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Offline kolla

Re: Hyperion: "Halloween special double-treat for the Classic AmigaOS"
« Reply #14 from previous page: October 19, 2016, 10:27:36 AM »
Quote from: olsen;815471
The workbench.library/icon.library combo has, in my opinion, hit the wall so hard by now that it's coming out on the other side. The way in which workbench.library and icon.library interact with directory scanning is something I hesitate to call a self-inflicted injury.


One of the many examples of something that would be better to reimplement from scratch - though that would most likely also mean incompatibility with lots of existing "bedroom" software. Likewise, con-handler vs. console.device vs. shell, would be great to have that mess cleaned up.
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Offline kolla

Re: Hyperion: "Halloween special double-treat for the Classic AmigaOS"
« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2016, 10:36:08 AM »
Quote from: Gulliver;815493

Maintainability is of no use if no one maintains it


Exactly, maintainability also means availability.
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Offline kolla

Re: Hyperion: "Halloween special double-treat for the Classic AmigaOS"
« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2016, 07:47:39 PM »
Quote from: wawrzon;815545
of course. romsplit can only disassemble the kickstart it knows. it wont disassemble just any of your custom kickstarts, even though remus can assemble such. im not aware of any other tools to do that, even though an experienced coder could probably extract the modules by hand. your alternative is to take this kickstart as is or to stick to the patched one.

Didn't the page of Hyperion have that information?

EDIT: Ah, it was here :)

Btw - to mentioned something I would have thought was obvious, it would be nice if Remus could also save split data for the kickstarts it builds. Also, it is worth mentioning that there is an alternative to Remus, romtool, written in python - https://github.com/cnvogelg/amitools/tree/master/amitools/rom :)
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Offline kolla

Re: Hyperion: "Halloween special double-treat for the Classic AmigaOS"
« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2016, 07:54:28 AM »
@Cosmos
Sheesh, that is so lame, stop the lunatic conspiracy nonsense. No-one outside the community cares one bit about Amiga, let alone destroying it from the inside. It is just us and there is no money in this.
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Offline kolla

Re: Hyperion: "Halloween special double-treat for the Classic AmigaOS"
« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2016, 02:41:27 PM »
Gulliver was talking about 68k components already existing in OS4, that one can find especially a lot of on the 4.0 for classic release.
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Offline kolla

Re: Hyperion: "Halloween special double-treat for the Classic AmigaOS"
« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2016, 07:24:44 PM »
Quote from: olsen;815602
then lost a lot of time testing the results because my only 68000 machine had failed.


I find this... astonishing :confused:

Between a handful of emulators, FPGA, Minimig and rather cheap systems from ebay...how hard is it to get access to a 68000 system? Don't you at least have people who can run tests for you?
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Offline kolla

Re: Hyperion: "Halloween special double-treat for the Classic AmigaOS"
« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2016, 01:06:42 PM »
Quote
Deactivated "FF" program in Startup-Sequence to prevent problems on 68020/030 processors

FF???
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Offline kolla

Re: Hyperion: "Halloween special double-treat for the Classic AmigaOS"
« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2016, 01:36:27 PM »
I cannot remember having FastFonts, only SYS:System/FixFonts, and certainly never had it in startup-sequence.
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Offline kolla

Re: Hyperion: "Halloween special double-treat for the Classic AmigaOS"
« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2016, 02:39:37 PM »
Oh... this is Workbench 1.3.3, my eyes must have crossed, thought it was 3.1.
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Offline kolla

Re: Hyperion: "Halloween special double-treat for the Classic AmigaOS"
« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2016, 11:31:42 AM »
Quote from: chris;815767
As a side note, I always thought the naming of 3.5 and 3.9 was terrible. Leaves no scope for newer 3.x versions without resorting to increasingly confusing version numbering.


What's wrong with 3.10? And then 3.11 for Workgroups - aka built in Envoy? :)
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Offline kolla

Re: Hyperion: "Halloween special double-treat for the Classic AmigaOS"
« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2016, 12:57:22 PM »
Quote from: olsen;815780
Development of both projects stalled and was never completed in-house. Years later INet-225 and Envoy 2.0 would surface as polished commercial products.


Yes, at some point we were a bunch of students who tried to have the university sponsor us Inet-225, but it wasn't successful :) I did buy Envoy 3.0 eventually, which could use existing TCP-stack, but I recall a lot of hassle because of Envoy using different uid/gid scheme (with "nobody" instead of "root" being uid/gid 0? I don't recall...)
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