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Operating System Specific Discussions => Other Operating Systems => Topic started by: persia on January 15, 2010, 03:23:51 PM
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On 27/01/10 Apple is going to release the iSlate, a tablet Mac. Microsoft introduced tablet PCs years ago and have gone absolutely nowhere with the technology. Apple is about to kick MS arse with their own technology. Watch how it's done, folks.
Hyperion or A-Eon or whatever is the name of the week need to watch and learn. You don't introduce a product and tell people "you figure out what to do with it...." you don't introduce a produce with no price and tell people wait six months to actually have it. And you don't introduce features that 99.99999% of the world have absolutely no use for and yet cost lots of money.
I'll order one on the 27th, I'll know what they cost and I'll be playing with it before summer (in the southern hemisphere) is over...
(http://gadgetmix.com/index/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/apple-islate.jpg)
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Blah. Not a game changer. I bet you could sit on it at a foot ball game though, toasty!
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I'm curious about the price and the size of this thing?. I think tablets have failed to this point beacuse they don't really fit a need?. An Iphone is a computer that fits in my pocket & its also my phone. A tablet is just a laptop?
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Size:
(http://cruzmiranda.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/apple-macintosh-tablet-2.jpg)
Still, why? Not too much physical difference than netbooks...
Could I hang it on the wall? Home controller ? Digital picture frame ? Kinda like a Kindel too??? Only place I see table computing today in action is with UPS and Fedex at more door. They could use a upgrade...
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Apple has a knack for making niche products usable. Wait and see. (I think Barnes & Noble's new Nook is going to be letter or A4 sized or a bit smaller and support a pen interface. Looking forward to that, too.)
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Fingerprints on a touch screen phone is one thing, but fingerprints on your laptop's screen? Blech.
At least the jolly green giant finally gets his iPhone.
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Right? - is it a phone too?! I think big phat chain adapter and this will be in the next hip hop video...
That's a big ole phone !
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maybe someone could make an 80's boombox skin/interface for it and I could mount it on my dash!!. It could have lots of flashing lights/VU/silly scopes going along with the music?? that would be hot!!
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I could see a use for this in FPS gaming maybe...
...other than that, I'm still psyched about a new Amiga with undiscovered potential, hardware that encourages exploration, creativity, and un-predictability.
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"boombox skin/interface" - HEHEHE That would be cool! They sooo need to pay us for our slammin concepts!
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Seriously though..It seems like a tablet would be pretty awkward to use for regular computing. You have have to hold it with one hand and type with the other. You would have to set it flat on a surface to type with two hands. At least with an iphone you can hold it and one hand and use the inteface with your thumb.
It would be good for people that have "clipboard" based jobs like doctors or package delivery people were you need it just to punch in quick data..
Am I really gonna sit there on my couch and hold this thing and dedicate two hands to it. How amI gonna work the remote? Will it be a remote replacement. People really are that lazy....
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A larger ipod touch with the mac desktop enabled how neat.. How about one of these instead and it's not based on the Windows desktop..
http://gizmodo.com/5365299/courier-first-details-of-microsofts-secret-tablet
(note the date of this "leak")..
Here's some video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D58fxzRV5HY&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5DWWRIxxzU
As far as tablets go, I personally like windows 7's touch screen controls and if you haven't used an HP touchsmart then, I'd say your view is kinda bent, Microsoft has been very successful with Windows 7 and touch especially with WPF applications and Silverlight.
After watching this video if you think Microsoft isn't ahead of the game then I'd be really suprised.. Everything they do here I can do with UI and I develop applications like this in WPF and on the web with Silverlight all the time..
You guys are yet again behind the curve with facts/capabilities.. I own macs as well as PCs.. Unless the slate does all of this, then you guys have a lot to deal with.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CStZZrkc7Ck
I use the iphone everyday (have to due to network coverage issues in my area and while I like all their cool apps and safari, yes it kills windows phones) the fact is Microsoft is ahead with touch. They have been researching and researching.. If you haven't used windows 7 with a touchscreen on either a tablet or WPF applications, then just saying this kinda thing is being "platform religious"..
Here's a 3 year old touch screen app (it requires Windows) from japan, it'a a zoo.. This was done pre-silverlight and is a windows only application that runs in the browser. It requires no installation outside of the browser.. I have yet to see anything like this one my Mac or iPhone..
http://www.asahiyamazoo-aict.jp/asahiyamazoo.xbap
Try it out.. You guys need to get rid of your anti-windows bias and look at what's really going on and happening.. It's not about the OS or the maker it's about making cool apps that run everywhere now..
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Sure, Microsoft may be way ahead of the game in touch interfaces but, Microsoft should know better then anyone that a superior product does not instantly make it successful...
Why have I never seen or used any Microsoft touch products or interfaces?
A larger ipod touch with the mac desktop enabled how neat.. How about one of these instead and it's not based on the Windows desktop..
http://gizmodo.com/5365299/courier-first-details-of-microsofts-secret-tablet
(note the date of this "leak")..
Here's some video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D58fxzRV5HY&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5DWWRIxxzU
As far as tablets go, I personally like windows 7's touch screen controls and if you haven't used an HP touchsmart then, I'd say your view is kinda bent, Microsoft has been very successful with Windows 7 and touch especially with WPF applications and Silverlight.
After watching this video if you think Microsoft isn't ahead of the game then I'd be really suprised.. Everything they do here I can do with UI and I develop applications like this in WPF and on the web with Silverlight all the time..
You guys are yet again behind the curve with facts/capabilities.. I own macs as well as PCs.. Unless the slate does all of this, then you guys have a lot to deal with.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CStZZrkc7Ck
I use the iphone everyday (have to due to network coverage issues in my area and while I like all their cool apps and safari, yes it kills windows phones) the fact is Microsoft is ahead with touch. They have been researching and researching.. If you haven't used windows 7 with a touchscreen on either a tablet or WPF applications, then just saying this kinda thing is being "platform religious"..
Here's a 3 year old touch screen app (it requires Windows) from japan, it'a a zoo.. This was done pre-silverlight and is a windows only application that runs in the browser. It requires no installation outside of the browser.. I have yet to see anything like this one my Mac or iPhone..
http://www.asahiyamazoo-aict.jp/asahiyamazoo.xbap
Try it out.. You guys need to get rid of your anti-windows bias and look at what's really going on and happening.. It's not about the OS or the maker it's about making cool apps that run everywhere now..
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Whoa don't go around tellin people I know the facts or know about stuff... And don't bring that Silverfish crap in here. Can you say "10 years behind FLASH & FLEX"? It will help with your psychosis and break from reality.
"This was done pre-silverlight and is a windows only application that runs in the browser. It requires no installation outside of the browser."
LOL let mee guess - IE .
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Needs balls. A trackball is a lot easier to use than a touchpad or touch interface.
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And a floppy drive!
Needs balls. A trackball is a lot easier to use than a touchpad or touch interface.
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Apple are the king of making average technology look really good, so their launch should be interesting.
Ballmer's demo of the Windows based tablets was boring, even though they did look quite good.
Personally, I want a reasonable specd/price (non Atom) tablet, A4 size, thin and light that I can use in meetings to replace the pad and paper. Wireless LAN, Bluetooth, Gigabit ethernet (for when its on the desk), smooth 1080 video playback, USB and eSATA. And it can detect when your arm is over the tablet so that it knows you're using it like paper and writing on it, not using the arm press to activate half-a-dozen icons on the screen :-)
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Apple will never put esata on a tablet. They removed the expresscard slot from all but the 17" MacBook Pro. No esata on any mac.
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I want to see Vice fully functional on it before I get interested.
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Most people use microsoft touch screens and scanners at the grocery store every time they use a uscan or self scan in the rapid check out...
And I don't even have to mention project Natal for the Xbox 360 do I?? Which has been announced as being released by holidays 2010..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay9mpb0TN3g&feature=player_embedded
and check this one out..
Betty Crocker's Kitchen Assistant Touch Screen Recipe's on Windows 7 touch screen ready
http://www.bettycrocker.com/kitchenassistant
http://www.youtube.com/kitchenassistant
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and fyi: The zoo app link I sent is an XBAP it's not designed to work also on the mac and linux like silverlight applications are. It's a purely windows platform application that runs in a browser (either Firefox or IE are supported)..
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On 27/01/10 Apple is going to release the iSlate, a tablet Mac. Microsoft introduced tablet PCs years ago and have gone absolutely nowhere with the technology. Apple is about to kick MS arse with their own technology. Watch how it's done, folks.
(http://gadgetmix.com/index/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/apple-islate.jpg)
It looks like a giant iPhone with a keyboard. YAWN!
I'd rather have this...
http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/lenovo-ideapad-u1-combines-a-snapdragon-tablet-with-an-intel-core-2-duo-laptop-2010015/
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I'm going for this one. Not out yet but very soon. Developer boards already have UAE in full speed running on it, PSX emu and more. And with Firefox and wifi onboard, it is usable as a micro laptop as well.
And they have got 2000 units made in the first production run, most of them are pre-sold already. Not so bad for an enthusiast group that makes this project on their own, with no big company behind them to back them up. Maybe there is something to be learnt from these guys.
(click the thumbnail for a bigger picture, or go to openpandora.org to read more)
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Oh man....I just can't let this one go...
I should have known that Microsoft was behind those touch screens at the grocery store.
That explains why they are the worst UI I have ever had the displeasure of using...
I'm really not 100% anti-Microsoft but coming into a thread and babbling on about Microsoft deserves some comments.
They've been pushing Tablets and touch screens to consumers since 2000 and nobody is buying. Its just a fact!
Its safe to day that 50% of my friends own an iphone, 0% develop with Silverlight, and 0% own a HP touchscreen PC.
Most people use microsoft touch screens and scanners at the grocery store every time they use a uscan or self scan in the rapid check out...
And I don't even have to mention project Natal for the Xbox 360 do I?? Which has been announced as being released by holidays 2010..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay9mpb0TN3g&feature=player_embedded
and check this one out..
Betty Crocker's Kitchen Assistant Touch Screen Recipe's on Windows 7 touch screen ready
http://www.bettycrocker.com/kitchenassistant
http://www.youtube.com/kitchenassistant
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I've never seen an iPhone in person. I just don't know anyone who has one. I do know a BUNCH of people who have Blackberry's.
I'm not into "mobile mania" myself. I carry a Tracfone for emergencies. Send me an email, or leave me a voice mail, and depending on the urgency, I will reply when it's convienant for me. I refuse to be at the world's beckoned call... Dropping what I'm doing to answer the phone seems very old fashioned to me. Dropping the steering wheel of my car to answer the phone is just plain foolish ;-)
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The point is Apple will make a commercial success out of something that's been around for a decade and has been a failure in the commercial marketplace.
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Dudes, the iPOD is the number #1 music player not because it plays mp3's. Its because Apple convinced music companies to sell their music through itunes. You can buy iTunes recharge cards at the supermarket, how more ubiquitous and mainstream than that can you get?
Murdoch the media king has repeatedly said that he wants us to pay for reading content on his news websites. With the iSlate, Apple will do for newspapers, magazines and books what the ipod did for music. People will download the daily newspaper, the weekly/monthly magazine or the latest release book-for a price- and view it with the iSlate, turning the pages with finger gestures.
The keyboard is here for the odd time you may want to type a short message, fill in a form. You wont be typing out your PhD thesis with it. Ofcourse a Windows touchpad, even kindle reader (but not in color, important for magazines) COULD do all of this, but MS doesn't have the iTunes Store.nor the track record of iTunes.
Apple is set to be the number one media distribution company in the world, selling music, movies and print in electronic form. And the iPod touch isn't a bad little games player, so they're moving in on games as well.
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Good call. Yea guys. I hate some of the stunts apple pulls. But you gotta admit they know what they're doing.
Overpriced MP3 palyers, Laptops etc made by the very same factories lower cost product is manufactured a. The are everything Amiga wishes it was.
They have a midas touch whearas Amiga has some crazy biblical level curse. For every step foward you get 50 back.
I hope the slate does well. I hope the A-eon leads to bigger and better things.
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Ok slightly interesting here:
http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/amazon_opens_kindle_for_developers/
I am seeing a 'tablet' smash-up-derby developing - one night only at the civic center! Not since Holy Drunken Moses have more tablets been busted up! Don't Miss It.
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I think if they price this thing down in the netbook price range, they could sell a bunch. I can't see people paying laptop money for it, though.
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Read today it would be around 700 - 1000.00 and possible a monthly charge for the data connection to 3G networks (ATT and/or Verizon).
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On 27/01/10 Apple is going to release the iSlate, a tablet Mac. Microsoft introduced tablet PCs years ago and have gone absolutely nowhere with the technology. Apple is about to kick MS arse with their own technology. Watch how it's done, folks.
Hyperion or A-Eon or whatever is the name of the week need to watch and learn. You don't introduce a product and tell people "you figure out what to do with it...." you don't introduce a produce with no price and tell people wait six months to actually have it. And you don't introduce features that 99.99999% of the world have absolutely no use for and yet cost lots of money.
I'll order one on the 27th, I'll know what they cost and I'll be playing with it before summer (in the southern hemisphere) is over...
(http://gadgetmix.com/index/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/apple-islate.jpg)
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I could list the innumerable lawsuits apple has levied against people who dare to speculate about their products prior to release, but honestly? Why bother? Fact is, this niche product will sell to the latte' drinking set at the Apple fashion boutique computer stores, soccer moms (who will have to replace it in droves due to coffee spills, etc. ad infinitum, which will "boost" sales figures as the units gather dust after 6 mo. of work).
If I - or anyone of concern - wanted a tablet computer running OSX, we could've had one any time in the last four years or so, by buying one of the multiple and less expensive tablet PCs and installing OSX for Intel on it, period.
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I'm looking forward to whatever Apple has up their sleeve. Since switching to a Mac a few years ago I haven't looked back. And the iPhone is one of the most fun devices I've ever used. The only other computer that ever gave me this sense of enjoyment was the Amiga.
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Is it just me or does sound more like an iNewton?
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iFingerprintcollector
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ehhhh
Apple has been good to include cleaning clothes latly with iPod touch, monitors, and iPhones.
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Needs balls. A trackball is a lot easier to use than a touchpad or touch interface.
I'll bet there is a USB port on it for a wireless trackball.
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The point is Apple will make a commercial success out of something that's been around for a decade and has been a failure in the commercial marketplace.
Yes, like the Macintosh. Oh wait, even after 20+ years they only have a fraction of the home computer market that they invented. :roflmao:
I'll be staying away until at least the second generation newer-better-faster version is released. No need to spend good $$$ on anything Apple rev 1.
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Telstra here most likely, with Vodaphone and Optus later. Wonder if you can buy it without a SIM card?
Read today it would be around 700 - 1000.00 and possible a monthly charge for the data connection to 3G networks (ATT and/or Verizon).
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Waiting for the day when I don't have to pay $30-$70 per device for a data connection. Pretty soon, my monthly phone bill will exceed all my other expenditures combined. EDIT: Barnes & Noble has the right idea. Apple should work out an App Store subsidy and profit sharing deal with telcos. Of course, that would totally shaft developers, who are currently free to set whatever price they want.
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Waiting for the day when I don't have to pay $30-$70 per device for a data connection.
That day was yesterday!
http://www.novatelwireless.com
MiFi is an easy one, then there's bluetooth tethering on tons of phones now, and some Windows Mobile phones can act as WiFi routers as well (with free addon software.)
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That's all fine and dandy if all your devices support 802.11 and you keep the master device with you at all times, but what if your devices only support cell networks? The current regime is built on the one-device-per-person meme.
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..if your device only supports cellular networks, it's probably a phone.
I can't think of too many internet-type devices without either bluetooth or wifi.
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Oh man....I just can't let this one go...
I should have known that Microsoft was behind those touch screens at the grocery store.
Unexpected item in bagging area
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..if your device only supports cellular networks, it's probably a phone.
I can't think of too many internet-type devices without either bluetooth or wifi.
You missed the point. In my home, I have one landline and four handsets. I only pay for one landline, and I do not pay a per-handset fee.
I have one broadband connection and too many Ethernet and Wi-Fi devices to list. I only pay for one broadband connection, and I do not pay a per-connection fee.
I have two mobile plans and two mobile phones. I pay for each plan and phone individually. I should only have to pay for one plan. I'll concede an additional charge for additional phone numbers.
I think the same reasoning should apply to cable and satellite television providers as well, but consumers have blindly accepted that per-device fees are OK.
Ironically, the per-device fee is one of the many things that landed AT&T in front of the Department of Justice on antitrust charges in the 70's. "Adequate" competition exists in the mobile space, however, so it's unlikely to change--unless someone puts together conspiracy charges re: handsets, early termination fees, etc., since all providers do pretty much the same thing.
EDIT: And "it's probably a phone" is a bad assumption. There are many 3G data devices on the market that do not function as telephones.
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You missed the point. In my home, I have one landline and four handsets. I only pay for one landline, and I do not pay a per-handset fee.
I have one broadband connection and too many Ethernet and Wi-Fi devices to list. I only pay for one broadband connection, and I do not pay a per-connection fee.
I have two mobile plans and two mobile phones. I pay for each plan and phone individually. I should only have to pay for one plan. I'll concede an additional charge for additional phone numbers.
Slightly different there, as with your one landline and 4 phones, you might have 4 phones but you can only use one line at a time, thereby only using one line's worth of the company's resources. If you have two cell phones, you can use them simultaneously, using twice the company's resources rather than just enough for one phone. We won't go into broadband sharing or call waiting or three way calling. There are "family plans" with shared minutes if that's the kind of deal you're looking for, but it doesn't sound fair at all to have two different active cellphones and pay for only one.
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Slightly different there, as with your one landline and 4 phones, you might have 4 phones but you can only use one line at a time, thereby only using one line's worth of the company's resources. If you have two cell phones, you can use them simultaneously, using twice the company's resources rather than just enough for one phone. We won't go into broadband sharing or call waiting or three way calling. There are "family plans" with shared minutes if that's the kind of deal you're looking for, but it doesn't sound fair at all to have two different active cellphones and pay for only one.
All the services are accessed through one fixed node, unlike the mobile phones. Hence two bills.