Quake II on a 68060 @ 50Mhz?

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How about under WinUAE? Clickboom's Amiga Quake runs like lightning on my 2.5ghz P4  :-)

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>I still don't see why UAE users can't just use Windows equivalents of the software.

What's wrong with giving your cash to Amiga games developers instead of PC ones?

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@ KennyR: Why would I invest money in any of the PPC solutions available at the moment when my PC outperforms all of them?

I use the Video Toaster 2 and LightWave 3D for my work which requires a fast Windows PC - one of the (many) perks being able to run WinUAE/Amiga Forever at stupidly fast speeds.

Using the Amiga emulation is a hobby which I enjoy & I'd love to support Amiga hardware and software developers but buying a PPC system just makes no sense at the moment. I've had several 68k Amigas over the years (500, 500+, 1200, 4000, CD32) but for now, emulation (using a nice collection of excellent Amiga software) suits me just fine.

Once (if) third party development for A1/Pegasos begins in earnest then I'll consider investing in a system, in the meantime I'll continue using my existing Amiga software (Image FX, Brilliance, PPaint etc.) under WinUAE and I'll continue to support Amiga software developers by purchasing products such as Quake II as long as I know they'll run under WinUAE.

Why run old PC games under WinUAE? 'Cause I like the Amiga environment and enjoy every excuse I get to use it  :-)

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I wasn't inferring that Windows-based Amiga emulation is faster than running an Amiga-compatible OS natively on PPC hardware - just that my Amiga 68k software needs are well catered for by Amiga Forever/WinUAE.

As far as PPC software goes, the Amiga development community has shrunk so much that there isn't a single "killer" app left to fight the Amiga's corner (with the possible exception of the ever-capable Image FX which I can continue to use under emulation).

If all I did with my computer was play games, browse the net, send emails and use a word-processor I'd probably still be using an Amiga now but I bought my original A500 for DPaint and the huge potential the Amiga had for graphics work, a potential which is all but gone now and sadly, the time has long since passed since I was able to justify using an Amiga (hardware or emulated) for "everyday use"  :-(

When there's some capable pro or semi-pro level 3D and Video Editing software/hardware with industry-standard compatibility running on A1/Pegasos hardware then maybe I'll take a look but I suspect Linux will get there long before the Amiga does (which I'll probably investigate too).

The only other inroad for me into Amiga PPC hardware would be to purchase an A1/Pegasos box as a dual-boot Linux render node with either Amiga OS 4 or Morph OS - I guess I could always run Mac-on-Linux as well to add a bit more value but really all it would be is a new toy to play with when I'm not working and an expensive toy at that.

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Aw c'mon - I'm using Window XP Pro and it works just fine - yeah it's got M$'s patented "kiddie" colours desktop, yeah it's major bloatware and obviously a native x86 version of Amiga OS would run rings around it but at the end of the day it runs the apps I need to stay in business.

WinXP ain't masochistic, it's just not Amiga OS - hell, I don't even notice Windows anymore - it's not like I DO much with it - all the magic happens in the apps that I use (most of which were once Amiga only - LightWave, Aura (TVPaint), Video Toaster 2, MainActor etc.)

Anyway - I'm not implying that your or anyone else's Amiga is a toy - just that If I bought one right now (which I can't anyway 'cause I need to spend my moolah on more 15k SCSI drives and a heap o' RAM) it would be used as precisely that.

I've waited as long as everyone else here for an Amiga revival and we're not there yet - Nothing would give me more pleasure than picking up a brand new Amiga system but until I have a use for it that's not gonna happen.

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Well I can't disagree with you there - even on a fast Pentium 4 there's all kinds of strange behaviour (staring in disbelief at that little torch trying to find your hard disks is a favourite  :-D ) and if I could run the software I need on an Amiga then that's just what I'd be doing.

But bloat-induced performance issues aside it does everything I need it to and surely that's the point?

I'm working on a series of short films at the moment which I'm hoping to get commercially released and my Dell Dimension 'Toaster 2 setup allows me to capture DV footage, edit uncompressed real-time video with LightWave-generated visual effects, mix audio and output to DVD all from one box AND I can play "The Chaos Engine" on it when I'm bored :-D

If there's a PPC Amiga that can do that then hell, yeah - I'm interested...

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Time PCs do suck... most of the components are junk. The only branded PCs I'll use are Dell - and whilst the build quality is pretty good even they drive me crazy 'cause Dell uses lots of non-standard design practices - Non ATX motherboards, customised Intel chipsets, simplified BIOS etc.

The only good PC is one you build yourself...  :-)