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Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #29 from previous page: February 21, 2020, 02:14:57 PM »
You seem pretty intent on ignoring the fact that AmigaOs runs on obsolete hardware, and has an obsolete design as "operating system". Linux had a future because it had a sane design, and it run on hardware that offered a future. AmigaOs has neither. It is pretty pointless to compare the two.
Nine out of ten times, it is YOU who keep dragging in Linux as comparison.

Why not compare against something more similar, like Atari MiNT or RISC OS?

Oh, because Linux is the only open source system you ever had any contact with, right?
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Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2020, 09:33:27 PM »
There's nothing like that in the NDA. Why jump to these false conclusions about a document you have not even seen?

Because it is implicit - it is not Hyperion not allowing anything, it is AROS that cannot risk having AmigaOS developers contributing, because who know what Hyperion might do then - exactly because the documents that you refer to are not public.
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Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2020, 10:54:37 PM »
Yeah, we should all be happy that Hyperion never was involved in development of WinUAE.
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Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #32 on: February 22, 2020, 07:11:28 AM »
@Gulliver
The “huge number” was about people who don’t wish to work for or be associated with Hyperion, people who who refuse to sign any NDA with them. The number of people who have said they cannot contribute to AROS due to NDA is of course not a big number, as not that many have been willing to sign up with Hyperion in the first place. But some of these few have stated numerous of times, that contributing to AROS would be problematic for AROS, due to the NDAs they have signed, and the risk of exposing AROS to legal actions from Hyperion. Who stated this? Most prominent, Olsen.
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Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #33 on: February 22, 2020, 04:58:49 PM »
Actually, I want to preserve the 68K platform as retro platform.

You mean you want to preserve Amiga 68k as a retro platform, 68k as architecture manages perfectly fine without Amiga.

Isn't it ironic that you rely on open source software to accomplish your goal.
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Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #34 on: February 23, 2020, 09:20:58 AM »
@Minuous
Maybe you should take a class with professor Richter on the difference between implementations and interfaces.

OS 3.2 is also “lacking tons” compared to 3.1, stuff was removed, support was dropped, and 3.2 isn’t doing any better in this regard - how about we whine a little about that?
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Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #35 on: February 23, 2020, 03:07:54 PM »
The following quote from the AROS page is remarkable:

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There have been discussions about writing an advanced OS with the features of the AmigaOS. This has been dropped for a good reason. First, everyone agreed that the current AmigaOS would have to be enhanced, but no one knew how to do that or even agreed on what had to be enhanced or what was important. For example, some wanted memory protection, but they disliked its cost (a major rewrite of the available software and speed decrease).

In the end, the discussions ended in either flame wars or reiteration of the arguments.
Thus, even the AROS folks admit that Open Source does not allow to advance the Os in the Amiga community.
That’s not at all what the that text says - the topic in that text was whether creating a new OS was worth while or not, and if so, how. AROS has advanced and is improving steadily, especially on 68k now, the question is more about how “real” AmigaOS can remain relevant in the future.
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Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #36 on: February 24, 2020, 05:40:00 AM »
Yes, Mr “let’s ship whatever new we find in the leaked source archive with BB3+4”, you are so much better yourself.
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Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #37 on: February 24, 2020, 09:00:52 AM »
Why call it 3.X then?  Why not 3.10?  Seems they were ahead of the naming convention game even before OS X from Apple...

Because why not, because X does not indicate any number in particular, but rather signals "whatever".
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Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #38 on: February 24, 2020, 10:07:17 AM »
The "fear of open source" is now at the point that if it happens, certain somones would have to swallow so many camels and back-paddle so many harsh statements that they perhaps would find it impossible to participate or contribute.

Then there was this:
http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=1375937&postcount=71

Regarding AROS/68k...
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The problem is that eventually after an greement is reached, or any party wins the legal case, I am pretty sure AmigaOS 68k will be open sourced anyway. Both Hyperion and Cloanto have publicly mentioned this in the past.

So for AROS on 68k, the countdown has already started even if no one is noticing it. The writing is on the wall.

So Gulliver here, who is an "official OS-3.2 team member" as far I can tell (I feel like putting quotation marks around all the words there) is of the opinion that AmigaOS will be open sourced anyways, regardless of who wins the court case. If this is true, great. But perhaps this was just another groundless jab of FUD at AROS.
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Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #39 on: February 24, 2020, 02:13:27 PM »
Do you agree with this concern?

No - and closed source does not prevent this either.
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Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #40 on: February 24, 2020, 02:22:27 PM »
@Thomas Richter

Let me remind you that the topic here is a hobby operating system, which primary function is to be pretty to look at and launch old games - what you describe is just utter overkill. FFS...

Holy crap what a flashback - open amiga, an amiga council... this did not work 20 years ago, and will certainly not work now.
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Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #41 on: February 24, 2020, 02:45:02 PM »
I would rather see AmigaOS take same approach as HaikuOS - https://www.haiku-os.org/about/ and I also see Claonto as a much better equivalent to Haiku Inc than Hyperion can ever hope to be.
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Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #42 on: February 25, 2020, 09:58:57 AM »
You are contradicting yourself. At one point, you blame me for modifying the shell syntax (for reasons, I explained them).

I have not blamed you for syntax changes (what syntax changes?), I blamed you for introducing new features, apparently without much thorough testing, shipping this immature and buggy version of the shell,  _in kickstart roms_.

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At the other hand, you like to invite everybody to play with the sources as they like. How likely, do you think, is it then that somebody modifies the sources in another way you do not like? What happens then?

What happens then is that code is tested "in the wild" thoroughly for quite some time before ending up on kickstart rom chips.
Another thing that happens is that customers will not have to wait an unknown number of months for updates and bugfixes.

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Folks, this thing *requires* some sort of coordination, and you do not get that by "free forking for everyone", and "a troll attack every day".

This "free forking for everyone" FUD is nonsense, and giving trolls a committee does not help much.
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Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #43 on: February 25, 2020, 10:12:18 AM »
Most "forks" on github etc are not about forking projects, but more about having a source for pull requests to the main repo.

Also people keep "forks" simply as backup in case the main repo vanishes.

(I keep my own "forks" of quite a few projects just for simple modifications, mostly related to meta-data (tagging, packaging etc) and not so much because of actual code changes, these "forks" automatically pull from upstream regularly, and packages are built via gitlab-ci when I tag something for production ready.)
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Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #44 on: March 03, 2020, 04:52:11 PM »
Which developers do Cloanto owe salaries to?
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