead singer from ABC?!
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Re: Would it not be better to work together?
« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2011, 06:01:53 PM »
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Standardisation=bad for consumer. Look how crap buying an off the shelf computer has become now...Intel Mac or Wintel/AMDwin box. You can keep it. Thank goodness we have Sony + Nintendo still in the console market.

Greed from software houses led to no more choice like in the wonderful 80-90s. Each generation was a revolution as it should be.


Hi,

Wow, you still buy off the shelf computers!!!

I build my own, that way I get to choose what I have in my computer, the only off the shelf computer I have in my house is for my youngest son and yes you are right it is a piece of crap.

As far as game consoles please take it to a sony or nintendo site. I wouldn't own one of those piece of sheet if you paid me. I have a WII only because it came with the car I purchased, I laugh at it every time I go in the living room.

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Re: Would it not be better to work together?
« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2011, 06:07:30 PM »
Quote from: Franko;620021
Imagine the outcry if they said "it's time to tear down the Pyramids (or the local chippy)" some things are classic and timeless and are best left in the hands of the curators and those who truly appreciate them for what they are... :)


Hi,

I agree with you on this Franko, the classic Amiga's should stay as they are, no one but Jay Miner could call the shots on this.

but

On the same token, the reason the pyramids still stand is because of the generation that built them, for todays generation, well do you think you could live in a pyramid. Not really, they had no electric, no heat, no air conditioning, no refrigerator, etc. etc.

Time moved on and so must we.

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Re: Would it not be better to work together?
« Reply #29 from previous page: March 06, 2011, 06:08:04 PM »
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Lol! The scary thing is that old photo is at least 13 years old!!! I have a few wrinkles and a few gray hairs now :)



:P
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