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Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #44 from previous page: March 03, 2020, 04:52:11 PM »
Which developers do Cloanto owe salaries to?
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Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #45 on: March 03, 2020, 04:53:27 PM »
Which developers are not getting paid from Cloanto’s products?
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Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #46 on: March 03, 2020, 07:51:00 PM »
@Minuous

OS3.1.4 is “developed under license”, and who is the licenser at this point?

Licenses can be terminated.
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Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #47 on: March 03, 2020, 10:40:11 PM »
The lawsuits are about getting rid of Hyperion once and for all, and just about everyone are in on it.
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Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #48 on: March 04, 2020, 09:47:56 PM »
A-EON wants to take over OS4 and Cloanto wants to take over OS3 - Hyperion is in the way.
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Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #49 on: March 05, 2020, 06:16:19 AM »
@Gulliver
You live under a rock or something? The “cooperation” between AEON and Hyperion went sour years ago, Trevor was furious with Hermans and stated something to the effect of “this is now personal”. As pointed out by your fellow despoiler Minuous, Trevor has also been supporting Cloanto financially, to pay developers and who knows what else (can you think of anything??)

The only entity somewhat supporting Hyperion at this point is iComp, a licensee who is slowly realizing that he’s been duped, that his investment was made on false premises and his licenses are in limbo.
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Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #50 on: March 05, 2020, 08:43:22 AM »
Others have been in your position many times before, this is not guesswork, this is simple observations.
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Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #51 on: March 05, 2020, 09:01:30 AM »
That was in 2007, according to the linked article, so presumably it was not done as some kind of anti-Hyperion measure.
So you like to downplay your own argument now?

Trevor has said many times in interviews that he works towards seeing “all Amiga under one roof” - who does he has best relations with, Cloanto or Hyperion? He has written pages about his appreciation for WinUAE, AmigaForever, AmigaKX (or whatever it was called), AmiKit, his own ALICE etc. Is he equally enthusiastic when he talks about Hyperion and the guy who he cofounded “old” A-EON with?
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Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #52 on: March 05, 2020, 04:46:51 PM »
So screwing up the Os 3.1.4 release with dubious “shrink wrap” license, wrongly phrased copyright statements, a kickstart directory with “emulators” in its name, a premature and broken shell, and plenty of OS 3.1 components that had not been touched since 3.1 and hence are not derived work, but the actual work, of intellectual property owned by Cloanto... was our fault? Or even Cloanto’s fault?

Are you also going to blame me for the brilliantly and so utterly well-informed Gulliver is writing on eab that AROS/68k is doomed, because the writing is on the wall - 68k AmigaOS will be open source?

Is it our fault that you decide that anyone who ever speak against you, is a troll?
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Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #53 on: March 06, 2020, 02:06:33 PM »
This stuff makes me think AROS is the only way forward.
It is - congrats, with this statement you are now well on your way to become a troll in the eyes of the people you wanted to defend here.
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Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #54 on: March 17, 2020, 02:32:14 PM »
Wild guess - the lawyers, like everyone else working for Hyperion... were not paid?
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Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #55 on: March 18, 2020, 03:43:38 PM »

No, this is right version :

Ask difficult questions 1000x and don't accept the answer =>  You troll!

Accept what answers, Thomas just keeps jumping in to repeat that he is not a spokes person for Hyperion and cannot answer the questions - even when the questions were never meant for him, for whatever reasons he just decide that he _has_ to respond. It would be much more useful if someone from Hyperion could answer, but they are not even around on their own support site.

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Want to know why device XY won't be supported anymore, don't accept the answer and ask it again 1000x
And yet - the support was and is there - and Thomas even provided a new kernel modul
(though some of us already had figured out how to get that kickstart module)

What I want to know, is how come the developers of the OS are lacking so much hardware - would it really be so hard for Hyperion to sponsor a handful of machines for these poor guys? I know Cloanto have sponsored hardware for UAE developers, cannot Hyperion do the same?

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Want Amiga OS 3.1.4 as an Open Source OS and tell it 1000x.

You clearly misunderstood the discussion - Thomas is not arguing about just OS being open source or not, his rants are very often about open source in general, refers to how "this is untrue, just look at my githib" which only consists of software that is not his, and for which he has no choice than to follow the license of respective creators - ironically, development of OS 3.1.4 and now 3.2 rely on open source tools and frameworks.

Besides, some other "OS team memeber", Gulliver, has written quite clearly that AmigaOS _WILL_ be open source, because it is unavoidable, regardless of whether Hyperion or Cloanto ends up as owner. And because of that "AROS/68k is doomed".

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Want to use AROS , tell it OS3.1.4 discussion 1000x

The one who keep bringing up AROS was Thomas, that is is answer to anyone who are against signing NDAs with Hyperion, or who in general are not satisfied with how OS3 is going... "go away, go use AROS if you want sources!"

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Make this kind of accusations, "Blindy accept the gospel according to Hyperion sanctioned devs"

Then answer this truthfully - do you accept and fully adhere to the software license of OS3.1.4?
You know, that software license that Thomas hasn't even bothered to read?

Or do you keep backups?
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Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #56 on: March 18, 2020, 10:03:46 PM »
You should understand this kolla and not made problems with it.

Why can they not arrange an agreement with their dear partner Trevor, who has a reputation of owning one of the larger amiga collections known to man, to borrow needed hardware?

Other developers manage - Terrible Fire, the Vampire team, Linux/68k developers, NetBSD developers... all of them have access to the very same hardware.

No, I really do not understand.

Should I put my hardware list in the signature too, for credibility? :)
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Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #57 on: March 23, 2020, 07:26:49 AM »
4000 E for A 4000 on Ebay is insane price.
Nobody reasonable will expect Hyperion to provide something like this for developers.

Why can't Hyperion speak with their good friend Trevor about borrowing hardware from his famous warehouse sized collection?
http://obligement.free.fr/gfx/trevordickinson_amiga_collection_5.jpg

Btw - see that "A1200/A600 4X BUFFERED IDE INTERFACE" ad up here, with phony "registered trademarks" all over it on it, and with (in typical AmigaKit domain squatting fashion) a dysfunctional link pointing to 1&1 IONOS domain hosting? That is the kind of hardware that was in question - I have a small handful of these in a box here, as well a couple of splitting cables somewhere that I built myself (the documentation for how to build one are on Aminet), and they are also implemented on UAEs as well as some FPGA systems, like the MiSTer. I was about to send one to Thomas when he discovered in the sources that scsi.device since OS3.9 and 4.0 days already does support these splitters, when a dummy kickstart module with a certain name is in place. This worked well enough for the splitters I have, so I considered it a solved issue. Does it work for all such IDE splitters? Probably not, some vendors (like Elbox) also do much more on theirs (like splitting 4GB+ drives into several "virtual" 4GB drives), but these rely on replacing scsi.device with their own old crap anyways (like the Elbox ata3.driver's scsi.device version "50.-0"...) and are hence not really relevant - the point is that IDEFix97 is now pretty much redundant.
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