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New AmiZilla Website
« on: August 10, 2008, 10:24:01 PM »
A few of you have noticed that a new AmiZilla website was launched recently. The talented artist that created it did a great job. AmiZilla has been a catalyst for change in the Amiga marketplace and an inspiration to all. AmiZilla shocked the Amiga market and even received wide press on Slashdot, Mozilla forums and many other news sites when it was launched in 2003. Many were caught off guard that an Amiga effort could bring in over $10,000 in donations, the Amiga is suppose to dead right?

The Amiga is not dead, the AROS Bounty system, MorphZone Bounties and many other bounty systems were all inspired by AmiZilla and went on to collect thousands of dollars. DiscreetFX did not consider this competition to AmiZilla, in fact we embraced it and put lots of money into AROS Bounties, MorphZone Bounties and many others. The small community that is Amiga proved that it was not giving up and it was willing to pay for quality software to be ported to the Four Headsmen of Amiga.

A paradigm shift occurred in the Amiga market and has been going on ever since. Amiga owners don't mind reaching into their pockets for quality software vs having no software at all. The sad news in all of this is that the dream of AmiZilla has still not been reached. Firefox proved that it is difficult to port and it will take talented programmers time to do it. Progress was made, a CVS was setup, NSPR was ported and other little models of Firefox but the main goal has not been achieved. Talented developers also gave us Sputnik for MorphOS and OWB for Amiga OS 4.0 & 3.9. Their skills are appreciated because the Amiga had no CSS capable browser. The blunt truth of the matter is that programming is hard and developers need to be paid for their time and work. Over $10,000 in bounty collections in the Amiga market is a great achievement but unfortunately it is not enough. Without Firefox running on the Four Headsmen of Amiga we are not taken seriously and miss out on the wealth of plug-ins and respect the web based platform that is Firefox would give us. Even small unknown operating systems like SkyOS have Firefox.

So we have a two new goals for AmiZilla, $15,000 & $20,000. At these higher bounty levels maybe Linux developers will get interested and run an Amiga virtual machine and or even buy an EFIKA running MorphOS 2.0 and or a used system running Amiga OS 4.0. Even a virtual AROS system is free to setup and use on most environments. Maybe an old Amiga developer that feels inspired and loves Firefox will return to Amiga programming to collect the bounty. We don't care how it gets done we just want it completed to help the Amiga marketplace. To help the contest reach a new level we have added another $1000 to the bounty. To reach a goal of $15K & 20K we will also need the help of others that believe in the dream of Firefox for Amiga OS, MorphOS & AROS.

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New AmiZilla Website

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Re: New AmiZilla Website
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2008, 02:29:32 AM »
Congratulations.
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Re: New AmiZilla Website
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2008, 08:26:26 AM »
Nice, i like the site, perhaps it just needs another slashdotting?
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Re: New AmiZilla Website
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2008, 12:18:32 PM »
Quote from FAQ: Amiga One and Pegasos system sales can go thru the roof! I

Now thats just hilarious. One can't even buy neither of them anymore :roll:

Website itself is clean and nice.
 

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Re: New AmiZilla Website
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2008, 01:27:20 PM »
@hooligan

Thanks for pointing this out, obsolete information has been removed.
 

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Re: New AmiZilla Website
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2008, 02:49:31 PM »
Nice site really, but I don't see any updates of the progress so far. :-?
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Re: New AmiZilla Website
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2008, 03:18:05 PM »
This is definitely a much better layout than the old site, which (to me at least) seemed like just a bunch of random links thrown together in a variety of different font sizes. For DiscreetFX this is definitely a much better site. However, there are a few problems with this AmiZilla site, especially if you're trying to attract Linux developers.

First of all, why is this not a completely separate site from DiscreetFX? I know DiscreetFX is the host for the project, but when I click on the "Home" link for example it takes me to DiscreetFX with no clear way of getting back to the AmiZilla site - yet the URL still shows amizilla.net. Seems cheap at best, shady at worst. Why not separate this site completely from the "corporate" site, with the exception of a persistent link on AmiZilla saying something like "Sponsored by DiscreetFX? In fact, why an Amizilla Site/Section at all - why not just Sourceforge?

Which brings up another point - is the AmiZilla project on Sourceforge related to the AmiZilla site in some way? Keep in mind, Sourceforge actually has tools to maintain a project, unlike amizilla.net.

Why does the content section fade away and then fade back in when clicked? Pointless.

The very first paragraph in "Overview" is a huge turn-off. Yes, back in the 1990's, MS was trying to screw Netscape, Netscape became free, AOL bought them, etc. etc. Ancient history, get over it. In fact there seems to be a running anti-MS sentiment throughout this site. Do you want Mozilla ported to the Amiga or do you want to gripe about MS? Why bring MS into the picture at all? MS is mostly considered irrelevant these days. Stuff like this just looks kooky.

The "FAQ" section. Ditch the anti-MS rhetoric, nobody cares, it sounds amatuerish at best, kooky at worst. Focus on the Amiga and why bringing Mozilla to the Amiga would be a good thing.

"Rules". The rules are at odds with the FAQ. In the FAQ it says that the base OS should be 3.9 and above. Yet in the Rules it says 3.1. By the way, how does one get ahold of Amithlon or a DraCo to test? Answer: one does not. How about: Compiles and runs on OS 3.9. At this point you might want to think about taking what you can get.

Overall the site is an improvement, but I don't think this will address the problems that have kept AmiZilla stalled for years. If you think money is the problem it might be time to consider that everyone who would have donated to the project already has donated to the project. Sure, a few might toss in a few more bucks, but it's already at $11K and that hasn't been enough to jump start the project, so it might be time to think about why this isn't moving. In think this statement from the FAQ maybe sums it up:

"AmiZilla can be a catalyst to many great things for Amiga. Most computer users use their machine 80% of the time for web browsing, it is the single most important application to them next to e-mail. You don't need a 3 Ghz Pentium 4 to browse the web!"

Well, "most computer users" don't give a rats ass about the Amiga, in fact they probably have never heard of it - not that it would make a difference at this point. True, you don't *need* a 3Ghz machine to browser the web, but so what? People have been using the web for years without a 3Ghz machine *or* an Amiga, so this doesn't make AmiZilla more relevant for them. And many Amiga users these days aren't browsing the web with an Amiga, either. If you stop looking at the Amiga platform as something that "needs to come back" and look at the reality which is, it's a hobbyist platform, then you might find a way to sell AmiZilla to some developers. But don't be surprised if nobody bites. Sure, the bounty is a nice plus, but it's been sitting there for years, everybody who is likely to take up the cause knows it's out there, clearly the bounty isn't the problem. Personally I think it's a dead project, but if you want a suggestion then identify the components that make up Mozilla and try to attract attention into getting those ported first.
 

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Re: New AmiZilla Website
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2008, 03:40:26 PM »
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but when I click on the "Home" link for example it takes me to DiscreetFX with no clear way of getting back to the AmiZilla site - yet the URL still shows amizilla.net.


Yes this was confusing. I hit HOME aswell and tried to find back to mainpage. HOME-button should point to www.amizilla.net instead of http://www.discreetfx.com/index.html
 

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Re: New AmiZilla Website
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2008, 04:09:40 PM »
great!! i am gonna donate some money :)
 

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Re: New AmiZilla Website
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2008, 05:01:03 PM »
Whoohoo a new website! That's what we need! Hurray!

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Re: New AmiZilla Website
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2008, 05:37:04 PM »
Your right jorkany, anti MS stuff has no place on the AmiZilla contest site. MS has done some serious damage to other software developers and the IT industry over the years but it has nothing to do with porting Firefox to Amiga type systems. References to MS will be removed. Amizilla.net is the site for the contest only, Sourceforge, the mailing list and other places is where the developers get together about the project. The complete link list is on the AmiZilla eGroup for your reference.
 

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Re: New AmiZilla Website
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2008, 06:01:15 PM »
Why would anyone start to work now, just
because the bounty is higher?

10.000 USD has been alot of money all along.

Money is not the problem here. You won't get
Firefox released, just because you raise the
bounty.

And why would anyone donate to what seems to be
a dead and maybe impossible project?
 

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Re: New AmiZilla Website
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2008, 06:20:28 PM »
No one is required to donate ironfist.
 

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Re: New AmiZilla Website
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2008, 06:26:19 PM »
AmiZilla Resources List


Useful links for the AmiZilla project:

Here's some good overviews on the AmigaOS- it's from the AmigaOS4
site, but can be generally applied to AmigaOS3.x, MorphOS and AROS:

http://os4.hyperion-entertainment.biz/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=11&I\
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http://os4.hyperion-entertainment.biz/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=16&I\
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http://os4.hyperion-entertainment.biz/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=18&I\
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AmiZilla homepage: http://amizilla.sourceforge.net (and info on
setting up a dev environment)
Amizilla DiscreetFX Bounty site: http://www.amizilla.net/
AmiZilla Yahoo groups page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amizilla/
Amizilla SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/amizilla

Amiga OS Programmers' site: http://utilitybase.com/
Amiga OS4 Programmers' site: http://amigadev.amigaworld.net/
Reaction Programming forum:
http://amigadev.amigaworld.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewforum&f=7
Reaction simple example: http://thomas-rapp.privat.t-online.de/about.lha

AROS/OS3/OS4/MOS Abstraction Headers and Macros:

http://os4depot.net/share/development/misc/sdi_headers.lha

Examples about how to create a shared library:
AmigaOS3: http://main.aminet.net/dev/c/CLib-SDI.lha
MOS:
http://www.lehtoranta.net/tutorial/library_examples.lha
OS4: Afaik OS4 has its own tool to make easier the
creation of libraries.

IDE: http://amidevcpp.kilu.de/
Cross-Compiling Setup on Windows:

http://www.bruzard.de/download/AmiDevCpp_Setup_v04.exe
Crosscompilers for win&linux: http://www.zerohero.se/cross/index2.html
SDK for AmigaOS3.9:
http://www.zerohero.se/cross/files/ndk-3.9-includes.tar.bz2

Arexx Introduction: http://w3.goodnews.net/~ehoffman/AREXX.txt
Arexx on AmigaOS4:
http://os4.hyperion-entertainment.biz/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=15&I\
temid=0&limit=1&limitstart=2
Arexx on the web:
http://www.amigau.com/c-programming/arexx/arexxlinks.htm
Arexx Tutorials and Code Samples:

http://www.amigau.com/c-programming/arexx/arexxtut.htm
Arexx Tutorial:
http://members.cox.net/midian/tutorials/arexx1.htm

WinUAE Amiga Emulator (requires *legal* ROM image):
http://www.winuae.net/
Amiga Forever (commercial legal Amiga emulation for those without a real amiga
for the ROM):
http://www.amigaforever.com/
LouiSe's hardfile for UAE may be useful too... it has gcc and Geek Gadgets
installed:

http://www.innoidea.hu/subsites/amiga/developer/FILES/HardFiles/gcc111.zip

CVS and OpenSSH:
http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=14035&group_id=1
How to get source with CVS: http://amizilla.sourceforge.net/cvs.html
GREP tutorial:
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/unix/grep.html

GTK home page: http://www.gtk.org
GTK API documentation: http://www.gtk.org/api
GTK Tutorial: http://www.gtk.org/tutorial
GTK/GDK v2.6 source code:
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gtk+/2.6/
GTK/GDK v2.8 source code:
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gtk+/2.8/
GLib v2.8 source code:
http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/GNOME/sources/glib/2.8/

MUI Homepage: http://sasg.com/mui/index.html
MUI API docs: http://sasg.com/mui/autodocs/index.html
MUI Tutorial: http://www.ezcyberspace.com/gcc/

X11 docs: http://www.x.org/X11R6.8.2/doc/manindex3.html

GTK->MUI status:
http://homes.hallertau.net/~oli/amizilla/gtk/status.html
GTK->MUI SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/gtk-mui/
GTK->MUI Screenshots:
http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=141931
GTK->MUI Demo code and compiled exes (68k):

http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/gtk-mui/gtk-mui-examples.lha?download

NSPR documentation: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/nspr/index.html
Porting NSPR to a Unix Platform:
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/nspr/tech-notes/porting-guide.html

For anyone wanting to work on the NSPR projects, you'll need
512mb Ram to compile AmiZilla (at least initially), or access
to a machine with 512mb ram for compiling.

Configuring and Building AmiZilla:
http://amizilla.sourceforge.net/build.html

Mozilla project: http://www.mozilla.org
mozillaZine (Mozilla news): http://Mozillazine.org/
Configuring Build Options:
http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Configuring_Build_Options
Build Instructions:
http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Build_and_Install
Building Mozilla on Linux: http://www.x.org/X11R6.8.2/doc/manindex3.html
Mozilla Coding Style Guide:
http://www.mozilla.org/hacking/mozilla-style-guide.html
Mozilla Hacker's Getting Started Guide:

http://www.mozilla.org/hacking/coding-introduction.html
Mozilla C++ portability guide (very important):

http://www.mozilla.org/hacking/portable-cpp.html
 

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Re: New AmiZilla Website
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2008, 09:58:39 PM »
I still don't get how a reptile can have breasts :-?.