The AmigaOne is NOT "just a Teron board"!

[samface]

What most people fail to realize here seems to be the fact that Amiga branded hardware has gone from beeing custom/exotic chipset based to a form of industry standard. However, we're not talking an "open" industry standard here meaning that all Articia & PPC based solutions would run AmigaOS. It's about an "Amiga" standard for Amiga hardware manufacturers. If you are an Amiga hardware manufacturer, the licensing issues are no problem what so ever. On the contrary, they're actually very beneficial as they allow you to become an "official" Amiga hardware manufacturer rather than some clone or accelerator board maker which the OS wasn't made for running on in the first place.

I think this entire discussion is pretty silly. I mean, if Pegasos fans wants AmigaOS4 support, tell that to bPlan. It's plain stupid to hold Amiga Inc. responsible for not supporting their competitors product, you know.

[samface]

since when did Amiga.inc make motherboards? since when where they a hardware company at all?... didnt know they competed with hardware companys... this is news to me...i thought they said they would be a 'software only' company and thus would want to sell as much software as possible./  

All they ever did was outsource the hardware production. Their product is still a complete platform, not just software.

[samface]

I'm sorry, you are at very least misinformed, but more likely since you started this thread, you are trying to misinform the Amiga Community.

By that sentence, you accuse Eyetech of beeing liars as well. In case you missed it, this information is the official information available from Eyetech's website.

But then, of course we should believe in your words as you are more trustworty than the manufacturers themselves? Get real.

[samface]

In the x86/PPC threads, a comment was made that they chose PPC boards because they couldnt support all the bios motherboard combos of x86. They dont want you to realize they could have just as easily picked a much more powerful (and cheaper) x86 motherboard chose to just support it, and had a larger group buy in to the "Amiga One". Right now, I can tell you my P4 running UAE outperforms what you will see from the fastest of the Amiga Ones, and my motherboard and processor cost substantially less then $800, in fact the whole computer cost less then that.

Oh please! You're comparing an oven with a microwave. Sure, the microwave is cheaper and faster, but is it able to cook all the meals the oven can do? No. If you want AmigaOS4, then buy an Amiga computer. It's really as simple as that.

[samface]

I'm amazed how some jump into threads without even reading the initial post. This is also from Eyetechs website (http://www.eyetech.co.uk/amigaone/faq.php):

Is the AmigaOneG3-SE the same as the MAI Teron Cx?

No. During the period leading up to the OS4 development agreement being signed we evaluated the Articia S northbridge chip for possible use in a redesigned AmigaOne. We concluded that it was the most cost-effective chip for the design and proceeded to draw up some new specifications for an uprated, more cost-effectively engineered AmigaOne, the AmigaOneG3-SE. Clearly using the Articia S instead of Escena's custom northbridge design meant that both the schematic design and the PCB layout would be entirely new. MAI logic are a chipset manufacturer, not a PPC motherboard manufacturer, but they had commissioned a low volume, high cost evaluation board, the Teron Cx, to help sell their chipsets. The Teron Cx was never designed to, or intended to, go into volume production. We therefore asked them if they could recommend a design company who was familiar with using the Articia S in PPC motherboard design. They recommended the same (Far Eastern) company that designed their Teron Cx evaluation board.

The new Eyetech AmigaOne design obviously shares a lot of commonality with the Teron Cx board, but more than a cursory glance at the specifications (ATA speed, integrated ethernet, custom firmware, number of active PCI/AGP slots etc) - and the price - of both boards should be enough to convince most people that they really are different designs.

However if you remain unconvinced you are of course perfectly welcome to purchase the Teron Cx evaluation board. It costs $3900, misses many features of the AmigaOneG3-SE, and won't run OS4.

Also, perhaps I should inform you that there is no company called Teron at all, their name is MAI logics.

The announcement regarding Eyetech as a distributor of their boards is only just that. It has nothing to do with the Teron based but modified AmigaOne design at all.

[samface]

my question to you sameface is DID YOU read the TeronCX specs and compare them to what they say is 'differant' ?... because NOTHING is...

Those are not even my words that you quoted, it's from Eyetech's website.

Anyway, the MAI board has been revised since that FAQ was written and I'm not sure wether MAI has simply implemented the Eyetech modifications but nevertheless, Eyetech did those modifications and therefore differ from the *original* Teron CX design. Before you claim otherwise, get proof or stop trolling. We have enough FUD going around anyway.

[samface]

I'm posting a PDF file from MIA's site.. you show me a differance here... I wanna see what it is.
http://www.mai.com/products/BRV850R2.0.pdf

Do you see the "R2.0" ending of that file? I "think" (with extremely high plausability) that means revision 2.0. The MAI board has been improved *after* Eyetech did their modifications to the previous revision. Interpret that any way you want, facts remain: Eyetech's board is a modified version of the previous MAI revision and these modifications were made by Eyetech according to the official information available.

[samface]

If you look at this announcement on MAI's homepage, then you'll have the proof that the improvements to the MAI board has been made after Eyetech implemented theirs.

[samface]

didnt I just post take some text off eyetechs website and post that and then post a PDF describing in detail the TeronCX... I think I have proof... if you dont like what you read then just say you dont like it... in any case if anyone isnt bieng 'truthful' with 'proof' its eyetech for claiming something that isnt true...

At the time of when the FAQ was written, yes it was true.

Now focus on the issue here; have Eyetech, or have Eyetech not made any modifications themselves to the originally acquired Teron CX design from MAI?

Like I said; you have no proof that these modifications are not made by Eyetech. Pointing at the new Teron CX design which has the same specifications is no proof of that.

Atleast I have proof that these new Teron CX specifications has been implemented after Eyetech did their modifications. How could Eyetech possibly steal a design that didn't even exist yet?

[samface]

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and what proof is that samface? do you have a 'date' ?... eyetech is no proof since their 'spec' could have been for TeronCX R2...

What happened to your eyes, man? Have you problems reading? Let's quote *myself*:

If you look at this announcement on MAI's homepage, then you'll have the proof that the improvements to the MAI board has been made after Eyetech implemented theirs.

That announcement is dated: August 13, 2002

According to Eyetech's A1 website here: http://www.eyetech.co.uk/amigaone/
the FAQ was last updated the 20th of June.

Proof enough?

[samface]

Which part of this has confused you into believing that Eyetech is doing is anything more then changing boot proms???

Which part has confused you into thinking differently? The part where it says that they will distribute boards *based* on the Teron CX/PX design?

Hint: When something is "based" on another, it's actually indicating that it's not entirely the same.

[samface]

nowhere here does it say Eyetech engineered anything

And nowhere does it say that the AmigaOne is using this design.

furthermore it also proves that eyetech's site has bogus info for not bieng updated properly.

Why should they update information about another product which doesn't affect or has anything to do with the AmigaOne? Neither is anything bogus as you have yet to proof that Eyetech hasn't modified the original Teron CX design rather than making use of the revision 2 design of Teron CX. To me; it could just as well have been MAI who has made use of Eyetech's improvements. I mean, they are partners after all. Also, I don't know if MAI would really accept Eyetech's behaviour if what you say would be true.

You're reasoning is very odd, my friend. I mean, if I'm riding a bike and at the same time telling everyone that I am riding a bike, would that turn into a lie the moment I step off the bike? No, it was true at the moment of when I said it and it's the same with Eyetech's website.

[samface]

Thank you ksk. That's exactly what I'm trying to tell these people. But then, I think we're both wasting our time on these guys, they seem to be blinded by Amiga Inc. hatred or something. Just look at their arguments getting more and more desperate...  :roll:

[samface]

Eyetech is "just" a distributor of Mai Logic's products. Eyetech, or other distributors, have nothing at all to do with design, development or upgrading of the boards.

Explain to me this:

1. How come the improved revision of the MAI Teron CX design didn't show up on MAI's homepage until 2 months after the Teron CX *based* AmigaOne design?

2. How come MAI accepts Eyetech giving out this as official information on their website? I mean, they even has links to Eyetech's website on their own, don't tell me they haven't noticed.

3. Hasn't even Bill McEwan himself declared you a liar already? I read three or four "untrue" statements from him as a reply to your FUD about them and their licensing policies in an interview on ExtremeTech recently. He also said that he will "set the record straight" and reply to that statement you made in their forums. Perhaps you should stay low for a while before you have that reply? I mean, atleast you know that they've heard you now so there's no need to keep shouting about it anymore.

[samface]

it says production systems not boards.

..and the difference is? Meaning?