Amithlon question

[motorollin]

If you look on the Amiga Forever web site, I think it says that installing to hard drive is not yet supported. Is the live CD version of Amiga Forever as fast as Amithlon?

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moto

[rdolores]

I just did some tests comparing Amithlon and WinUAE 1.3 on the same machine. I used two benchmarks: SysInfo and DSPSPEED.

MachineA: PIII-1000, 384 MB RAM
[color=ffff00]..........[/color]|-------SysInfo----------|  |-DSPSPEED-|
[color=ffff00]............[/color]MIPS[color=ffff00]..[/color]MFLOPS[color=ffff00].[/color] Dhrystones[color=ffff00]..[/color]PSA_I  PSA_F
Amithlon[color=ffff00]..[/color]707.62[color=ffff00]..[/color]287.60      [color=ffff00].....[/color]677907[color=ffff00]...[/color]1520   [color=ffff00]..[/color]990
WinUAE[color=ffff00]....[/color]370.33[color=ffff00]..[/color]144.10[color=ffff00]......[/color]354784[color=ffff00]....[/color]810 [color=ffff00].[/color]1170
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Looking at the numbers, Amithlon is about twice as fast as WinUAE on the same machine. The only exception seems to be in Floating Point calculations as seen in the PSA_F tests.

I came to the conclusion that for most tasks, Amithlon will be faster.  WinUAE 1.3 has newer Floating Point routines which explains its advantage over Amithlon.  Remember WinUAE 1.3 just came out within the last month or so.  Amithlon is almost 5 years old.  The only thing that has really been updated were the drivers.

I use both WinUAE and Amithlon. Subjectively, Amithlon is much faster. In fact, it is a more responsive OS than the Windows XP machine I have in the office which is a P4-3000 with Hyperthreading and 2 GB RAM. Even though I have optimized it (keeping it clean of spyware and removing unnecessary background tasks), it still has unexplained pauses, and sluggishness for no apparent reasons. My Amithlon (which is on a much slower PIII-1000), is much snappier: Windows and Icons appear immediately, I never experience any sluggishness. My word processors (AmigaWriter and ProWrite) are faster. Even my web browser (AWeb) is more responsive than either FireFox or IE.

I use WinUAE for its compatibility with the Amiga Custom Chipset.  It is amazing how accurate its Paula emulation is. I use Deluxe Music with both MIDI and internal sounds. The internal sounds sound almost exactly the way they do on a real Amiga.

But for software that uses AHI audio and P96 graphics. Amithlon is better.

I'm sure if Amithlon had continued development, its Floating Point routines would have improved a lot too.

But who says you have to choose between one and another. I have both on the same machine. It's a dual-boot Windows XP and Amithlon computer. And in Windows, I have WinUAE.

[Wayne]

rdolores,

amithlon twice faster than winuae?

don't be stupid


here are your stupid errors:

1:benchmarks are inacurate old a not designed for emulators

do something serious like I did crunching a wave file to
mp3 using Lame
check like I did upstairs and check my results

2:Have you disabled sound on winuae before make a test?

I think you forgot that because you are a newbie

you must disable sound on winuae cause winuae is wasting cpu time on paula emulation
REMEMBER THAT AMITHLON HAVEN'T PAULA EMULATION
if you don't disable the sound on winuae  amithlon start the competition with advantage

3:like I told upstair there are faster versions of winuae
and you have tested the slowest winuae 1.3
make a new test using 0.827


bye little boy

[pixie]

1:benchmarks are inacurate old a not designed for emulators
do something serious like I did crunching a wave file to
mp3 using Lame

Look at:

I'm sure if Amithlon had continued development, its Floating Point routines would have improved a lot too.

Benchmark is also lot more then doing some Lame tests though as you would probably guessed it, most amiga programs doesn't deal with fpu, and those who use it don't contribute a bit to the overall responsivness of the machine..

and you have tested the slowest winuae 1.3

correction, he has tested the last winuae, which probably is what most people use, the last version of a given software... so you still is claiming that, despite having an all Windows(*) to deal with, WinUAE is better then a dedicated kernel for Amithlon...

We must be smoking pot a lot these days...
:roll:

REMEMBER THAT AMITHLON HAVEN'T PAULA EMULATION

You must have slipped this:

But for software that uses AHI audio and P96 graphics. Amithlon is better.

And please, in the future don't make an ass out of yourself when you can't dweal into arguments you cannot handle...

[Homer]

Laser:
"don't be stupid, here are your stupid errors:,bye little boy ".

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[Wayne]

pixie,

you are a novel like rdolores
and some times I use that bad words cause novel ppl make confusion,write idiots things and spread lies

btw,Im trying to solve the speed problem of new winuae versions with Toni willen the author of winuae

check what says Toni about my speed tests:



btw, thanks for testing with something that makes sense instead of just running some obsolete speed test program  Can you do the same test with 0.9.x and older 1.2 versions?




check here and see:

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=24555

or go to www.winuae.net and click on List of currently known bugs




bye little pixie

[Frags]

Amithlon IS loads faster than WinUAE and will remain so wether you believe it or not - your Amithlon installation is broken.
Make sure you`re using a supported graphics-card and not one that only works in vesa mode.  Make sure that Amithlon supports ide dma on your motherboard.  Install all the patches and the x86 memcopy routines.  
Don`t claim the sky is green unless you have proof that isn`t just down to {bleep}-error.  

[pixie]

you are a novel like rdolores
and some times I use that bad words cause novel ppl make confusion,write idiots things and spread lies

Lol, you wouldn't understand truth, even if it hitted you hard...

[TNovosel]

Amithlon is much faster than WinUAE (any version).
I try many programs on both, and Amithlon win in every point.
WinUAE is nice with cutom chipset support, but Amithlon is much faster.

[Blinx123]

@Laser

WinUAE is for sure not faster than Amithlon. And all those benchmarking is {bleep} under WinUAE because the speed of WinUAE emulation is very randomized. For example: I started WINUAE 3 weeks ago, checked Scout and it said "CPU: 67MHZ, FPU 754MHZ" only some hours later the program said "CPU: 25MHZ, FPU: 200MHZ" so it´s mainly random or from another point of view very scalable.

[mihcael]

Anyone got a comparison between Winuae and E-uae under Aros??

Would give an idea of the sort of overhaeds that Windows has?

[cecilia]

Homer wrote:
Laser:
"don't be stupid, here are your stupid errors:,bye little boy ".

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this could be a language issue.

[pixie]

this could be a language issue.

He got an issue alright, but I don't think it got anything to do with language at all, rather with his tone and his attitude toward others.

[mihcael]

my www with some links to amithlon and aros!
x86 Amiga

will add all the links in this thread and others that i can find!

[Effy]

Forgive me my lack of knowledge, but why didn't they make a Cybergraphics driver for Amithlon Several programs that use gfx card depend on Cybergraphics and not Picasso96 ...  :-?

[Kronos]

Effy wrote:
Forgive me my lack of knowledge,

No chance !

but why didn't they make a Cybergraphics driver for Amithlon

Dunno, maybe cos Bernie had (better) contact withe the P96-team, or maybe code from the UAEGfx-driver could been reused ?

Several programs that use gfx card depend on Cybergraphics and not Picasso96 ...  :-?

Care to name a few ?