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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: DonnyEMU on September 09, 2003, 06:55:37 AM
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Not that they probably really need it <> , but I think the Amiga Community needs to give some charity where it's most needed. So I am suggesting everyone send $1 Gift as a free gift contribution to Amiga, Inc. If every Amiga user sent them just one dollar I bet they would be in better position financially to make an impact.
Amiga, themselves would never ask for it so that's why I think it's such a cool idea..
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As long as Mr. McEwen didn't put it towards the million or so he's claiming as unpaid wages, I'd do it in a heartbeat. But then, who at AInc. would you trust with the, at most, couple thousand they might get?
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Bah!
They did nothing with the money they *had* over the last three years. Any "DE" developments have been closed and secret only to other developers. They haven't even kept their damn SDA and legal disclaimers up to date on the official dev site.
Why shovel any more money their way?
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Why shovel any more money their way?
Because they are "The One" ? :-)
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DonnyEMU wrote:
Amiga, themselves would never ask for it so that's why I think it's such a cool idea..
Amiga already did do it, its called sCAM and they got 1300 people to send $50 after they stopped paying employees, got kicked out of their offices, and stopped paying there bills, frankly where did that 65K go, since we know its not in the bank. Dont send a dime to Amiga Inc, if you want to send a dollar to help the amiga community, send the money to AROS or the Amiga Netscape fund or send one to your favorite Amiga site, there are several that could use the money, if you send it to Amiga.org Reoux the Karma Kitty will try to work something out for you :). McEwen & Moss have burned through millions of dollars of venture capital and gotten nothing done, giving them a few 1000 dollars more is a crazy idea.
-Tig
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Good God man, I reserve charity for the needy! By "needy" I mean people with life-threatening diseases, or widows and orphans... or, oh man, anything but oh hell nevermind.
Only Amiga.
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if you want to send a dollar to help the amiga community, send the money to AROS or the Amiga Netscape fund or send one to your favorite Amiga site, there are several that could use the money, if you send it to Amiga.org Reoux the Karma Kitty will try to work something out for you :)
Eh? Good point. Now that you mention it though, what ever happened to the kitty link that used to be on the main page? I can't seem to find him anywhere...
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True, let's leave Corporate Welfare to the Goverment.
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I agree with Tigger. What's more, I think you should take that dollar and donate it to the AmiZilla project if you have to give it away. Naturally, I think the whole community would be served if anyone could actually purchase a product.
There are a few active developers left. Think about ImageFX, FxPaint, FroggerNG, a new e.p.i.c. game, Vapor (http://www.vapor.com), Ibrowse, Amiga.org stuff, and many others. Consider hanging on to that cash for a Pegasos (http://www.pegasosppc.com).
As generic as it may sound, even donating some cash to www.mame.dk is benefitial to all. Finally, I must plug Amiga.org itself, Amiga.org does take donations.
Whatever is going to happen to Amiga Inc is going to happen. It's effectively too late for donations. It was really too late when they took the $50; otherwise, there would be about 1300 happy T-Shirt wearers now.
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@DonnyEMU,
Sorry but 1186 people sent them $50 US over a year ago and so far have not received anything tangible for their money, so to expect people to send more money to them just ain't right. We were told that the T-shirt thing would be sorted in the next few weeks a while back and still nothing. Not even a word about it since.
1186 X $50 = $59,300.00 Thats a lot of money that must of been squanderd on things other than what the money was intended for.
You could easily make 1186 t-shirts for less than $5 a piece and a buck or two to send them out.
1186 X $5 = $5,930.00 , $59,300.00 - $5,930.00 = $53,370.00 , thats a lot of change left over.
No coupons, No T-shirts, No discounts from partner companys, No new news on the delay, NOTHING !
Granted that there never was a date set for delivery of these things but thats really just a cop out.
So why would anybody send them one red cent until they deliver what has already been paid for ?
I've got the feeling we may never see what we paid for, but I really hope I'm wrong. :-(
And at least the delivery of A1's and OS4 wasn't up to Amiga.inc or there would really be hell to pay !
Sorry A.inc but you've really irked me and a lot of other customers I'm sure with the way you've handled all this.
>Rant Mode Off
:-)
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Alright, let me try this again...
Amiga is a "for profit" Corporation. When one wishes to invest in a "for profit" Corporation they do this as an "investor".
Why the hell would you give away money to a company that will consider it a "profit" for OTHERS who "invested" while giving you none of those profits in return?
If you really wish well, and believe in, Amiga Incorporated, invest in them as an "investor" so that if they become profitable you wil be rewarded for that investment.
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Tigger wrote:
Amiga already did do it, its called sCAM and they got 1300 people to send $50 after they stopped paying employees, got kicked out of their offices, and stopped paying there bills, frankly where did that 65K go, since we know its not in the bank.
It's fun to think of it this way. However, if they *did* do the right thing, as was claimed, and put the money into escrow, it wouldn't be in 'the bank;' it'd be held by an attorney or other unaffiliated agent in a separate account that, rightly, *couldn't* be touched even if the company foundered, at least until it got to the point of bankruptcy proceedings.
Whether they did this, or blew it all on pizza, who knows.
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Yeah, lets make another club! Why not call it "The REAL Amigans Club"!
But a dollar?! Nah, since this would be an Elite Club for the chosen
ones, why not make it ten times the previous club membership? Let's
say $500, this would separate the true believers from the infidels!
Throw in some T-shirts and the possibility to read corporate news
before everyone else, even before those "regular" Club Amiga members.
Where is that PayPal account number again? Ray?
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@takemehomegrandma,
That would also suggest a $5 Thousand Club in the near future ; }
@DonnyEMU,
Really, why would any person send money to an unproven company with no displayed interest in the community in spite of lip service saying otherwise, that thinks their unproven CEO is worth the kind of wages the questions revealed? I felt these guys were hanging on for some kind of stock options or something rather scurilous given what has gone on (and what has NOT gone on), but when I saw those figures for the Big Three I was sickened.
Send it to AROS, or send it to Genesi for the T-shirts that have been given away. Or if you simply must give it away to someone who just doesn't GaF, there are always tentshow preachers or televangelists ... which brings us back around to the 500 Club and the 5000 Club ; }
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How about.... no? What on earth would I want to do that for? They've done nothing toward OS4 or the AmigaONE as far as I can see, and those are the products i'm basing my Amiga computing future on.
If you really want to donate, send it to Hyperion ;-)
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Exactly, pizzas are one thing but I would never
send A-Inc free money...:P
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I sent them 50 already but I still haven't got my T-shirt...
Is it usually the done thing to help out companies in need when otherwise they lie all the time?
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Donate money to crooks? does the name Amiga mean that much to you? it must do to even suggest sending money to low life scum who are involved in fraud, deception, corruption, and god knows what other underhanded scams/schemes and other illegal activities those criminals are up to.
Give Hunt, AROS clan etc etc some cash if you want to do somthing serious or burn the money.
So the world may know!
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Let them fold, let Hyperion (who have really been the ones supporting the Amiga) get the rights to the name Amiga.
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Khephren wrote:
Let them fold, let Hyperion (who have really been the ones supporting the Amiga) get the rights to the name Amiga.
Heck, If I had a cool couple million laying around, I'd buy the trademark and OS, and dump it violently into the public domain.
(Then I'd hire a reeealy good divorce lawyer and bodyuard, because although I've been known to blow alot on hobbies, THAT one would blow her mind :-P )
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What??
Is it a charity?
The only thing it would be paying for are more lawyers! :lol:
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Instead of wild guesses, what about asking Fleecy about the status of the money they received from the club members?
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Heck, If I had a cool couple million laying around, I'd buy the trademark and OS, and dump it violently into the public domain.
That's the exact same thing I would do as well. :-D
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Yes, let's all pay them to create something we then must pay for. That makes sense :-o
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@DonnyEMU
I sent my $50 contribution over a year ago. :oops:
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@Darth_X
Same here.
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by Tigger on 2003/9/9 2:18:14
send the money to AROS
Donations are always greatfully accepted at TeamAROS (http://www.thenostromo.com/teamaros/) if you have a spare Fiver or so. ;)
Dammy
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I was stupid enough to send Amiga, Inc. my $50 for that "coupon". Still haven't gotten squat back for it either, like everyone else.
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at least you have acces to the cam :-P
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Whatever your feelings about Amiga Inc. Have you considered the fact that they might actually be doing their best, in a difficult situation? Afterall they did find developers for AmigaOne and OS4, right? I think they should have a chance to clear their situation up and that we should be supportive about it. Not kick them in the head when they're already on the ground.
I do not claim to know what they're really up to but I think its unfair to judge them before knowing the real unmodified truth. Or am I wrong here?
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@SilvrDrgn
I feel your pain. They have $50 of mine too, with nothing to show for it.
@mepmepmep
When I get a t-shirt and a coupon, or my money back, then I *may* cut them some slack. Even then, it's a "maybe" because they have had my $50 for a year now.... And, yes, you are wrong here. They are perfectly open to community judgement, Amiga Inc took people's money in a very "fly by night scam" way. It is not unfair to be judgemental when you have been obviously wronged.
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@mepmepmep
Cut them slack for causing their own problems? Doing their best they might be, but that is no excuse in the end. It is just the cause, namely that their best was not good enough.
They are with the myriad of companies that fail year after year. But at least they admitted when they were beyond saving. If Amiga, too, were to admit it, then my respect for them would rise a little, and would consider offering to help. But I, personally, have tried to help them through business proposals and licensing attempts, and it went nowhere. What is to make me think that they would accept my help now?
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Been there.... Done that... Got the T... err... no I won't go there...
Sorry, but I seriously doubt that people will do that again...
Anyone want a lifetime CAM membership ID?
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I do it, except my pledge will be $10--seriously.
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Why am I under the impression that I'm never going to see the colour of my coupon?
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What if Everyone Sent Amiga, Inc. a $1 ????
Then they'd get less than they did for the coupons, and what happened to those? Better to send the money to Hyperion and speed up OS4.
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Send it to DiscreetFX, as a donation to the AmiZilla project!!!!!
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Anyone reasonable knows that Amiga, Inc. is on the way out.
What I want to do, is hold all the journalists who assured us that Amiga, Inc. did have funding and that they had insider knowledge that things were turning around, will be held accountable as liars.
I don't even have to hint at who they are, we know who they are.
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Frankly I'm disturbed that anyone still has any belief in AInc. I had no idea that people still exist who think that they can help AInc by giving them handouts.
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Can everyone send me a dollar instead? I promise I'll put it to good use, and I'm quite a nice guy really!
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I'm even more nicer! And I promise, if I receive 1.000.000$ from donations, I will feel myself real good! You care about me, don't you? :-)
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Sorry to re-post my silly idea, but if Amiga Inc. is really in that bad a shape, let's all pool the $50 we ponied up for the CAM and buy teh company outright. We can make AmigaOrg moderators teh new board members and all have input as shareholders! Plus, I KNOW amiga.org's got tee-shirts already printed!
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What you didn't try to win the Pepsi Billion?
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Speaking of which, I wonder when it will be out. They have alway been dated the 1st except for August which was on the 9th. Guess we'll have to wait til tomorrow to see it September will be even later.
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"What if Everyone Sent Amiga, Inc. a $1 ????"
Then they'd have either 6 billion or fifty dollars... ;-)
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35000 x 1$ = 35000$
Not enough!
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@Sahd
I would have, actually, put $50 per share in as an investor, providing it is voting stock rather than as some kind of coupon scam. If someone were to organize such an effort nowadays, I could provide them a business plan. *blows the dust off of the one he'd originally suggested to Amino* They'd need it.
First suggestion, tho: FIRE EVERYONE.
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Where in the world do you get 35,000 people?
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Just do yourself a favor and ask yourself if you would support a company that had knowingly and willingly not filed taxes for two years even when it legally was required to do so? They aren't a not-for-profit organization or a charity, they are a business that did not succeed due to decisions management consciously made, so it should not be up to the community to bail them out when they got themselves in this situation.
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Where in the world do you get 35,000 people?
I'd start in a crowded place. Post offices on a Monday morning perhaps.
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Where in the world do you get 35,000 people?
Dunno. My formula just assumed every Amiga user is willing to pay 1$ :)
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Dunno. My formula just assumed every Amiga user is willing to pay 1$ :)
Ok, but that brings me back to my original question:
Where in the world do you get 35,000 people?
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@Wayne
What do you do?
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Floid wrote:
It's fun to think of it this way. However, if they *did* do the right thing, as was claimed, and put the money into escrow, it wouldn't be in 'the bank;' it'd be held by an attorney or other unaffiliated agent in a separate account that, rightly, *couldn't* be touched even if the company foundered, at least until it got to the point of bankruptcy proceedings.
I'd love to find a quote where they said the money was going to escrow, I have never seen one, and I dont really think one exists. In addition, as part of either Bolten or Matts case, Amiga Inc said they had no money, in any account etc. If they have money in escrow, they should do the right thing and return it now.
-Bill
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I was being serious.. For the good of the Amiga and just saying to others we know that the company still exists we should all write checks or money orders for $1 and send it to them..
Superpages.COM lists this as their address and phone number (funny it's not on their own website anywhere, and believe me I spidered it)
Amiga
34935 Southeast Douglas Street, Snoqualmie, WA 98065
(425) 396-5660
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Amiga, Inc is just a company. That is all it is. It is not the Amiga itself, nor even the Amiga community. It is a business. We have suffered through bankrupcy and bad owners before. The community will be here long after people are going "Fleecy who?"
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Well, I am being serious. Sending any amount of money to Amiga Inc is a waste of money, time, and heartache. In the southland, we have a name for this sort of company, "Fly By Nights." Leave 'em alone, and forget about Amino Inc.
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@DonnyEMU
Why? the guys are criminals which for some reason makes the Amiga Inc fans praise and appreciate them even more.
No wonder they do what they do when people clearly do not give a sh!t about being screwed and go back for more time and time again.
Donate money to cancer research or something and even wipe your ass on $1, anything is better than giving it to the filth at Amiga Inc.
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Wasn't that address closed down allmost year ago when they failed to
pay their rents?
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@DonnyEMU
They were paying themselves hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, I don't make that much. They should give ME a dollar;-)
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Marky_D_Sahd wrote:
Sorry to re-post my silly idea, but if Amiga Inc. is really in that bad a shape, let's all pool the $50 we ponied up for the CAM and buy teh company outright. We can make AmigaOrg moderators teh new board members and all have input as shareholders! Plus, I KNOW amiga.org's got tee-shirts already printed!
Actually you make a good point, they could sell it to Amiga users you could have thousands of Amiga users owning shares in the company.
A much better idea than sending a big greedy US corporation money for somthing you don't recieve.
Or from their point of view, another idea is to offer $50 vapour-shirts, and a whole bunch of suckers will buy, this is much better than getting $1 for nothing. ;-)
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downix,
Quote:
Amiga, Inc is just a company...
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You have a point there! The first AMiGA magazine I brought, AMiGA
Shopper, the cover story was Commodore, Bankrupt! It did not stop me
buying a AMiGA, I am still using AMiGA now, after how many companys
have gone bust?
AMiGA, the computer that, no matter how hard people try, will NEVER
die as long as we are here!
:-)
Why doesn't Bill Gates help A Inc out? I'm not joking! Microsoft
could benifit by employing A Inc to work on DE/Anywhere for them, and
help Hyperion with some funding to get OS4 out the door.
Microsoft needs competition. Competition is good for US! It would be
good PR for Bill Gates, he needs all he can get :-) Would Microsoft
miss $4 000 000? They gave Apple $150 000 000 and look at where Apple
is now!
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they could sell it to Amiga users you could have thousands of Amiga users owning shares in the company.
Anybody ever see that Weird Al movie, UHF?
In order to keep his and his friends television station from being bought out by an evil competitor, that wants to turn it in to a parking lot, they sell shares of stock for $10 a piece to the community so every one owns part of the station.
Great movie. The guy who played Kramer on Seinfeld is in it and he is a hoot and holler!
So should we call out an S.O.S. ??? Save Our Software?
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sorry i can't, still trying to build my money back up from the saint louis show in 1991. dog gone! i wish that os4 would hurry up, gotta have it. :-o
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LOL this is such a great topic, it's got everyone commenting :-)
On the flow of Microsoft giving out cash to Amiga, Inc. What a great Idea! They Settled with what is left of Be, Inc. for $23 Million. This suit alleged that Microsoft had used anti-competitive tactics to keep the BeOS from being included with PC type machines. Of course this is a settlement.. and Microsoft did this out of the goodness in their heart not to go to court about it, and certainly they did not admit to any wrong doing or admit that there was any validity to Be Inc's claims..
So what happens the next time another "OS" pops up? The settlement is great for Be stockholders but what about people who want competitive OSes out there (besides Apple which Microsoft seems to give money to so it can survive too). We all know that's a real competitor for them right??
Maybe we should send whoever's next a $1..
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Maybe we should send whoever's next a $1..
I'm really looking forward to whoever's next. I just wish so many of them didn't try to be either just like UNIX, MacOS 68K, or "Interface Enhanced with Macromedia Shockwave".
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Wouldn't it be better if we all donated $1 to companies like Hyperion and Clickboom?????????????????????????
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Plenty of people still into the ol' Mercy Sex mindset, I guess ; } ...That's where someone really scurrilous gets laid somehow because someone who feels pity for them because they are otherwise NOT gonna Get Any - EVER AGAIN!
But Normal Rules of Species Survival are occasionally bypassed to allow those with exceptionally bad breath and unattractive conditions such as deflating boingitis bulge, and recalcitrant behavior keep those traits around. Later those tribes with the most predisposition to Mercy Sex are gonners, supposedly.
But we know differently: dysfunctional communites have a will to survive and remain dysfunctional, just as healthy ones wish to prevail in health.
Anway, what's wrong with sending them used toothbrushes, real strong mouthwash, some condoms, and some ethical business how-to books from the used bookstore ... oh, wait! - the Image-o-Matic indicates that they already HAD business quick-studies ... Must have been the wrong ones though. Did Machiavelli ever live in this time, he could have written power-suspenders-and-ties bestsellers!
But I digress ; }
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Plenty of people still into the ol' Mercy Sex mindset, I guess ; } ...That's where someone really scurrilous gets laid somehow because someone who feels pity for them because they are otherwise NOT gonna Get Any - EVER AGAIN!
MERCY SEX!!!? What? Where? Where do get mercy sex? Why hasn't anybody told me this before???
Maaaan....With a bit of begging I could of ....
;-)
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iamaboringperson,
I learned of Mercy Sex during some early days of ah, er, "research" into the properties of alcohol. I was spending lots of time in the lab when Mercy Sex was, ah, er, demonstrated for its dubious benefit.
I later was fortunate to leave that line of investigation and find honest labors. But one thing stuck with me: if you are begging for it you probably don't qualify for the real item ; } ...it's always better if the guys get together and purchase it as a kind of consolation sir-prize for this erpson, or the ladies confer privately before choosing a Vessel of Angelic Mercy and Pity (VAMP).
Now, where was I? - oh, yes - designing a poster for the "Get This CEO an Honest Job" club, to be used as the cover for its first newsletter. I'm thinking a hobo with a five-day growth while errantly holding out a hat for spare change would fit the Bill...
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:lol:
(erpson?)
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@greenboy
Has anyone told you that you are disturbed? :lol: I think I've now been permantly damaged...
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iamaboringperson,
My apologies. I have edited the original message to properly type your name, and have moved the offending verbiage into its proper position to better reflect its syntactical orgins.
But seriously: I believe people would better spend their money by supporting an effort that opposes Global Worming.
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greenboy wrote:
Now, where was I? - oh, yes - designing a poster for the "Get This CEO an Honest Job" club, to be used as the cover for its first newsletter. I'm thinking a hobo with a five-day growth while errantly holding out a hat for spare change would fit the Bill...
Aaah, memories from old threads... ;)
(http://www.zortal.gr/gallery/gallery/humour/people/beggar.jpg)
(Yes, I'd rather give this man $50 than give $1 to ainc. The money would be much better spent.)
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William W McEwen
17838 161st Ave Se
Renton, WA 98058-9138
(425)255-4527
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@Seehund
:lol:
(Yes, I'd rather give this man $50 than give $1 to ainc. The money would be much better spent.)
He might just spend it on the coupon(in order to get the T-Shirt!!) ;-)
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Old address
Current address
Bill McEwen
24403 256th Ave S.E.
Ravensdale, WA
Bill seems to be located in a section that has 2 mailing (city) addresses.
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Actually you make a good point, they could sell it to Amiga users you could have thousands of Amiga users owning shares in the company.
Question is: who owns Amiga Inc? Who is in the position of selling it? Is he/they willing to sell it?
Thinking about it, it'd worth me $50 being a shareholder of Amiga Inc. Honest.
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Then everyone would have wates a Dollar.
A better idea woudl be for the whole Amiga Community to forma company, buy the Amiga Trade mark Rights and then we can decide (Vote?) what's "Amiga" and what's not "Amiga".
just my $1 worth ;-)
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I was thinking similar to what Bloodline said, everybody form a single user owned company, buy the rights (and maybe the code to OS 4) and release it into the public domain. Then everybody could do their own thing with it and it would all be Amiga just like Linux is Linux regardless of the distro.
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JetFireDX: Well.. Perhaps... For that I might give 5 or 10$ if I'd
found someone making it happen (someone trustworthy)..
But for now on I'll rather support still remaining and active Software
makers. This time ain't good to them, and without them there ain't
much to do with these things.
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It seems that any company that deals with M$ or PC's but is different than winblows "Dies An Early Death"
Since AmigaInc had no real intentions in the begining to modernize the Amiga, bring it back to life or anything else AND makes deals with M$?!?!
Maybe letting it die and the mantle going to someone else would be the better end to this situation. ;-)
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@bloodline
The PDC tried that once, a user-based organization. But they tried to do it without any cash investment. If you'd like, I can point you to the necessary incorporation information if you are to try such an endeavour. I would recommend a non-profit corporation, for example.
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Amiga, themselves would never ask for it so that's why I think it's such a cool idea..
AmigaINC did actually ask for it :\ They made over a thousand of people pay them 50$ for a membership and tshirt they never recieved.
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I was being serious.. For the good of the Amiga and just saying to others we know that the company still exists we should all write checks or money orders for $1 and send it to them..
It is way too late, and 1$ is not very much... They have millions in dept, and are currently in trial with genesi, no way they are going to survive.. Anyway.. the only people keeping the amiga alive this days are hyperion, if you want to help the amiga platform then donate to them.
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Tomas wrote:
They made over a thousand of people pay them 50$ for a membership and tshirt they never recieved.
"Made," thomas? Surely if someone told you to jump off the Brooklyn Bridge in NY State, you wouldn't jump would you?
No one "made" anyone buy anything. Amiga offered something that people were interested in. There are many today that don't care about the free t-shirt and are happy they are getting CAM. This does not mean Amiga isn't planning to deliver what was promised.
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All My Computing Needs are PoWeReD By
AMIGA 3000T 060@66mhz RAM: *128*Mb/CyberVision64: *4*Mb/*11*Gb SCSI
HDDs CD ROM/Scanjet 5p/ZIP *100*/Canon BJC3000/Casio QV100 camera/
Motorola 56k MF3/Toccata
Operating system AMiGA Workbench 3.5.2
Manufactured November 1990
Miles, I *WANT* your miggy. :-o
Anyways, back on topic...
Donny, are you out of your freaking mind???!???
Why on earth would I send a buck to a crap ass company that's all 'anti-piracy' blah blah that would F*ck the only people that give a sh!t about them??
Get a clue, bub. Every person that sent 50$ to Amiga Inc for that damned coupon got screwed in the worst possible way. They got ripped off on something they believed in.
Maybe you haven't been paying attention to what's been going on in the past few years, but AI hasn't been keeping Amiga alive.
AI boasted about a new Mobo in the beginning. That mobo was the Pegasos. AI and Thendic come alonf and have a falling out. No more Pegasos.
Eyetech help design a NEW board. One that doesn't have all the bells and whistles as the original, but no one really complains, 'cos Amiga said 'it's okay.' Does Eyetech get anything out of it? No. As a matter of fact, they had to design a PROTOTYPE before AI even took it into consideration.
New board is a go and is manufactured, in VERY small increments, funded solely by the people at Eyetech. At this point in time, it is assumed that AI was doing the coding, 'cos this was before TAO said in an interview that Intent was 'never designed to be a desktop platform.' These boards were sent with soldered cpu's, 'cos it was to expensive at the time to add a seat for expansion cpus. The new board starts as a massive flop.
Within a year, Eyetech offers NEW design boards. These are nicer than the ones before, but to recoup their OWN monetary loss, the boards are ridiculously expensive. At this point, not one cent has been sent from AI. All of their money is tied up in the 'Digital Environment'.
AI then says in an 'exectutive update' that Amiga's OS 4.0 including and upto all revisions to 5.0 will be coded by Hyperion. Why? Cos Hyperion has offered more to the amiga in the past years, with all of it's game ports, than any other company still writing software. It was outsourced once it became apparent that the 'DE' was DEad. To this day, I believe that Hyperion has STILL never received any compensation from AI. If they did, why on earth would Hyperion have to find OTHER ventures to make capital and have to take credit loans out to stay afloat just to keep OS4.0?
Eyetech (and to their credit, BPlan) created the Amiga One, not Amiga Inc.
Hyperion is coding OS4, not Amiga Inc.
There are over 180 video cards to be implemented in OS4.0. Hyperion did this, not Amiga Inc.
The only thing that Amiga Inc has done for this community is rip off people like Silver Dragon, Targhan and so many others.
Don't EVEN get me started on how Petro got screwed by AI. :-x
The only thing I would ever want to give Amiga Inc is a scortching case of herpes and since I have no access to that, they're SOL.
:-D
If you want to donate a buck, give to AROS. Thendic is a company. They 'have' money. AROS is coded by people who believed in the Amiga and want it to continue. They deserve your money. Hyperion does. Eyetech does.
The only thing the people at Amiga Inc deserve is a long prison sentence, 'cos last I checked, AI is a US company and 65,000$ taken from consumers with nothing to show for, but empty promises and lies, is known only as GRAND THEFT stateside.
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Right on Methuselas! :-D
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@Methuselas
Amen. If you guys are going to *give* money away, give it to AROS or the Amizilla project. Don't *give* it to corporations like Amiga or Genesi. You like us, you want to support us, buy our products.
*WARNING, SHAMELESS PLUG*
The Pegasos 2 is coming out soon, like Genesi, buy one, simple as that.
*YOU MAY NOW RETURN TO YOUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED FORUM*
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Hey Down, I gotta know. I've seen pics, but what's the Peg REALLY like??? With the massive price drops, it's beginning to seem too good to pass up. The icons kill me, though. They look SO ugly. =^(
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@Methuselas
Sweet as a dream. I've shelved my Athlon and my real Amiga for it. I need more RAM for it tho. I'm already saving for the Peg 2 tho, have more spare DDR-RAM now that the Athlon's out of the loop.
As for the icons, you know you can use your old AmigaOS icons, right?
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o.O
Don't tease....seriously. Don't tease. That's my biggest gripe with it and AROS. The ugly icons.
How's it run the old software?? Fusion?? AmigaWriter?
Don't get me wrong, I love my Amithlon box, but I want REAL PPC. The screenshots on the MorphOS website don't do it justice to me and Miggy users here seem few and far between. We're all poor as bastards with A500''s, 2000's and the occasional 3000 :-)
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I've never run Fusion, but ImageFX runs fine for me, as does YAM, Voyager, IBrowse, Aladdin4D and FinalWriter. I've also seen people running Lightwave, TV Paint, Directory Opus...
And seriously, you can run it with the old Amiga icons from any version, even the glowicons.
My HD is the same HD from my old 1200. I didn't even format it, just installed MOS over AOS and it runs fantastic, runs almost all of my old apps perfectly. (Tornado3D doesn't work due to the dongle, but that was about it from my software) If you run Amithlon, you can copy anything you need from that, like the TCP stack. (I'm running my old MiamiDX from my 1200, for example, while one of my co-workers runs Genesis from 3.9) From my perspective, there is no difference between MorphOS and AmigaOS other than all of the headaches AmigaOS always gave me are now gone. MorphOS feels like all of the potential from my A1000 is now being realized.
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You know, I think Downix sugar coated things a little bit. Some old AOS headaches are gone, yes. All of them? No. The headaches that are there are being worked on. The version bump from 1.3 to 1.4 was nothing short of amazing. (I think I said the same thing on MorphZone a while back)
Anyway, sometimes, a screenshot is worth more than a thousand words. I will upload to Amiga.org a screengrab of my own personal Ambient (think Workbench) grab. Just give me a few minutes, a really great show is on the T.V. about ancient Alexandria.... :-)
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As promised, screenshots:
One (http://amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=431)
Two (http://amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=430)
Have fun :-)
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Now Methuselas :-) this is the absolutely best topic I could ever have imagined and has generated more responses than I could ever dream for, fun ones too!
You don't think in this world economically depressed climate I'd actually be sending them $1 or suggesting anyone else ever do so?? I reallly say this in jest, mostly to get people to respond about what the really feel (which you have done most eloquently).
I am actually stirring the "pot" so to speak cause I want to hear people's reaction to the idea of them "give to A Inc. as a Charity". Or if they think they should keep it alive...
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@DonnyEMU
You should have done this thread on Amigaworld or any other site what has members of the Amiga Inc appreciation society there, now that would have been a good laugh.
So the world may know.
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@Methuselas
The timeline sketched is overally good, but a bit inaccurate.
Where is the switch from the Eyetech/Escena designs to MAI Teron? Where is Haage und Partner? (Till 2001 november they were those who "developed" AmigaOS4 AFAIR.) In general I agree with you though.
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Warface. Can't be 100% sure but..
Escena design was widthdrawn by Eyetech Early 2001 (well before on
Shehedule&rocking) cause they knew that AmigaInc had no chance on
getting OS4 made on themselves. Unfortunately Eyetech forgot to
mention this in public, instead they allowed Ainc to keep on selling
Partypacks with "OS4+Aone1200 to be released Soon".
I do assume Mai board become valid by the same time as Hyeprion
took over of OS4 (late 2001).
Beoynd those 2 .. timeline seems to be ok
(I may be mistaken. please correct if so)
(edit. at least one spellingmistake corrected :)
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@downix and Targhan
Thanks for the tidbits about some of the software that works ok on MorphOS.
Nice screenshots, Targhan.
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@redfox
Thanks :-)
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Just a little note: Fusion and PCx doesn't seem to work on MOS at the moment. Also DrawStudio 2 is being a pain too. :(
I do use (Amiga 68K or PPC's binaries of): PageStream v4 (takes a bit to twiddling to get to work but it works now), AmigaWritter, Art Effect 3, ImageFX v4, Delitracker (with the 14bit AHI-enabled noteplayer), IBrowse 2.3, AmigaAmp, Miami v3, Cinema4D
Games-wise I've got: Alien Breed 3D II (using RTG patch + AHI), FreeSpace (my first Hyperion game), Simon the Sorcerer II, Myst, ...
Using MOS-PPC versions of: Yam, Voyager, Quake, Mame, Bochs (PC Emulator), ScummVM, CrossfireII, FroggerNG, CED, UAE
Note: DPaint V works (it supports RTG, but I think the Animation is crippled in RTG modes)
Here's a picture of my old MOS 1.3 Ambient playing a DivX file on FroggerNG. link (http://www.501st.ca/officail/desktop.jpg) . I've made a few tweaks since the 1.4 upgrade. :-P
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That looks nice sdesros! :-o Makes me think about getting a peg....but I still think AROS is the way to go. Can't afford to buy new hardware.
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Thx Targhan!!! :-P Man, those screens look SO trick. Don't get me wrong, I'm all about OS4.0, but having a Morph box might be a better deal for me than my Amithlon box. If Bernie ever gets to re-release it in his vision, I'll probably buy it again, provided H&P isn't involved.
@Warface
I was pretty sure my timeline was a bit off, but I don't keep records of all the lies AI has spread through the years. All I was trying to say was that I may have stayed hidden in the background, but I was paying attention..
I will give McEwen credit on one thing, though. Soft Hut sent me an A1200 (The last Amiga I bought 3 years ago, in support of AI (rolling eyes)) with defective WB disks. I sent emails and called, but never heard anything. One email to McEwen got me my WB disks airmailed within a few days and a *NASTY* letter from Software Hut with the title header 'Why did you have to bring Amiga Inc in this.' It had been over a month since I had gotten the damned thing and still didn't have WB disks.
Ironically, that stock 1200 was used maybe a dozen times and sits, in it's original box, in my closet. =^\ I was planning to get a blizzard for it, but never did and with OS4.0 possibly not supporting Blizzard, it will probably end up a gift to a friend who's all about Amiga when I told him that he could play most of the old Apple games he had on his IIe, but with better sound, graphics, etc. He still can't figure out how Amiga runs a GUI on 2 megs of ram, but his XP box is slower than dirt with 256MBs of ram.
Resistance is futile. We need to assimilate AI before they do more harm than they already have. :-?
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@Jetfire
IS AROS NOT TRICK!!! That's some heavy software there. I can't wait until they get a HDD installable version. :-o
Dude, I'm such a nerd. :-D
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@Methuselas
Um... AROS has been HD installable for awhile. It's not fantastic yet, but it does work.
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@sdesros
Thanks for the info. Nice screenshot.
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I've had problems with it. It might have been the ide.device bug that they had, but I haven't gotten a new ISO in a while, 'cos I've been sucked back into the Bard's Tale. :-D
Speaking of, I hacked the items list, so if anyone wants an adf of the character disk that allows you to purchase EVERY item from the game, let me know.
Heh, it's funny. I'll spend the time to hack the items list, so I can BUY the items, but I'm too lazy to just go and adventure.
Actually, I'm getting a bit burned on BT. I might venture back to the Killing Grounds.
Oh, has anyone gotten Duke3D to run on the Peggy? It won't run on my Amithlon box, 'cos it's got no FPU. :cry: I'm in some dire need of the old Dukester himself.
'This is K - T - I - T. K.T.I.T. Playing the breast, uh best tunes in town.' :-P
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@Methuselas
I seem to recall a port of it to MorphOS on morphzone awhile back.
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I'd try it out but I need to track down a copy of Duke Nuke'm Forever first. :-(
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I'd try it out but I need to track down a copy of Duke Nuke'm Forever first.
Dude, you have a better chance of finding OS4.0 than you do Duke Nukem Forever. I don't even think 3DRealms is afloat anymore.
Duke Nukem. Now that's a SUPERHERO!!!
'Shake it baby!' :-D
Hey, what's everyone's favorite line from Duke Nukem? With me, it's either:
'Those alien bastards are gonna pay for shooting up my ride.'
or
'Eat #### and die!'
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D'oh... Freudian slip.
I mean Duke Nuke'm Atomic Edition. :-D
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Oh, well I have a copy of Atomic. (I paid for it. ;^) ) It's next to impossible to find anywhere anymore. I can send you a copy of it with the amiga exe on it.
Oh and I stand corrected, 3DRealms is still around. Apparently, they're still using the slogan 'when it's done.' Just by that, I'm sure there will be an Amiga port....
when it's done.
LOL
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Oh, has anyone gotten Duke3D to run on the Peggy?
It works like a charm here. However, I'm rather spending my days with Sam and Max... :-)
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Okay, I'm locking this topic as it's gone way Off-Topic and nothing good can come of even an on topic discussion.