Quake II on a 68060 @ 50Mhz?

[KennyR]

It will run on 060, but you'll be much happier if you have a BVision and can run in 3D hardware accelerated mode. Otherwise, you won't have much fun.

[KennyR]

Why not just play the Linux or Windows version on natively?

Indeed. Q2 isn't very pretty without 3D acceleration, and UAE will never get that, and Q2 on Windows budget label is far cheaper than Amiga Q2, so why bother? Seems silly to me.

[KennyR]

To be able to use Warp3D software on UAE, Hyperion (or anyone else) must release a 68k software renderer... (I know a PPC software renderer already exists)

It's not quite that simple. Even the software renderer is card specific (for example, it doesn't work on my Pegasos). And it even if it was, it would be REAL slow and still would look no better than the built in software renderer of Q2 - in fact, it would probably look worse. It doesn't support fog, antialiasing, coloured lighting, alpha, mipmapping, blending or any of that stuff.

Or we may dream of a Warp3D<->Direct3D wrapper )

I think that previledge is better left in the hands of the people who pay considerable amounts of cash and/or development time for A1 systems. I still don't see why UAE users can't just use Windows equivalents of the software.

[KennyR]

Oh how I wish this would have come out while I still had my 060/66&Vodoo3 equiped A3000.

Fingers crossed for Radeon 3D support in MOS in the next while or so.

[KennyR]

What's wrong with giving your cash to Amiga games developers instead of PC ones?

Well, why not go the whole way and give your cash to Amiga hardware developers instead of PC ones?

[KennyR]

What new hardware that runs AmigaOS is this exactly? AmigaOS for the AmigaOne isn't out yet.

If we can discard the name for a moment (which is just baggage), Pegasos and MorphOS are currently available. And before anyone goes flaming and saying that's not an Amiga, neither is a PC running UAE. And I'll tell you something else - it runs PPC and Warp3D applications, it doesn't cost the earth, and it's a lot faster than UAE on any machine.

[KennyR]

If you discard the cost from the name alone, and application development (warp 3D) it's only natural that as a clone you get it cheaper, but still is away from the real thing...

I think it's better than the real thing. My 200MHz 603e Amiga is too slow, even with 3D acceleration. But, if AInc give me my voucher, I'll be able to get OS4 for my BPPC, and I'll be able to compare MOS and OS4 more objectively. What I can say that is the Pegasos-2 is still more powerful than the A1XE, and so will still be better than the real thing - except that it won't run OS4. How good or bad that'll be, I'm going to enjoy finding out.

[KennyR]

Yes.

[KennyR]

And if we discard the name for a moment, you can also run Amiga software on things such as UAE or Amithlon on an x86 PC.

And if we can get back to the original point, you can't run PPC or Warp3D software on UAE or Amithlon. Quake2 on UAE will not be able to harness either, which is not a small issue, it's a big one. So why not just use the Windows version? If you want to support Hyperion you can get the Windows exe's legally on the net and the CD from Hyperion, as far as I know.

[KennyR]

by HyperionMP on 2003/6/15 20:37:43

Why should they?

As it stands, their current solution already outperforms the competition by a significant margin.

Uh... you must not mean the cheaper and more powerful Pegasos-2 or any PC...so which competition do you mean it outperforms?

[KennyR]

In terms of bugs, there's not doubt AOne outperforms Peg... Unless... the DMA (and all others) bugs have been fixed ?

It outperforms Peg-1, yes, I admit. And not by much, not by very much at all! If a Pegasos-1 was given a G4 CPU card it would no longer do so. As for the forthcoming Peg-2, this is years ahead of the A1XE.

And of course, as far as price is concerned, the A1 is not competitive in the slightest.

[KennyR]

@ KennyR: Why would I invest money in any of the PPC solutions available at the moment when my PC outperforms all of them?

Because there is nothing currently running on a PC that is any substitute for a PPC solution, plain and simple. WinUAE is a slug compared to my Pegasos, and as I have twice said, it lacks support for newer PPC software - the stuff that actually needs all this CPU power you're throwing at it. What else do you use it all for, IBrowse? Clickboom's Quake?

UAE is great for playing old games, and I'll look forward to a GUIfied version with JIT for my Pegasos, but as a replacement for an Amiga for everyday use UAE is both deeply unsatisfying and somewhat unpractical. That's why it's worth buying PPC hardware.

[KennyR]

Don't forget that using a PC is masochistic matched against using a fast Amiga. This is why people use UAE in the first place. I don't use my machine as a toy - I surf, play divx, emulate other systems and play games on it. My PC usually sits switched off, ignored.

[KennyR]

I'm afraid I can't STAND WindowsXP. It's so slow it gives me a headache. And that's not even going into all spyware...

[KennyR]

What the hell are you running it on then?

It's slow to boot up, but it's not slow once you're up and running.

1.3 GHz Athlon. It takes so long to do anything that I've just given up on it. If it wasn't the family's I'd find an iso of Win2000 and install that.

Hibernating the PC is problematic on Windows. Once it wakes, your memory as as fragmented as it was when you shut it off. And Windows just keeps getting slower...and slower...and slower...